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Posted: **Wed Nov 16, 2022 10:18 am**

What is a the actual "Date" a player can come back to their HS team with out sitting out any time?

Posted: **Wed Nov 16, 2022 11:04 am**

oldmaverick wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 10:18 am What is a the actual "Date" a player can come back to their HS team with out sitting out any time?

December 5th I believe.

Posted: **Thu Nov 17, 2022 11:04 am**

rainier2 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 12:30 pm If anything, the unfortunate uptick in transfers to top programs is an indicator that the desire to win at HS is as strong as ever. (Or, at least the desire for the players' parents to brag on social media is as strong as ever.)

This!

Posted: **Mon Nov 21, 2022 6:23 pm**

Slap Shot wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 7:57 am Would be interesting to see a comprehensive list of players from the top teams lost to Juniors and the NTDP.

Slapshot, here is what I have

EARLY DEPARTURES FROM HIGH SCHOOL TO PLAY IN USHL, NAHL, WHL

Cam Briere 12 F Still Tri City USHL
Harper Bentz 12 F Moorhead Fargo USHL
Jimmy Clark 12 F Edina Green Bay USHL
Tanner Bruender 11 F Chaska Sioux Falls USHL
Joe Gramer 12 D Moorhead DesMoines USHL
??? L Gunderson 12 F Maple Gr Madison USHL (IR !!)
Ty Hanson 12 D Herm Sioux City USHL
Logan Hensler 10 D Hill NTDP
Isaac Johnson 12 F Fergus New Mex NAHL
Adam Kleber 11 D Chaska Lincoln USHL
Sam Laurilla 10 D Moorhead* NTDP
Tanner Ludtke 12 F LVSouth Lincoln USHL
Tory Lund 12 F Sartell Minot NAHL
Jacob Margarit 12 D Holy Angels Philly NAHL
Brendan McMorrow 10 F BSM NTDP
Danny Nelson 11 F Maple Gr NTDP
Jaksen Panzer 12 F EGF Sioux Falls USHL
Max Plante 10 F Herm NTDP
Zam Plante 12 F Herm Chic USHL
Sam Rinzel 12 D Chaska Waterloo USHL
Joe Schiller 12 D Moorhead Cedar USHL
Will Skahan 11 D STA NTDP
Will Subject 12 D Wayz Vanc WHL
Joey Sylvester 12 F Cretin Chip NAHL
Carter Wishart 12 G Chaska Chip NAHL

• Went directly from Moorhead Bantam AA to NTDP

Selected Others Below Transferring to Other Programs

Laager Blaine Prep School MASS
Vonklinggraeff Gentry SF Power U18
Motzko Tonka SF PowerU18
T Hansen STMA SF Power 18
M Fechko Edina Windy City AAA
Stauber Dmarsh NStarChristian

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:47 am**

WestMetro wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 6:23 pm
Slap Shot wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 7:57 am Would be interesting to see a comprehensive list of players from the top teams lost to Juniors and the NTDP.

Slapshot, here is what I have

EARLY DEPARTURES FROM HIGH SCHOOL TO PLAY IN USHL, NAHL, WHL

Cam Briere 12 F Still Tri City USHL
Harper Bentz 12 F Moorhead Fargo USHL
Jimmy Clark 12 F Edina Green Bay USHL
Tanner Bruender 11 F Chaska Sioux Falls USHL
Joe Gramer 12 D Moorhead DesMoines USHL
??? L Gunderson 12 F Maple Gr Madison USHL (IR !!)
Ty Hanson 12 D Herm Sioux City USHL
Logan Hensler 10 D Hill NTDP
Isaac Johnson 12 F Fergus New Mex NAHL
Adam Kleber 11 D Chaska Lincoln USHL
Sam Laurilla 10 D Moorhead* NTDP
Tanner Ludtke 12 F LVSouth Lincoln USHL
Tory Lund 12 F Sartell Minot NAHL
Jacob Margarit 12 D Holy Angels Philly NAHL
Brendan McMorrow 10 F BSM NTDP
Danny Nelson 11 F Maple Gr NTDP
Jaksen Panzer 12 F EGF Sioux Falls USHL
Max Plante 10 F Herm NTDP
Zam Plante 12 F Herm Chic USHL
Sam Rinzel 12 D Chaska Waterloo USHL
Joe Schiller 12 D Moorhead Cedar USHL
Will Skahan 11 D STA NTDP
Will Subject 12 D Wayz Vanc WHL
Joey Sylvester 12 F Cretin Chip NAHL
Carter Wishart 12 G Chaska Chip NAHL

• Went directly from Moorhead Bantam AA to NTDP

Selected Others Below Transferring to Other Programs

Laager Blaine Prep School MASS
Vonklinggraeff Gentry SF Power U18
Motzko Tonka SF PowerU18
T Hansen STMA SF Power 18
M Fechko Edina Windy City AAA
Stauber Dmarsh NStarChristian

Thank you, although these are players that just left during the most recent off-season correct? For instance Beckett Hendrickson.

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2022 9:02 am**

Slap Shot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:47 am
WestMetro wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 6:23 pm
Slap Shot wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 7:57 am Would be interesting to see a comprehensive list of players from the top teams lost to Juniors and the NTDP.

Slapshot, here is what I have

EARLY DEPARTURES FROM HIGH SCHOOL TO PLAY IN USHL, NAHL, WHL

Cam Briere 12 F Still Tri City USHL
Harper Bentz 12 F Moorhead Fargo USHL
Jimmy Clark 12 F Edina Green Bay USHL
Tanner Bruender 11 F Chaska Sioux Falls USHL
Joe Gramer 12 D Moorhead DesMoines USHL
??? L Gunderson 12 F Maple Gr Madison USHL (IR !!)
Ty Hanson 12 D Herm Sioux City USHL
Logan Hensler 10 D Hill NTDP
Isaac Johnson 12 F Fergus New Mex NAHL
Adam Kleber 11 D Chaska Lincoln USHL
Sam Laurilla 10 D Moorhead* NTDP
Tanner Ludtke 12 F LVSouth Lincoln USHL
Tory Lund 12 F Sartell Minot NAHL
Jacob Margarit 12 D Holy Angels Philly NAHL
Brendan McMorrow 10 F BSM NTDP
Danny Nelson 11 F Maple Gr NTDP
Jaksen Panzer 12 F EGF Sioux Falls USHL
Max Plante 10 F Herm NTDP
Zam Plante 12 F Herm Chic USHL
Sam Rinzel 12 D Chaska Waterloo USHL
Joe Schiller 12 D Moorhead Cedar USHL
Will Skahan 11 D STA NTDP
Will Subject 12 D Wayz Vanc WHL
Joey Sylvester 12 F Cretin Chip NAHL
Carter Wishart 12 G Chaska Chip NAHL

• Went directly from Moorhead Bantam AA to NTDP

Selected Others Below Transferring to Other Programs

Laager Blaine Prep School MASS
Vonklinggraeff Gentry SF Power U18
Motzko Tonka SF PowerU18
T Hansen STMA SF Power 18
M Fechko Edina Windy City AAA
Stauber Dmarsh NStarChristian
Thank you, although these are players that just left during the most recent off-season correct? For instance Beckett Hendrickson.

Thats correct Slap Shot. I can count another 25 or so that would be higher end MSHL that would be juniors or seniors this year but left as 1-2 years ago for tier 1 and juniors. Keep in mind Suggerud would be a senior this year if he chose to stay in MSHL and not accelerate his schooling when at ntdp. Players like Whitelaw are not being factored in the list above. Imagine Whitelaw and Stramel playing for Rosemount today...wow.

At a minimum the number of higher end players leaving for NTDP, Juniors, Tier 1 are going to stay the same, but I think more will keep leaving.

What year would people say that many higher end kids started to leave mshl?

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2022 12:28 pm**

After perusing the past “Early Departures” pages, a couple things stood out to me that refute the idea that winning at the HS level is no longer important to today’s players and that more and more top talent are and will continue to choose other routes.

• The list doesn’t seem to be getting significantly longer over time, despite yearly proclamations of “This is the beginning of the end of MN HS hockey, you’ll see even more top talent leaving from here on out.”

• The pro/con arguments from 15 years ago seem to be largely the same today.

• It seems fewer are choosing the major junior route.

• While the old lists certainly have names of current NHL players or players who were good-to-excellent D1 players, there are as many, if not more, names of players I have never heard of making an impact even at the D1 level, much less pro. Just seems to show that leaving HS early is not the rocket ship to hockey greatness some make it out to be.

• Looking at this year’s list, I see 24 confirmed departures. Of which,
A. 25% are going to the NTDP, which will always draw some players.
B. 40% are leaving programs where either there appears to be a coach kerfuffle (Moorhead, Chaska), or have just won a title (Hermantown).
C. 20% are leaving from teams that are in a preseason top ten. (LVS, Edina, Wayzata, Cretin, EGF). And the EGF player already moved once, so “staying to play with your buddies” doesn’t appear to be in the DNA anyway.
D. The remaining 15% are from teams that seem to have little chance at making a run at state. (Stillwater, Fergus, Sartell, HA)

• A,B, and D are common reasons for leaving that I don’t see changing, and transferring is likely to keep D from ever growing too large. Option C is the only one that would be a reason for alarm that MN HS hockey has lost its allure. Until that numbers goes up significantly and annually, I see no reason to believe the sky is falling.

While I can't deny that leaving early can work out well for some kids, most statements I see supporting kids leaving early just sound like someone rationalizing the decision they already made for their own kid, or, sadly, as a sales pitch for a junior program.

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2022 8:21 pm**

WestMetro wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 6:23 pm
Slap Shot wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 7:57 am Would be interesting to see a comprehensive list of players from the top teams lost to Juniors and the NTDP.

Slapshot, here is what I have

EARLY DEPARTURES FROM HIGH SCHOOL TO PLAY IN USHL, NAHL, WHL

Cam Briere 12 F Still Tri City USHL
Harper Bentz 12 F Moorhead Fargo USHL
Jimmy Clark 12 F Edina Green Bay USHL
Tanner Bruender 11 F Chaska Sioux Falls USHL
Joe Gramer 12 D Moorhead DesMoines USHL
??? L Gunderson 12 F Maple Gr Madison USHL (IR !!)
Ty Hanson 12 D Herm Sioux City USHL
Logan Hensler 10 D Hill NTDP
Isaac Johnson 12 F Fergus New Mex NAHL
Adam Kleber 11 D Chaska Lincoln USHL
Sam Laurilla 10 D Moorhead* NTDP
Tanner Ludtke 12 F LVSouth Lincoln USHL
Tory Lund 12 F Sartell Minot NAHL
Jacob Margarit 12 D Holy Angels Philly NAHL
Brendan McMorrow 10 F BSM NTDP
Danny Nelson 11 F Maple Gr NTDP
Jaksen Panzer 12 F EGF Sioux Falls USHL
Max Plante 10 F Herm NTDP
Zam Plante 12 F Herm Chic USHL
Sam Rinzel 12 D Chaska Waterloo USHL
Joe Schiller 12 D Moorhead Cedar USHL
Will Skahan 11 D STA NTDP
Will Subject 12 D Wayz Vanc WHL
Joey Sylvester 12 F Cretin Chip NAHL
Carter Wishart 12 G Chaska Chip NAHL

• Went directly from Moorhead Bantam AA to NTDP

Selected Others Below Transferring to Other Programs

Laager Blaine Prep School MASS
Vonklinggraeff Gentry SF Power U18
Motzko Tonka SF PowerU18
T Hansen STMA SF Power 18
M Fechko Edina Windy City AAA
Stauber Dmarsh NStarChristian

A few more to add. All either played MSHL or MN Hockey last year.
Spehar - Chaska, SF Power 16U
L. Broten - Chaska, SF Power 16U
Taylor Berg - Northern Lakes, SF Power 16U
Cooper Jacobson - Dodge County, SF Power 16U
Alex Gelhar, Hastings, SF Power 18U
Owen Lunneborg, Bloomington/ Jefferson/AHA, SF Power 15O
Cam Alt, Fergus Falls, SF Power 15O

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2022 10:43 pm**

rainier2 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 12:28 pm • A,B, and D are common reasons for leaving that I don’t see changing, and transferring is likely to keep D from ever growing too large. Option C is the only one that would be a reason for alarm that MN HS hockey has lost its allure. Until that numbers goes up significantly and annually, I see no reason to believe the sky is falling.

This is an all-world post with several great insights. I'll add that even though some kids leave: A) a great deal have played HS hockey before leaving, and B) it doesn't matter...HS hockey in Minnesota is still great.

March Madness no longer has guys like Laettner, Hurley & Hill staying 4 years, but it is still a ton of fun to watch. Same here. Looking forward to another great season!

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2022 8:30 am**

Good stuff

As long as we all admit....These are not "kids" decisions...These are "dad" decisions

Dad's in a hurry..Said kid just wants to keep dad happy

Until I see a kid in a lobby of a rink, tugging on dads Canada Goose jacket begging him to leave, this is my perception.

More stats.

5-10 years from now, 90% of these kids will look back at this and wish Dad didn't do this

Of all these kids leaving early...4-5 may have good D-1 careers

Those who go on to play D-1, 40-50% will end up using the open portal because "dad couldn't fix things this time"

1-2 kids from this group may, if the stars align properly, play 50 games in the NHL

I'm thinking MSHL should offer up a suite to all families who's kids leave early to the 2023 state tournament....The husband and wife must sit together in the suite and watch all AA games....And here's the fun part. All these parents will be MIC up so we can listen to mom constantly lecture her husband on what a dumb @ss he is for making little Billy leave early.

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2022 9:55 am**

arcticpurple wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 8:21 pm
WestMetro wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 6:23 pm
Slap Shot wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 7:57 am Would be interesting to see a comprehensive list of players from the top teams lost to Juniors and the NTDP.

Slapshot, here is what I have

EARLY DEPARTURES FROM HIGH SCHOOL TO PLAY IN USHL, NAHL, WHL

Cam Briere 12 F Still Tri City USHL
Harper Bentz 12 F Moorhead Fargo USHL
Jimmy Clark 12 F Edina Green Bay USHL
Tanner Bruender 11 F Chaska Sioux Falls USHL
Joe Gramer 12 D Moorhead DesMoines USHL
??? L Gunderson 12 F Maple Gr Madison USHL (IR !!)
Ty Hanson 12 D Herm Sioux City USHL
Logan Hensler 10 D Hill NTDP
Isaac Johnson 12 F Fergus New Mex NAHL
Adam Kleber 11 D Chaska Lincoln USHL
Sam Laurilla 10 D Moorhead* NTDP
Tanner Ludtke 12 F LVSouth Lincoln USHL
Tory Lund 12 F Sartell Minot NAHL
Jacob Margarit 12 D Holy Angels Philly NAHL
Brendan McMorrow 10 F BSM NTDP
Danny Nelson 11 F Maple Gr NTDP
Jaksen Panzer 12 F EGF Sioux Falls USHL
Max Plante 10 F Herm NTDP
Zam Plante 12 F Herm Chic USHL
Sam Rinzel 12 D Chaska Waterloo USHL
Joe Schiller 12 D Moorhead Cedar USHL
Will Skahan 11 D STA NTDP
Will Subject 12 D Wayz Vanc WHL
Joey Sylvester 12 F Cretin Chip NAHL
Carter Wishart 12 G Chaska Chip NAHL

• Went directly from Moorhead Bantam AA to NTDP

Selected Others Below Transferring to Other Programs

Laager Blaine Prep School MASS
Vonklinggraeff Gentry SF Power U18
Motzko Tonka SF PowerU18
T Hansen STMA SF Power 18
M Fechko Edina Windy City AAA
Stauber Dmarsh NStarChristian
A few more to add. All either played MSHL or MN Hockey last year.
Spehar - Chaska, SF Power 16U
L. Broten - Chaska, SF Power 16U
Taylor Berg - Northern Lakes, SF Power 16U
Cooper Jacobson - Dodge County, SF Power 16U
Alex Gelhar, Hastings, SF Power 18U
Owen Lunneborg, Bloomington/ Jefferson/AHA, SF Power 15O
Cam Alt, Fergus Falls, SF Power 15O

Shattuck kids that played MN Hockey last year:
U14:
Mikey Berchild, F, Minnetonka
Parker Trottier, F, Edina
Henry Chmiel, D, Woodbury
Tyler McCracken, D, Rosemount
Xavier Wendt, G, Plymouth

U15:
Caden Lindsay, F, Minnetonka
Henri Ament, F, Orono
Grayson Hanggi, G, Lino Lakes

And a couple of Sioux Falls kids who played MN Hockey last year
Sioux Falls Power U14:
Dakotah Bailey, F, Stillwater
Niklas Huson, G, Shakopee

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2022 4:57 pm**

FYI: Maple Grove has posted their roster. Gunderson is on it. He’s hurt and will be out a while, but will be back in Crimson eventually. Guessing MG’a top line will eventually be Gunderson, Brink and Steenerson. Deadly.

https://www.mgcrimsonhockey.com/roster/ ... son=852598

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2022 9:21 pm**

yesiplayedhockey wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 8:30 am Good stuff

As long as we all admit....These are not "kids" decisions...These are "dad" decisions

Dad's in a hurry..Said kid just wants to keep dad happy

Until I see a kid in a lobby of a rink, tugging on dads Canada Goose jacket begging him to leave, this is my perception.

More stats.

5-10 years from now, 90% of these kids will look back at this and wish Dad didn't do this

Of all these kids leaving early...4-5 may have good D-1 careers

Those who go on to play D-1, 40-50% will end up using the open portal because "dad couldn't fix things this time"

1-2 kids from this group may, if the stars align properly, play 50 games in the NHL

I'm thinking MSHL should offer up a suite to all families who's kids leave early to the 2023 state tournament....The husband and wife must sit together in the suite and watch all AA games....And here's the fun part. All these parents will be MIC up so we can listen to mom constantly lecture her husband on what a dumb @ss he is for making little Billy leave early.

Maybe some of these kids are leaving to get away from dad. It has happened in the past.

Posted: **Fri Nov 25, 2022 12:22 pm**

Looks like we can remove Vonklinggraeff, he is listed on Gentry’s line chart for tonight

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:38 am**

Yesterdays YHH podcast confirmed Landen Gunderson will not return to MGHS this season

Holy Family Ryan McPartland - Is now in Sioux Falls playing for the U16 for the remainder of the season.

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2023 2:50 pm**

WestMetro wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:38 am Yesterdays YHH podcast confirmed Landen Gunderson will not return to MGHS this season

Because he's unable to return from injury by that time?

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:41 pm**

WestMetro wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:38 am Yesterdays YHH podcast confirmed Landen Gunderson will not return to MGHS this season

Holy Family Ryan McPartland - Is now in Sioux Falls playing for the U16 for the remainder of the season.

Can someone confirm this—does SF practice in the cities/metro and split time in SF or are they completely based there? Asking for a friend..

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2023 7:57 pm**

headsupsticksdown wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:41 pm
WestMetro wrote: ↑Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:38 am Yesterdays YHH podcast confirmed Landen Gunderson will not return to MGHS this season

Holy Family Ryan McPartland - Is now in Sioux Falls playing for the U16 for the remainder of the season.
Can someone confirm this—does SF practice in the cities/metro and split time in SF or are they completely based there? Asking for a friend..

14's practice primarily in cities....15's and on up live / practice out in Sioux Falls

Posted: **Fri Mar 31, 2023 2:35 pm**

How is Sioux Falls doing at nationals?

Posted: **Fri Mar 31, 2023 8:12 pm**

High Heat wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 2:35 pm How is Sioux Falls doing at nationals?

Are you asking because you actually don’t know or because you think them not making it out of pool play reflects upon the quality of the decision to leave MN HS hockey to play there

Posted: **Sun Apr 02, 2023 1:18 pm**

High Heat wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 2:35 pm How is Sioux Falls doing at nationals?

That's why we play the game...a lot of kids on the 14, 15 and 16 teams developed more than they ever would have playing JV or 3-4th line Varsity. It's all about choice and I'm certain the majority of the kids feel they made the right choice when it comes to development. Natty's or not.

Posted: **Sat Mar 09, 2024 10:25 pm**

Is there a comprehensive list of players that played juniors this past season and the most likely public or private school they likely would have played for had they remained in h.s.?

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