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summer wrote:

thorhockey wrote:Besides, there will be plenty of room and reasons to rip on the privates during the regular season. For now just relax and enjoy the summer away from hockey and this forum.... like me (a pathetic Hill hater) I:-----)

I am not a private school hater! I just don't think it is fair that they can create All-star teams and compete with public schools when it matters (conference, section and state). I think they have every right in the world to create All-star teams, but then they should compete with each other. It would be like all the kids who go to Wisconsin to play AAA hockey instead of their local association hockey, if those teams could cross the border to play against Minnesota association teams, would that be fair?

I just think it is a waste of time ooing and aahing over private school teams, they are All-star teams, that's all they are, so what!

Shut up and get over it!

summer wrote:

thorhockey wrote:Besides, there will be plenty of room and reasons to rip on the privates during the regular season. For now just relax and enjoy the summer away from hockey and this forum.... like me (a pathetic Hill hater) I:-----)

I am not a private school hater! I just don't think it is fair that they can create All-star teams and compete with public schools when it matters (conference, section and state). I think they have every right in the world to create All-star teams, but then they should compete with each other. It would be like all the kids who go to Wisconsin to play AAA hockey instead of their local association hockey, if those teams could cross the border to play against Minnesota association teams, would that be fair?

I just think it is a waste of time ooing and aahing over private school teams, they are All-star teams, that's all they are, so what!

Summer, you need to understand that the hockey players that go to private schools go their for religious reasons. Hockey is the religion

I will shut up because some folks just don't get the idea of fairness. I don't lose, the state does, the MSHSL is teaching student athletes it is okay to cheat if they have money.

The religion thing is funny, but they are more like mercenaries, out only for themselves.

summer wrote:I will shut up because some folks just don't get the idea of fairness. I don't lose, the state does, the MSHSL is teaching student athletes it is okay to cheat if they have money.

The religion thing is funny, but they are more like mercenaries, out only for themselves.

"Cheating?" Going to a private school is "cheating?" Heaven forbid a people should take advantage of the opportunities they are given, should it enhance their odds at success in whatever endeavor.

Of course things aren't going to be fair. They're not in the public system either; it doesn't take a genius to see that the most successful hockey communities are, with the exception of a few tiny northern towns where the tradition is so ingrained in life, also the wealthiest.

I agree there is a problem there. But it is a problem that goes far beyond the scope and jurisdiction of a state high school league.

Instead of taking off our skates and going home and whining about our problems, I suggest accepting the challenge of facing private schools and rising to the occasion. Better competition raises everyone's level of play, and this is a good thing for Minnesota hockey. I love watching public schools beat privates. But when my alma mater lost to a private at the state tournament this year, I didn't start whining about their status as a private school. It just made me want revenge next year. Perhaps you should try looking at things the same way.

karl(east) wrote:

summer wrote:I will shut up because some folks just don't get the idea of fairness. I don't lose, the state does, the MSHSL is teaching student athletes it is okay to cheat if they have money.

The religion thing is funny, but they are more like mercenaries, out only for themselves.

"Cheating?" Going to a private school is "cheating?" Heaven forbid a people should take advantage of the opportunities they are given, should it enhance their odds at success in whatever endeavor.

Of course things aren't going to be fair. They're not in the public system either; it doesn't take a genius to see that the most successful hockey communities are, with the exception of a few tiny northern towns where the tradition is so ingrained in life, also the wealthiest.

I agree there is a problem there. But it is a problem that goes far beyond the scope and jurisdiction of a state high school league.

Instead of taking off our skates and going home and whining about our problems, I suggest accepting the challenge of facing private schools and rising to the occasion. Better competition raises everyone's level of play, and this is a good thing for Minnesota hockey. I love watching public schools beat privates. But when my alma mater lost to a private at the state tournament this year, I didn't start whining about their status as a private school. It just made me want revenge next year. Perhaps you should try looking at things the same way.

I will keep my work and shut up about privates, I just want to point out that we would have nothing to talk about if we all looked at things the same way.

summer wrote:

karl(east) wrote:

summer wrote:I will shut up because some folks just don't get the idea of fairness. I don't lose, the state does, the MSHSL is teaching student athletes it is okay to cheat if they have money.

The religion thing is funny, but they are more like mercenaries, out only for themselves.

"Cheating?" Going to a private school is "cheating?" Heaven forbid a people should take advantage of the opportunities they are given, should it enhance their odds at success in whatever endeavor.

Of course things aren't going to be fair. They're not in the public system either; it doesn't take a genius to see that the most successful hockey communities are, with the exception of a few tiny northern towns where the tradition is so ingrained in life, also the wealthiest.

I agree there is a problem there. But it is a problem that goes far beyond the scope and jurisdiction of a state high school league.

Instead of taking off our skates and going home and whining about our problems, I suggest accepting the challenge of facing private schools and rising to the occasion. Better competition raises everyone's level of play, and this is a good thing for Minnesota hockey. I love watching public schools beat privates. But when my alma mater lost to a private at the state tournament this year, I didn't start whining about their status as a private school. It just made me want revenge next year. Perhaps you should try looking at things the same way.

I will keep my work and shut up about privates, I just want to point out that we would have nothing to talk about if we all looked at things the same way.

I didn't mean to imply that. If I wanted everyone to look at things my way, I'd start my own blog and preach to the choir. I don't do that because I want to discuss and learn things. I'd never call myself an "expert" on anything related to high school hockey; rather, I consider myself a student of it.

But some things have been re-hashed on here so often that they do not need to be revisited, or at least not in threads where they have not already been discussed extensively. And while we shouldn't all look at things the same way, we definitely should try to look at things from multiple vantage points.

Good job at explaining your position Karl. Come to think of it, when the question is asked in a recent year book about a Tartan players highlight of their hockey career- many did comment on their wins over Hill. They have had more to brag about lately since Hill has only beat Tartan once in the last two seasons. Bragging rights over a private school is always a reward in itself.
Better luck next year DE.

Eden Prairie - return the 'super sophs' now juniors. great resume of youth success and expect them to contend for a retun trip. Jefferson and BSM pose a challenge.

Moorhead - do not see Roseau as a spoiler.

Blaine - Bjugstad line returns that is enough to consider Blaine as a serious contender. Centennial and Larson pose the biggest challenge to a return trip.

Cretin-Derham - return some very good talent. Woodbury and Apple Valley pose a chllange.

Edina - do not expect the same success as experienced the past 3 seasons. Picking Minnetonka as the front runner for the section.

Hill Murray - underclass "veteran" experience returns for another run at state. Tops in the section.

Duluth East - loss of Forbort hurts but Randolph knows how to win. Elk River will pose a challenge. No semi final Saturday....thanks MSHSL

Rochester Century- who else could take section 1?

any thoughts on single A schools from a state tournament perspective

thorhockey wrote: Bragging rights over a private school is always a reward in itself.
Better luck next year DE.

Why, is there something different/special about them?

NW Oldtimer:

Check your AA sections, Minnetonka is in with EP not Edina.

Jefferson is the front runner in section 2AA

EP with Tonka a close second in 6AA

[quote=Rochester Century- who else could take section 1?[/quote]

Not that it matters, Mayo, Lakeville North or South.