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Racki



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:40 am    Post subject: Central Scouting High School Watch List Reply with quote

‘A’ Players to Watch

None

‘B’ Players to Watch

Eric Baskin Minnetonka RW 6’3/215
Jake Bischoff Grand Rapids D 5’11/178
Teddy Blueger ## Shattuck C 6’0/171
Cody Corbett Stillwater D 6’0/210
John Draeger Shattuck D 6’2/186
Hunter Fejes ## Shattuck LW 6’1/190
Adam Johnson Hibbing HS LW 5’10/150
Justin Kloos Lakeville South C 5’9/177
Will Merchant Eagan LW 6’1/172
Louie Nanne Edina LW 5’10/162
Charlie Sampair Hill-Murray C 6’0/180
Zach Stepan Shattuck C 6’0/166
## Player is not a native of Minnesota

‘C’ Players to Watch

Grant Besse Benilde-St. Margaret’s RW 5’9/170
Jay Dickman ** St. Paul Johnson C 6’5/240
Eli May Eagan D 6’1/190
Jake Montgomery Shattuck LW 6’1/191
Trevor Olson Duluth East RW 6’1/180
Grant Opperman Breck RW 6’0/180
Jordan Stejskal Grand Rapids D 6’0/185
Dom Toninato Duluth East C 6’1/165
Blake Winiecki Lakeville North C 6’1/185
Sam Wolfe Eagan D 6’1/180
** Player was eligible for the 2011 NHL Draft

‘A’ Goalies to Watch

none

‘B’ Goalies to Watch

Zack Thompson Duluth Denfeld G 6’0/170

‘C’ Goalies to Watch

Michael Bitzer Moorhead G 5’11/205
Blake Cates Stillwater G 6’1/206
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mulefarm



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow! Not a first round draft pick last year and now not an A player. What is happening to our development of elite players? Maybe it's time for top end talent to use other options than high school?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the HS watch list, does not include those that left for juniors or Ann Arbor. Not sure but believe Skjie and Michealson were "A" players at one point. Does look to be a down year though.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are there any restrictions or rules regarding players who were eligible for the previous year's draft? Is it uncommon for a player, preferably out of MN High School, to get drafted a year later than their draft year?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Star, it is uncommon.

Some players who went undrafted during their first go:
* Marshall Everson
* Luke Curadi
* Brian Ferlin
* Anders Lee

I know Ferlin got drafted the next year, but I can't recall what happened with the others. Obviously there are many more examples.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There seems to be more than one list. This is from the NHL Website.

HIGH-MN
B LIST
Michael Bitzer G Moorhead 5-10 1/2 195
Theodor Blueger C Shattuck- St. Mary's 6 176
Blake Cates G Stillwater 6-1 220
Cody Corbett D Stillwater 6-1 205
Hunter Fejes C Shattuck- St. Mary's 5-11 171
Kenneth Gillespie RW Shattuck- St. Mary's 5-10 1/4 195
Adam Johnson LW Hibbings High School 5-10 150
Charlie Lindgren G Lakeville North 5-11 3/4 152
Will Merchant LW Eagan 6 174
A.J. Michaelson C Apple Valley 6 182
Ryan Schawalbe C/RW Shattuck- St. Mary's 5-10 181
Zach Stepan C Shattuck- St. Mary's 5-11 160
C LIST
John Draeger D Shattuck- St. Mary's 6 1/2 175
Noah Henry D Shattuck- St. Mary's 5-11 179
Trevor Olson RW Duluth East 6-1 185
Nate Repensky D Duluth East 5-9 173
Dom Toninato C Duluth East 6 163
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xy



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The list in the first post is more recent - it was released in October. The other list is a few months old; you can tell because it still lists Michaelson as playing for Apple Valley.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahh, yes, I found the new ones, there are two.
this is the one for OHL, QMJHL, WHL, USHL

http://www.nutmeghockey.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/NHLCS-Watch-Tracker_2011-10-13.pdf (I would have seperated it out, but I don't know all the MN kids.)

And this is the other one including MN High School

http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=74397
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mulefarm wrote:
Wow! Not a first round draft pick last year and now not an A player. What is happening to our development of elite players? Maybe it's time for top end talent to use other options than high school?


You are dumb.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oldtimehockeyguy23 wrote:
mulefarm wrote:
Wow! Not a first round draft pick last year and now not an A player. What is happening to our development of elite players? Maybe it's time for top end talent to use other options than high school?


You are dumb.

Thank you for the intelligient answer. Glad you like how things are going.
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longdistancespectator8



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think keepyourheadup is right.
With skeij and Michaelson being potential 'A' players both playing in the ushl now those are two players that could have been 'A' players even playing four years of HS, especially Skeij.

In addition this is a year where your best players are not prototypical NHL prospects:
Kloos: arguably the best player in the state is only 5' 9". He isn't pierre-marc bouchard or patrick kane but he is a very good high school player who will likely lead the state in scoring again and win Mr. Hockey.
Adam Johnson is only 5'10" again not a very NHL sized forward.
Grant Besse and even Stepan at 6' are short forwards.

You do have the big guys like Baskin, but they aren't up to par with the likes of Bjugstad.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ve heard the kid from Johnson has a huge upside....
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mulefarm wrote:
Wow! Not a first round draft pick last year and now not an A player. What is happening to our development of elite players? Maybe it's time for top end talent to use other options than high school?


I wouldn't make too much of the fact that there were no "A" rated players from Minnesota. If you look at the entire watch list, there was only one "A" rated player - A highschooler from CT.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neuuman wrote:
If you look at the entire watch list, there was only one "A" rated player - A highschooler from CT.


Tough curve! Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why isn't Minnesota producing 5-6 A players a year? The ones we have are leaving to enhance their development, that should tell us we have to offer more. I don't think the HS league really cares as long as the hockey tournament fills their coffers. With more and more options for players, HS hockey will continue to regress.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would be interesting to know the development path of the only American born A ranked player from Connecticut. Obviously a strong player but beyond genetics what did he do to make that list. Or, is playing in one of the top 3 Leagues in Canada (OHL, QMJHL, WHL) one of the not mentioned prerequisites? Are the USHL and NTDP players ranked below because the League is not considered equal? Or, a Canadian generated list?

Cristoval ‘Boo’ Nieves (1-23-94) Committed to Michigan
Kent School, CT (HS), current
Syracuse Junior Nationals AAA U16, previous
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mulefarm wrote:
Why isn't Minnesota producing 5-6 A players a year? The ones we have are leaving to enhance their development, that should tell us we have to offer more. I don't think the HS league really cares as long as the hockey tournament fills their coffers. With more and more options for players, HS hockey will continue to regress.


Mule, I'm not sure I follow. Every kid in Canada that ends up being an "A" rated prospect leaves.

Where are you comparing Minnesota to? Sweden, Russia, Slovenia, Ontario, California? Kids leave everywhere.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

observer wrote:
It would be interesting to know the development path of the only American born A ranked player from Connecticut.


I think he's from Syracuse.

There will be (or are if the list has been published publicly) many American-born "A" players in the USHL and Canadian Major Junior. That's where the NTDP kids will show.

Year in, year out there are complaints about the development of players from Minnesota. I don't see a problem.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
There will be (or are if the list has been published publicly) many American-born "A" players in the USHL and Canadian Major Junior. That's where the NTDP kids will show.


There aren't. See links above.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The above list has both Skjie and Michealson listed as A players.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oops. Sorry about that. You are correct sir.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now more and more Mn hs aged kids are going to juniors to speed up their development and are being encouraged by college coaches and pro teams. 10-20 years ago hardly any player considered leaving hs, now I would say the elite players all look at that option. I would say in the near future, somebody will start a AAA midget team in the metro area. Not that I agree with the things that are happening, but the hockey landscape has changed dramaticly the last 10-15 yrs and hs hockey is not what it once was. With the number of players, facilities and year around training I find it hard to believe we can't produce more A and B list players compared to other states.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mulefarm wrote:
Now more and more Mn hs aged kids are going to juniors to speed up their development and are being encouraged by college coaches and pro teams. 10-20 years ago hardly any player considered leaving hs, now I would say the elite players all look at that option. I would say in the near future, somebody will start a AAA midget team in the metro area. Not that I agree with the things that are happening, but the hockey landscape has changed dramaticly the last 10-15 yrs and hs hockey is not what it once was. With the number of players, facilities and year around training I find it hard to believe we can't produce more A and B list players compared to other states.


I disagree, the MN Elite league has done a lot for keeping kids around. There are always going to be the ones who are going to leave, there will never be a time when everyone stays...not going to happen. The elite league has kept a lot of good players around, Bjugstad, Rau, Leddy, Kloos...ect. Why play AAA when you can play 50 games with Elite and HS, i don't buy what you're selling...not to mention AAA hockey is $$$$$$.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mule I'm sure all of us would like to see more first round picks developed each year from Minnesota. I think in some ways we've become a little spoiled, Minnesota has developed a crazy number of high level picks over the last 10 years. Remember we are talking about the 30 best players in the world eligible each year. I think its more of an ebb and flow thing, for now it seems the cupboard is bare but in just a few years that can all change. It could be as simple as the fact that the 93/94 year classes don't really have much in the way of size. Can you think of any BIG dominant players in these two year classes? I am sure there are a few but almost all our home grown 1st rounders (with the exception of Schroeder) have been big kids.

Far to much emphasis is being placed on whether or not kids leave HS. The high school season is barely 90 days long, most of these kids are playing 365. If they possess the qualities to be selected high in the draft it really doesn't matter where they are playing. Bjugstad, Leddy and even Lucia are perfect examples.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A interesting transition we're seeing with the Gophers is that they are binging in some players as 18 year old freshman but some have gone away for their junior and/or senior years to speed their development as you're suggesting. Not spending a year or two in juniors after high school but spending a year or two in juniors, or NTDP, during their high school years.

The StarTribune mentions this morning that the 3 Riley's are all coming in next season. Mike is a high school senior now but has spent his most recent two seasons away. The same article mentions both Michaelson and Skjei coming in next season as true freshman. Michaelson spending his senior year away and Skjei both junior and senior years away. Boyd and Ambroz are both true freshmen that also have spent 2 and 3 years away. I believe Boyd, like Bjugstad, accelerated studies otherwise he could be a high school senior today. Marshall is a true freshman with one year away. Warning?

Rau, Bjugstad and Budish are the recent exceptions. So, the players coming in next year are not older but they do have more games, at a higher level, under their belts.
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