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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by blueblood » Wed May 01, 2019 1:38 pm

yesIplayed:

I largely agree with your comments, but lets not throw all coaches into the STP Money making business.

For some, coaching is their chosen profession, and summer hockey is how they earn their living.
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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by yesiplayedhockey » Wed May 01, 2019 1:41 pm

I agree...They deserve a lot more than they get paid...no doubt about that. But it's still another "must do" that's high priced

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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by hockey59 » Wed May 01, 2019 2:37 pm

yesiplayedhockey wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 10:55 am
Let's be honest....Hockey is ruining hockey..

Yes parents are crazier than crazy today and yes parents moving their kids for the sake of hockey is somewhat silly but remember
Minnesota hockey jamming all this HP stuff on families is part of the problem
High School coaches filling their pockets with money for their summer programs is part of the problem
Advisers over promising 14 year olds are part of the problem
Trainers saying more more more is better is part of the problem
Business people with access to lots of money are part of the problem
Colleges competing for kids are part of the problem
Private schools (and some public schools) taking advantage of MSHL easy transfer rules are part of the problem
$300 sticks are part of the problem
Social media is definitely part of the problem
and yes even Hermantown not going AA is part of the problem :D (had to toss that one in since it's the board topic)

Kids...are not part of the problem. In general, they are typically the one innocent variable is this sport...9 times out of 10 they just want to be kids. They'd rather play 24/7 on their backyard pond than all this "stuff" that gets tossed at them today
9 of 10 prefer to play 24/7 on a backyard pond? Sure, when they are 6-10 year olds. After that, the better ones want to compete against the other better players. That means playing some summer hockey. There is no time machine available to take anyone back the early 1970’s 😉. And yes, hockey is a pretty expensive sport. But it’s also the only sport in MN where a talented, driven kid has as good or better opportunity to some day play professionally...than any other State in the USA☝️🥅 When it comes to numbers...not many MLB, NFL, NBA, PGA or pro tennis players hail from MN. But every birth year...there’s a handful or two of future NHL players. Thats the carrot...and yes, it leads to some crazy behavior on some people’s part. Always has, always will.

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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by Jeffy95 » Thu May 02, 2019 8:31 am

Where is F3? wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 10:34 am
CanAm Hockey wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:59 am
Well said, IRMN. It is sad what high school hockey has become. No pride in one's hometown or dedication to the kids they grew up playing with. Just looking out for #1. So, who is the family/kid moving into Hermantown?
I agree, but lets not put all of the blame here on the kid. The parents of these kids are the most delusional of all. For most, they have a complete false sense of reality. They think they have the "path" figured out for their kid. They believe that wherever they go, it will be greener pastures for their beloved child. When in reality, their kid is a dime a dozen when it comes to hockey players. At the end of the day, they would have the same chance to make the next level in the community they grew up in. If you are good enough to play at the next level, you will get noticed. The path just might be different.


Parents aged 38-55 are the ones who are ruining high school hockey.
I think everyone realizes it's the parents. I highly doubt this kid wants to leave his School, Friends, Community and everything he's grown up with to play one year at Hermantown. This move could negatively affect him for many years to come.

Hermantown has rolled out the red carpet for these types of Parents for 10 years. For every kid that comes in, a Hermantown kid loses his spot. They're perfectly fine with that if it gets them to St. Paul.

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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by Slap Shot » Thu May 02, 2019 10:55 am

The model has not been ruined. Tarnished maybe, slightly different for sure, but far from ruined and even with that it's still the best system in the country.

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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by CanAm Hockey » Fri May 03, 2019 9:39 am

So, what's the answer. What could the MSHSL do to stop this from continuing to happen? Seems pretty rare nowadays to see top teams with all homegrown kids. And to me that is what made MN high school hockey special. It's turning into Midget or Junior hockey where kids can pick and choose where they would like to go to a certain extent.

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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by That guy for that thing » Fri May 03, 2019 10:27 am

CanAm Hockey wrote:
Fri May 03, 2019 9:39 am
So, what's the answer. What could the MSHSL do to stop this from continuing to happen? Seems pretty rare nowadays to see top teams with all homegrown kids. And to me that is what made MN high school hockey special. It's turning into Midget or Junior hockey where kids can pick and choose where they would like to go to a certain extent.
In my opinion, you have to take hockey out of the game, and reduce costs for equipment. With equipment prices soaring, it is becoming a game of money, and the wealthy can afford to pick and choose where they want to play. I am sure there was some sort of moving around back in the '70s-'90s but it seems more prevalent now. Maybe it is just because of social media, and how much we talk about this stuff on here because, without these discussions, I would be fairly out of the loop on what goes down in the cities. Yeah, with Hermantown I would still hear about, but the ability to quickly pass along information to everyone who cares quickly allows for everything to be known.

Between social media hyping up everything for likes and attention, commitments and transfers and what not, people think that it is bigger than it is, or bigger than it has been in past years. Also, if it was cheaper to play, more kids would play at each school/org and then with more players allows for more overall skill, better teams, and maybe, kids staying around.

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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by pekyman » Fri May 03, 2019 2:23 pm

Jeffy95 wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 8:31 am
Where is F3? wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 10:34 am
CanAm Hockey wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:59 am
Well said, IRMN. It is sad what high school hockey has become. No pride in one's hometown or dedication to the kids they grew up playing with. Just looking out for #1. So, who is the family/kid moving into Hermantown?
I agree, but lets not put all of the blame here on the kid. The parents of these kids are the most delusional of all. For most, they have a complete false sense of reality. They think they have the "path" figured out for their kid. They believe that wherever they go, it will be greener pastures for their beloved child. When in reality, their kid is a dime a dozen when it comes to hockey players. At the end of the day, they would have the same chance to make the next level in the community they grew up in. If you are good enough to play at the next level, you will get noticed. The path just might be different.


Parents aged 38-55 are the ones who are ruining high school hockey.
I think everyone realizes it's the parents. I highly doubt this kid wants to leave his School, Friends, Community and everything he's grown up with to play one year at Hermantown. This move could negatively affect him for many years to come.

Hermantown has rolled out the red carpet for these types of Parents for 10 years. For every kid that comes in, a Hermantown kid loses his spot. They're perfectly fine with that if it gets them to St. Paul.
You just keep spewing your anti-Hermantown BS. BP was just the opposite of rolling out the red carpet. Prefect example was when a Cloquet star wanted to come play for Hermantown a few years ago and BP encourage to stay back and play for his community. Player chose to leave MN Hockey for Juniors instead. You wanna play for Hermantown buy a house in the community and try out for the team. Nobody can stop that and its hardly a red carpet. Open enrollment is full so that's about your only option. Players move there because they want to not because Hermantown is begging them to come like I assume your program needs to do. Get a life.

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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by Dog » Fri May 03, 2019 8:19 pm

Pekyman, there it is...
Why would you assume his program is begging kids to come? (Because everyone else's programs suck?). I don't believe Jeffy has ever stated which program that he's from but I'm thinking it's East (?). East has hardly "begged" kids to come but they do have kids come in. The difference? They're AA. That is a stark difference of kids going from A to AA schools (vs A to A) no matter how you "feel" about it. A kid going to a program to have an opportunity to play a AA schedule is different than a program sucking A players into it from surrounding A programs just to chase a trophy.

I found it really ironic that you gripe about STA/private schools consistently but rooted for STA when they played East at state this year. Why would you possibly do that?? Is it because you feel your program is better? (If you played AA, you would have the chance to prove it).

STA has a significant amount of kids that come from within a 10-15 minute drive from the school (West St Paul, Lilydale, Highland Park, Eagan, Mendota Heights). If you look at their first 3 lines they have about as many kids who live as close to the school as HT does. The difference? St Thomas parents PAY about $26k a year,... and HT RECIEVES $9k per student from the state per open enrollee (Paying for school.... vs FREE). Other than that, not really a difference.
Dear Leader Bruce complained about a goalie at ST from Wisconsin rabidly (see current "HT" sophomore from.... Hayward. Difference? Nothing).

One reason open enrollment is full in HT? Because they had ads on TV advertising their open enrollment a few years ago. If you're not pushing for it, why pay for a TV ad for it? If your goal is to not have open enrollment, why build a school where the budget calls for 15%+ open enrollment to help pay for it? That is right from the HT school budget.

Haven't rolled out the red carpet? PUHLEASE! Pierce was brought in for a private meeting with the coaches. Plus he skated with players at the HT rink before he decided on HT so he would feel comfortable. And he was told he could play varsity until there was an uproar over it...so he had to play bantams). I know, everyone who comes to HT does it organically and it's perfectly natural...When kids go to that disgusting AA school, East, or Marshall or ST it obviously is sinister.

In the latest HT open enrollment case it probably also doesn't hurt that you have an established HT YH board member who's close to this family advocating for the move. And tell us again how with this latest transfer fits into the narrative of moving to the area for a job and just naturally picking HT and NOT moving there just for hockey... (when you still work on the range and will now commute over 2.5 hours each day). That's a better life move for your family that wasn't based just on hockey? Especially when you're a teacher (who makes so much $ that he can easily afford the extra cost?).

And BP definitively and definitely had a history of talking to kids about coming to HT. The reason he encouraged the Cloquet kid to stay? Because he got busted and had to back track. Just because your Dear Leader said something, it doesn't mean that it's true: See "Homegrown", "can't compete with AA teams", "don't play a AA schedule" (17 of your 25 games this year vs "weak" AA teams like Minnetonka and Eden Prairie), "Not 4 lines deep" (no one is a true 4 lines deep, not even Edina).

Pekyman, you and your ilk are true Hawk Davidian cult members. You repeat the same phrases over and over that it's obvious you actually do believe it now. So one could feel pity for you.... except for you and Bigfoot being so condescending towards all those other sucky programs that are clearly negligent.

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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by Corn Cobb » Fri May 03, 2019 9:03 pm

Dog wrote:
Fri May 03, 2019 8:19 pm
Pekyman, there it is...
Why would you assume his program is begging kids to come? (Because everyone else's programs suck?). I don't believe Jeffy has ever stated which program that he's from but I'm thinking it's East (?). East has hardly "begged" kids to come but they do have kids come in. The difference? They're AA. That is a stark difference of kids going from A to AA schools (vs A to A) no matter how you "feel" about it. A kid going to a program to have an opportunity to play a AA schedule is different than a program sucking A players into it from surrounding A programs just to chase a trophy.

I found it really ironic that you gripe about STA/private schools consistently but rooted for STA when they played East at state this year. Why would you possibly do that?? Is it because you feel your program is better? (If you played AA, you would have the chance to prove it).

STA has a significant amount of kids that come from within a 10-15 minute drive from the school (West St Paul, Lilydale, Highland Park, Eagan, Mendota Heights). If you look at their first 3 lines they have about as many kids who live as close to the school as HT does. The difference? St Thomas parents PAY about $26k a year,... and HT RECIEVES $9k per student from the state per open enrollee (Paying for school.... vs FREE). Other than that, not really a difference.
Dear Leader Bruce complained about a goalie at ST from Wisconsin rabidly (see current "HT" sophomore from.... Hayward. Difference? Nothing).

One reason open enrollment is full in HT? Because they had ads on TV advertising their open enrollment a few years ago. If you're not pushing for it, why pay for a TV ad for it? If your goal is to not have open enrollment, why build a school where the budget calls for 15%+ open enrollment to help pay for it? That is right from the HT school budget.

Haven't rolled out the red carpet? PUHLEASE! Pierce was brought in for a private meeting with the coaches. Plus he skated with players at the HT rink before he decided on HT so he would feel comfortable. And he was told he could play varsity until there was an uproar over it...so he had to play bantams). I know, everyone who comes to HT does it organically and it's perfectly natural...When kids go to that disgusting AA school, East, or Marshall or ST it obviously is sinister.

In the latest HT open enrollment case it probably also doesn't hurt that you have an established HT YH board member who's close to this family advocating for the move. And tell us again how with this latest transfer fits into the narrative of moving to the area for a job and just naturally picking HT and NOT moving there just for hockey... (when you still work on the range and will now commute over 2.5 hours each day). That's a better life move for your family that wasn't based just on hockey? Especially when you're a teacher (who makes so much $ that he can easily afford the extra cost?).

And BP definitively and definitely had a history of talking to kids about coming to HT. The reason he encouraged the Cloquet kid to stay? Because he got busted and had to back track. Just because your Dear Leader said something, it doesn't mean that it's true: See "Homegrown", "can't compete with AA teams", "don't play a AA schedule" (17 of your 25 games this year vs "weak" AA teams like Minnetonka and Eden Prairie), "Not 4 lines deep" (no one is a true 4 lines deep, not even Edina).

Pekyman, you and your ilk are true Hawk Davidian cult members. You repeat the same phrases over and over that it's obvious you actually do believe it now. So one could feel pity for you.... except for you and Bigfoot being so condescending towards all those other sucky programs that are clearly negligent.
Well said!

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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by hockey59 » Fri May 03, 2019 11:54 pm

I see Blake Biondi didn’t participate in the HP 17’s this Spring...another sign pointing (to him) joining the NTDP U18 team next season =D>

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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by Jeffy95 » Sat May 04, 2019 5:47 pm

hockey59 wrote:
Fri May 03, 2019 11:54 pm
I see Blake Biondi didn’t participate in the HP 17’s this Spring...another sign pointing (to him) joining the NTDP U18 team next season =D>
It will be interesting to see what he does now that they stayed down in A. Pierce and Pionk have options as well.

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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by Pertyboy » Sat May 04, 2019 9:54 pm

You know it all's crack me up. Lets set the record straight. First off I hate to break the news to the haters. Fact Biondi and Pierce will be back next year. So quit talking about it or hoping they leave. Second, nobody at Hermantown wants the Virginia kid (who is going to Hermantown next year, locked in) to come to Hermantown.Stay at Virginia and play with your friends.Anybody that says he is being recruited is a Liar, flat out. The Cloquet goalie is a rumor and will not happen. He is stuck behind 2 other goalies at Cloquet and wont play varsity till he is a senior. Once again stay where you are. Staight out of the Virginia kids mouth, he wants to get noticed. So he is coming to Hermantown.Nothing Hermantown can do if a kid moves to the district (other than cut him). I thought Virgnia was up and coming, crap like this only hurts everybody. Its not up to a program or the programs fault that kids defect to them. The problem is the program they are leaving needs to get these kids to stay.

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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by kniven » Sat May 04, 2019 10:49 pm

Pertyboy wrote:
Sat May 04, 2019 9:54 pm
You know it all's crack me up. Lets set the record straight. First off I hate to break the news to the haters. Fact Biondi and Pierce will be back next year. So quit talking about it or hoping they leave. Second, nobody at Hermantown wants the Virginia kid (who is going to Hermantown next year, locked in) to come to Hermantown.Stay at Virginia and play with your friends.Anybody that says he is being recruited is a Liar, flat out. The Cloquet goalie is a rumor and will not happen. He is stuck behind 2 other goalies at Cloquet and wont play varsity till he is a senior. Once again stay where you are. Staight out of the Virginia kids mouth, he wants to get noticed. So he is coming to Hermantown.Nothing Hermantown can do if a kid moves to the district (other than cut him). I thought Virgnia was up and coming, crap like this only hurts everybody. Its not up to a program or the programs fault that kids defect to them. The problem is the program they are leaving needs to get these kids to stay.
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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by rainier2 » Sat May 04, 2019 11:06 pm

Pertyboy wrote:
Sat May 04, 2019 9:54 pm
You know it all's crack me up. Lets set the record straight. First off I hate to break the news to the haters. Fact Biondi and Pierce will be back next year. So quit talking about it or hoping they leave. Second, nobody at Hermantown wants the Virginia kid (who is going to Hermantown next year, locked in) to come to Hermantown.Stay at Virginia and play with your friends.Anybody that says he is being recruited is a Liar, flat out. The Cloquet goalie is a rumor and will not happen. He is stuck behind 2 other goalies at Cloquet and wont play varsity till he is a senior. Once again stay where you are. Staight out of the Virginia kids mouth, he wants to get noticed. So he is coming to Hermantown.Nothing Hermantown can do if a kid moves to the district (other than cut him). I thought Virgnia was up and coming, crap like this only hurts everybody. Its not up to a program or the programs fault that kids defect to them. The problem is the program they are leaving needs to get these kids to stay.
Agreed, it's not the program's fault kids defect there. It's the AD's and parents' fault. By choosing to continue to sandbag in Class A, they have created a big shiny carrot that parents who are starving for attention cannot resist. Send your kid to Hermanton, then let the Facebook bragging begin. Bigfoot had a flaming case of this loud mouth front-running...until he found out no one on the forum cared.

The sandbagging has created the myth that Hermantown has some magical program that can turn players into highly recruited stars in short order, even though the kids that transfer there just happen to already be excellent.

If you're claim is true, its sad to see a senior abandon his team to get "noticed". To me, these late transfers are just obviously gravy-training their way to state. If it was really about development and getting noticed, they'd transfer to East for a top-rate AA schedule and the otherworldly coaching of Randolph. But East is no guarantee of getting to state or winning state, unlike Hermantown, where anything less than the A title game is a crushing disappointment.

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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by hockey59 » Sun May 05, 2019 2:20 am

Pertyboy wrote:
Sat May 04, 2019 9:54 pm
You know it all's crack me up. Lets set the record straight. First off I hate to break the news to the haters. Fact Biondi and Pierce will be back next year. So quit talking about it or hoping they leave. Second, nobody at Hermantown wants the Virginia kid (who is going to Hermantown next year, locked in) to come to Hermantown.Stay at Virginia and play with your friends.Anybody that says he is being recruited is a Liar, flat out. The Cloquet goalie is a rumor and will not happen. He is stuck behind 2 other goalies at Cloquet and wont play varsity till he is a senior. Once again stay where you are. Staight out of the Virginia kids mouth, he wants to get noticed. So he is coming to Hermantown.Nothing Hermantown can do if a kid moves to the district (other than cut him). I thought Virgnia was up and coming, crap like this only hurts everybody. Its not up to a program or the programs fault that kids defect to them. The problem is the program they are leaving needs to get these kids to stay.
When he joins the NTDP U18 team...just remember I told you so ☝️I’ve heard it from multiple reliable sources.

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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by Dog » Sun May 05, 2019 8:48 pm

Pertyboy wrote:
Sat May 04, 2019 9:54 pm
You know it all's crack me up. Lets set the record straight. First off I hate to break the news to the haters. Fact Biondi and Pierce will be back next year. So quit talking about it or hoping they leave. Second, nobody at Hermantown wants the Virginia kid (who is going to Hermantown next year, locked in) to come to Hermantown.Stay at Virginia and play with your friends.Anybody that says he is being recruited is a Liar, flat out. The Cloquet goalie is a rumor and will not happen. He is stuck behind 2 other goalies at Cloquet and wont play varsity till he is a senior. Once again stay where you are. Staight out of the Virginia kids mouth, he wants to get noticed. So he is coming to Hermantown.Nothing Hermantown can do if a kid moves to the district (other than cut him). I thought Virgnia was up and coming, crap like this only hurts everybody. Its not up to a program or the programs fault that kids defect to them. The problem is the program they are leaving needs to get these kids to stay.
You know what cracks me up? That you know so much detail about a supposed fictitious "rumored" goalie from Cloquet...

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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by IRMN » Mon May 06, 2019 10:49 am

It blows my mind that kids consider jumping ship especially "to get noticed." Kilen is going to Hermantown. He was voted team captain in Virginia for the upcoming season. Easily a first line player/PP/PK player in Virginia. He'll go to Hermantown and play. I don't know where he will fit in the line up but he is a skilled player. I just hate that kids say they need to leave to get noticed. If you are a good player, you will get noticed anywhere. Especially from a respectable program like Virginia, who, although has some rebuilding to do....always remains competitive in one of the best sections in class A. Their former HS coach who built the program is also an NHL scout....you can't tell me he doesn't check out his former program from time to time to see what is coming. Point is, I hate seeing kids leave their hometown to play elsewhere when you have a shot to make it where you're from. As I said in an earlier post....jumping aboard another program for a "free ride" to state doesn't make playing in that tournament special....doing it with kids you grew up playing with and developed together with is what makes it special. I know there is no fix for this. Open enrollment is what it is. It starts at home...

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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by spamtownusa » Mon May 06, 2019 6:53 pm

Agree with everything you said... except the open enrollment comment. They’d be moving... right? Open enrollment has nothing to do with this one.

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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by IRMN » Tue May 07, 2019 7:52 am

You're right. They are moving for this one.

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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by Jeffy95 » Tue May 07, 2019 8:20 am

spamtownusa wrote:
Mon May 06, 2019 6:53 pm
Agree with everything you said... except the open enrollment comment. They’d be moving... right? Open enrollment has nothing to do with this one.
Once you start 9th Grade, you have to move in order to be eligible the first year. The vast majority of the transfers to Hermantown open-enroll by 9th grade. It's much easier. You don't have to sell your house and move and they send buses to all of the surrounding Districts to pick you up. No commitment from the family necessary at all. Just send in the papers. Their Student Body is 20-25% open-enrolled kids in any given year. Millions of Dollars in Per-Pupil State Aid.

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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by Puck1234! » Tue May 07, 2019 9:55 am

rainier2 wrote:
Sat May 04, 2019 11:06 pm
Pertyboy wrote:
Sat May 04, 2019 9:54 pm
You know it all's crack me up. Lets set the record straight. First off I hate to break the news to the haters. Fact Biondi and Pierce will be back next year. So quit talking about it or hoping they leave. Second, nobody at Hermantown wants the Virginia kid (who is going to Hermantown next year, locked in) to come to Hermantown.Stay at Virginia and play with your friends.Anybody that says he is being recruited is a Liar, flat out. The Cloquet goalie is a rumor and will not happen. He is stuck behind 2 other goalies at Cloquet and wont play varsity till he is a senior. Once again stay where you are. Staight out of the Virginia kids mouth, he wants to get noticed. So he is coming to Hermantown.Nothing Hermantown can do if a kid moves to the district (other than cut him). I thought Virgnia was up and coming, crap like this only hurts everybody. Its not up to a program or the programs fault that kids defect to them. The problem is the program they are leaving needs to get these kids to stay.
first of all, who wouldn’t want a skilled player who has the dedication to put in the work? This kid has moved up with the seniors this year his whole life and if you did any research you would have saw there are 16 seniors on that team. So leaving his friends isn’t an issue because he never played with the 4 hockey players in his grade or any of the sophomores. And maybe it’s not about getting noticed because he has been noticed, he’s looking for a group of kids who put in the work and care just as much as he does because that won’t happen at Virginia. Yes, they have a good coach and are down but why make a kid who has no experience playing with the kids he will next year have to stay because he isn’t “dedicated to his hometown” and for calling out the parents, wow yea it’s their fault they Don’t want their kid to stay in a small town on a maybe 50/50 team next year. The kid led his team in points as a junior and your going to say nobody wants him? You must have a lot of hockey intelligence :D

Agreed, it's not the program's fault kids defect there. It's the AD's and parents' fault. By choosing to continue to sandbag in Class A, they have created a big shiny carrot that parents who are starving for attention cannot resist. Send your kid to Hermanton, then let the Facebook bragging begin. Bigfoot had a flaming case of this loud mouth front-running...until he found out no one on the forum cared.

The sandbagging has created the myth that Hermantown has some magical program that can turn players into highly recruited stars in short order, even though the kids that transfer there just happen to already be excellent.

If you're claim is true, its sad to see a senior abandon his team to get "noticed". To me, these late transfers are just obviously gravy-training their way to state. If it was really about development and getting noticed, they'd transfer to East for a top-rate AA schedule and the otherworldly coaching of Randolph. But East is no guarantee of getting to state or winning state, unlike Hermantown, where anything less than the A title game is a crushing disappointment.

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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by rainier2 » Tue May 07, 2019 11:41 am

Puck1234! wrote:
Tue May 07, 2019 9:55 am
rainier2 wrote:
Sat May 04, 2019 11:06 pm
Pertyboy wrote:
Sat May 04, 2019 9:54 pm
You know it all's crack me up. Lets set the record straight. First off I hate to break the news to the haters. Fact Biondi and Pierce will be back next year. So quit talking about it or hoping they leave. Second, nobody at Hermantown wants the Virginia kid (who is going to Hermantown next year, locked in) to come to Hermantown.Stay at Virginia and play with your friends.Anybody that says he is being recruited is a Liar, flat out. The Cloquet goalie is a rumor and will not happen. He is stuck behind 2 other goalies at Cloquet and wont play varsity till he is a senior. Once again stay where you are. Staight out of the Virginia kids mouth, he wants to get noticed. So he is coming to Hermantown.Nothing Hermantown can do if a kid moves to the district (other than cut him). I thought Virgnia was up and coming, crap like this only hurts everybody. Its not up to a program or the programs fault that kids defect to them. The problem is the program they are leaving needs to get these kids to stay.
first of all, who wouldn’t want a skilled player who has the dedication to put in the work? This kid has moved up with the seniors this year his whole life and if you did any research you would have saw there are 16 seniors on that team. So leaving his friends isn’t an issue because he never played with the 4 hockey players in his grade or any of the sophomores. And maybe it’s not about getting noticed because he has been noticed, he’s looking for a group of kids who put in the work and care just as much as he does because that won’t happen at Virginia. Yes, they have a good coach and are down but why make a kid who has no experience playing with the kids he will next year have to stay because he isn’t “dedicated to his hometown” and for calling out the parents, wow yea it’s their fault they Don’t want their kid to stay in a small town on a maybe 50/50 team next year. The kid led his team in points as a junior and your going to say nobody wants him? You must have a lot of hockey intelligence :D

Agreed, it's not the program's fault kids defect there. It's the AD's and parents' fault. By choosing to continue to sandbag in Class A, they have created a big shiny carrot that parents who are starving for attention cannot resist. Send your kid to Hermanton, then let the Facebook bragging begin. Bigfoot had a flaming case of this loud mouth front-running...until he found out no one on the forum cared.

The sandbagging has created the myth that Hermantown has some magical program that can turn players into highly recruited stars in short order, even though the kids that transfer there just happen to already be excellent.

If you're claim is true, its sad to see a senior abandon his team to get "noticed". To me, these late transfers are just obviously gravy-training their way to state. If it was really about development and getting noticed, they'd transfer to East for a top-rate AA schedule and the otherworldly coaching of Randolph. But East is no guarantee of getting to state or winning state, unlike Hermantown, where anything less than the A title game is a crushing disappointment.
Yikes! Your defense of transferring your kid to Hermantown for anything other than bald-faced trophy-chasing is as weak as your forum posting skills, so I bolded your post so no will think that I am capable of such desperately deluded rationalization.

Why not move him earlier than his senior year? Last year's Virginia team was hard-working, but now they're a bunch of slackers? Could it be that last year's team, going into the season, was looked at as a potential top ten team that had a shot to be as good as Greenway? And that this year's team, even with your kid, is unlikely to crack the top 4 in 7A?

Rapids is closer to Virginia than Hermantown. They have a lot of hardworking players. Why not go there? East has plenty of hard-working players and as challenging of a schedule as you'll find, along with a legendary coach. That's only a few minutes further than Hermantown, and you can find a house in Lakeside for half of what one would cost in Hermantown. Or why not just send him to juniors? All the players there are trying to make it to the next level, so hard work and dedication is guaranteed. Why did you settle for little Class A Hermantown?

My guess is that the reason you didn't choose any of these other routes is because they don't represent a guaranteed ticket to state like Hermantown does. Just think of all the great social media posts you'll be able to make as your Hawks steamroll other A teams. Just think of the mic-drop responses you'll be able to fire back at the Virginia fans who call you a traitor. You can already feel the rush of a 23-2 regular season and beating your three 7A playoff opponents by a combined score of 22-1, even if you're kid doesn't play on the top line or the pp.

Congrats. =D>

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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by elliott70 » Tue May 07, 2019 11:51 am

rainier2 wrote:
Tue May 07, 2019 11:41 am
Puck1234! wrote:
Tue May 07, 2019 9:55 am
rainier2 wrote:
Sat May 04, 2019 11:06 pm
first of all, who wouldn’t want a skilled player who has the dedication to put in the work? This kid has moved up with the seniors this year his whole life and if you did any research you would have saw there are 16 seniors on that team. So leaving his friends isn’t an issue because he never played with the 4 hockey players in his grade or any of the sophomores. And maybe it’s not about getting noticed because he has been noticed, he’s looking for a group of kids who put in the work and care just as much as he does because that won’t happen at Virginia. Yes, they have a good coach and are down but why make a kid who has no experience playing with the kids he will next year have to stay because he isn’t “dedicated to his hometown” and for calling out the parents, wow yea it’s their fault they Don’t want their kid to stay in a small town on a maybe 50/50 team next year. The kid led his team in points as a junior and your going to say nobody wants him? You must have a lot of hockey intelligence :D

Agreed, it's not the program's fault kids defect there. It's the AD's and parents' fault. By choosing to continue to sandbag in Class A, they have created a big shiny carrot that parents who are starving for attention cannot resist. Send your kid to Hermanton, then let the Facebook bragging begin. Bigfoot had a flaming case of this loud mouth front-running...until he found out no one on the forum cared.

The sandbagging has created the myth that Hermantown has some magical program that can turn players into highly recruited stars in short order, even though the kids that transfer there just happen to already be excellent.

If you're claim is true, its sad to see a senior abandon his team to get "noticed". To me, these late transfers are just obviously gravy-training their way to state. If it was really about development and getting noticed, they'd transfer to East for a top-rate AA schedule and the otherworldly coaching of Randolph. But East is no guarantee of getting to state or winning state, unlike Hermantown, where anything less than the A title game is a crushing disappointment.
Yikes! Your defense of transferring your kid to Hermantown for anything other than bald-faced trophy-chasing is as weak as your forum posting skills, so I bolded your post so no will think that I am capable of such desperately deluded rationalization.

Why not move him earlier than his senior year? Last year's Virginia team was hard-working, but now they're a bunch of slackers? Could it be that last year's team, going into the season, was looked at as a potential top ten team that had a shot to be as good as Greenway? And that this year's team, even with your kid, is unlikely to crack the top 4 in 7A?

Rapids is closer to Virginia than Hermantown. They have a lot of hardworking players. Why not go there? East has plenty of hard-working players and as challenging of a schedule as you'll find, along with a legendary coach. That's only a few minutes further than Hermantown, and you can find a house in Lakeside for half of what one would cost in Hermantown. Or why not just send him to juniors? All the players there are trying to make it to the next level, so hard work and dedication is guaranteed. Why did you settle for little Class A Hermantown?

My guess is that the reason you didn't choose any of these other routes is because they don't represent a guaranteed ticket to state like Hermantown does. Just think of all the great social media posts you'll be able to make as your Hawks steamroll other A teams. Just think of the mic-drop responses you'll be able to fire back at the Virginia fans who call you a traitor. You can already feel the rush of a 23-2 regular season and beating your three 7A playoff opponents by a combined score of 22-1, even if you're kid doesn't play on the top line or the pp.

Congrats. =D>
2 miles???
Hermantown rink to Virginia rink and same for grand rapids - Hermantown would be closer.
The distance argument is irrelevant.

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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by Puck1234! » Tue May 07, 2019 1:03 pm

elliott70 wrote:
Tue May 07, 2019 11:51 am
rainier2 wrote:
Tue May 07, 2019 11:41 am
Puck1234! wrote:
Tue May 07, 2019 9:55 am
Yikes! Your defense of transferring your kid to Hermantown for anything other than bald-faced trophy-chasing is as weak as your forum posting skills, so I bolded your post so no will think that I am capable of such desperately deluded rationalization.

Why not move him earlier than his senior year? Last year's Virginia team was hard-working, but now they're a bunch of slackers? Could it be that last year's team, going into the season, was looked at as a potential top ten team that had a shot to be as good as Greenway? And that this year's team, even with your kid, is unlikely to crack the top 4 in 7A?

Rapids is closer to Virginia than Hermantown. They have a lot of hardworking players. Why not go there? East has plenty of hard-working players and as challenging of a schedule as you'll find, along with a legendary coach. That's only a few minutes further than Hermantown, and you can find a house in Lakeside for half of what one would cost in Hermantown. Or why not just send him to juniors? All the players there are trying to make it to the next level, so hard work and dedication is guaranteed. Why did you settle for little Class A Hermantown?

My guess is that the reason you didn't choose any of these other routes is because they don't represent a guaranteed ticket to state like Hermantown does. Just think of all the great social media posts you'll be able to make as your Hawks steamroll other A teams. Just think of the mic-drop responses you'll be able to fire back at the Virginia fans who call you a traitor. You can already feel the rush of a 23-2 regular season and beating your three 7A playoff opponents by a combined score of 22-1, even if you're kid doesn't play on the top line or the pp.

Congrats. =D>
buddy, I’m his friend not a parent. Just sick of seeing negative stuff about a good player

2 miles???
Hermantown rink to Virginia rink and same for grand rapids - Hermantown would be closer.
The distance argument is irrelevant.

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