"State Participants"

hockey.life76 · Post by **hockey.life76** » Mon May 04, 2009 11:01 pm

How will they be next year.......even though they will be losing players who will pick up the slack....and in general what are your predictions for these teams.

Edine Praire

Moorhead

Blaine

Cretin-Derham

Edina

Hill Murray

Duluth East

Rochester Century[/b]

johnnyquest · Post by **johnnyquest** » Mon May 04, 2009 11:10 pm

weren't there 8 more state participants ?

hockey.life76 · Post by **hockey.life76** » Mon May 04, 2009 11:11 pm

Well ya...we could add them in too...but i was thinking more along the lines of class AA.

johnnyquest · Post by **johnnyquest** » Mon May 04, 2009 11:20 pm

don't bother (adding them in) . . . . . . . the two local newspapers don't and channels 4, 5 and 11 seem to focus most of their attention on the 8 teams you mentioned . . . . . . . . such is life.

Goldy23 · Post by **Goldy23** » Tue May 05, 2009 11:13 am

johnnyquest wrote:don't bother (adding them in) . . . . . . . the two local newspapers don't and channels 4, 5 and 11 seem to focus most of their attention on the 8 teams you mentioned . . . . . . . . such is life.

Sad, but true.... It's to bad because the Class A Champion Mustangs will most likely be favored in a game against any of the teams mentioned above next season with the exception of EP. Rumor has it that the Breck coaches are trying to get a game scheduled but EP isn't interested. I guess their reasoning is they have nothing to gain and everything to lose.

Post by **karl(east)** » Tue May 05, 2009 11:13 am

Here are my vague guesses at this point in the year; I don't really know what's coming up from Bantams/JV for each team. But it's something to start with, and I'm sure more knowledgable people on each team can fill in the details.

Eden Prairie-Will miss Leddy and the 4 senior forwards, but still in a strong position to repeat with the sophomore class and Rogge. Their downfall might be the section, which is loaded with Minnetonka, BSM, and perhaps Wayzata, who had the top Bantam team this past year.

Blaine-Graduate a lot of seniors (8 who had points in the state tourney), but Bjugstad's line returns intact. Also returning goalie Danny Harper. In a pretty good position to go get a 5th section title in a row, with Centennial offering some good competition.

Cretin-Might be losing the least of any tournament team, which means they're a team to look out for next year. They do need a new goalie, though.

Hill-Lose most (but not quite all) of the contributors to that state title in 08. Considering how young they are, they're quite experienced, which could pay off down the road.

Edina-Losing a ton of talent, but the system is deep enough that they should still contend, at the very least. But Jefferson will be the favorite in 2AA.

Moorhead-Are definitely going to miss a couple of their top seniors, but return a lot of bodies from the tournament runner-up team, including both goalies. They'll be in for the usual battle with Roseau to get back to the X.

Duluth East-Lose their goalie, top 4 defensemen, and top scorer. There's still some intriguing talent around, but they need to find some goal-scorers and grow up in a hurry. Elk River is the early 7AA favorite, but East isn't out of the picture.

I don't know enough about Century or 1AA to say anything meaningful.

daffy duck · Post by **daffy duck** » Tue May 05, 2009 2:44 pm

Eden Prarie won't replace Leddy

flatontheice · Post by **flatontheice** » Tue May 05, 2009 3:50 pm

Goldy23 wrote:
johnnyquest wrote:don't bother (adding them in) . . . . . . . the two local newspapers don't and channels 4, 5 and 11 seem to focus most of their attention on the 8 teams you mentioned . . . . . . . . such is life.
Sad, but true.... It's to bad because the Class A Champion Mustangs will most likely be favored in a game against any of the teams mentioned above next season with the exception of EP. Rumor has it that the Breck coaches are trying to get a game scheduled but EP isn't interested. I guess their reasoning is they have nothing to gain and everything to lose.

That is total BS Goldy. You are such and idiot. EP plays in the Lake Conference and as a result only gets 5 non conference games. Who would you suggest they give up to play you guys? Edina or maybe Minnetonka? You lost Rehkamp and Herd. You wont make it out of sectionals next year. You heard it here first.

Papa Bergundy · Post by **Papa Bergundy** » Tue May 05, 2009 10:48 pm

flatontheice wrote:
Goldy23 wrote:
johnnyquest wrote:don't bother (adding them in) . . . . . . . the two local newspapers don't and channels 4, 5 and 11 seem to focus most of their attention on the 8 teams you mentioned . . . . . . . . such is life.
Sad, but true.... It's to bad because the Class A Champion Mustangs will most likely be favored in a game against any of the teams mentioned above next season with the exception of EP. Rumor has it that the Breck coaches are trying to get a game scheduled but EP isn't interested. I guess their reasoning is they have nothing to gain and everything to lose.
That is total BS Goldy. You are such and idiot. EP plays in the Lake Conference and as a result only gets 5 non conference games. Who would you suggest they give up to play you guys? Edina or maybe Minnetonka? You lost Rehkamp and Herd. You wont make it out of sectionals next year. You heard it here first.

You had a solid point until the end. Herd is an overrated defenseman because he scored one nice goal in the tourney. Rehkamp is obviously a great player who shined in the tourney, but isn't unreplaceable.

So they're not losing THAT much. However, EP still has great reason not to play Breck. You're right Goldy, what good do they get beating a class A team? Why not play tough competition that they will see later down the road (say a BSM, Tonka or Wayzata)? You worded it as a real cheap shot against EP, as if they were scared to play Breck.

Also, favored? Maybe in the eye of the beholder. But in contention I could agree with, but to say Breck would be favored against Edina, Blaine and even Moorhead on a good night is a stretch. At least you didn't say they would be favored against EP. Congrats on that.

Goldy23 · Post by **Goldy23** » Wed May 06, 2009 1:35 am

Papa Bergundy wrote:
flatontheice wrote:
Goldy23 wrote: Sad, but true.... It's to bad because the Class A Champion Mustangs will most likely be favored in a game against any of the teams mentioned above next season with the exception of EP. Rumor has it that the Breck coaches are trying to get a game scheduled but EP isn't interested. I guess their reasoning is they have nothing to gain and everything to lose.
That is total BS Goldy. You are such and idiot. EP plays in the Lake Conference and as a result only gets 5 non conference games. Who would you suggest they give up to play you guys? Edina or maybe Minnetonka? You lost Rehkamp and Herd. You wont make it out of sectionals next year. You heard it here first.
You had a solid point until the end. Herd is an overrated defenseman because he scored one nice goal in the tourney. Rehkamp is obviously a great player who shined in the tourney, but isn't unreplaceable.

So they're not losing THAT much. However, EP still has great reason not to play Breck. You're right Goldy, what good do they get beating a class A team? Why not play tough competition that they will see later down the road (say a BSM, Tonka or Wayzata)? You worded it as a real cheap shot against EP, as if they were scared to play Breck.

Also, favored? Maybe in the eye of the beholder. But in contention I could agree with, but to say Breck would be favored against Edina, Blaine and even Moorhead on a good night is a stretch. At least you didn't say they would be favored against EP. Congrats on that.

First.. Flat, you were wrong on your predictions for this years tourney just like your going to be wrong again with your silly comment about next years sections. Come to think of it, after reading your 500+ posts, it's hard to find much of anything your right about. As for a team to drop, how about that powerhouse Kennnedy that they beat 14-1!? Papa, no disrespect meant towards EP. Simply pointing out that they have no interest for the reason stated, which is totally rational. Hopefully Flat will take in that "stay classy" comment on your posts someday.....

....and p.s. STA would likely beat most of those teams mentioned next year as well....and I can't stand those guys!

flatontheice · Post by **flatontheice** » Wed May 06, 2009 7:41 am

Goldy23 wrote:
Papa Bergundy wrote:
flatontheice wrote: That is total BS Goldy. You are such and idiot. EP plays in the Lake Conference and as a result only gets 5 non conference games. Who would you suggest they give up to play you guys? Edina or maybe Minnetonka? You lost Rehkamp and Herd. You wont make it out of sectionals next year. You heard it here first.
You had a solid point until the end. Herd is an overrated defenseman because he scored one nice goal in the tourney. Rehkamp is obviously a great player who shined in the tourney, but isn't unreplaceable.

So they're not losing THAT much. However, EP still has great reason not to play Breck. You're right Goldy, what good do they get beating a class A team? Why not play tough competition that they will see later down the road (say a BSM, Tonka or Wayzata)? You worded it as a real cheap shot against EP, as if they were scared to play Breck.

Also, favored? Maybe in the eye of the beholder. But in contention I could agree with, but to say Breck would be favored against Edina, Blaine and even Moorhead on a good night is a stretch. At least you didn't say they would be favored against EP. Congrats on that.
First.. Flat, you were wrong on your predictions for this years tourney just like your going to be wrong again with your silly comment about next years sections. Come to think of it, after reading your 500+ posts, it's hard to find much of anything your right about. As for a team to drop, how about that powerhouse Kennnedy that they beat 14-1!? Papa, no disrespect meant towards EP. Simply pointing out that they have no interest for the reason stated, which is totally rational. Hopefully Flat will take in that "stay classy" comment on your posts someday.....

....and p.s. STA would likely beat most of those teams mentioned next year as well....and I can't stand those guys!

Goldy: Kennedy is in their conference that is why they cant drop them. Rehkamp is a game changer..you guys will miss him alot more than you think.

flatontheice · Post by **flatontheice** » Wed May 06, 2009 7:48 am

flatontheice wrote:
Goldy23 wrote:
Papa Bergundy wrote: You had a solid point until the end. Herd is an overrated defenseman because he scored one nice goal in the tourney. Rehkamp is obviously a great player who shined in the tourney, but isn't unreplaceable.

So they're not losing THAT much. However, EP still has great reason not to play Breck. You're right Goldy, what good do they get beating a class A team? Why not play tough competition that they will see later down the road (say a BSM, Tonka or Wayzata)? You worded it as a real cheap shot against EP, as if they were scared to play Breck.

Also, favored? Maybe in the eye of the beholder. But in contention I could agree with, but to say Breck would be favored against Edina, Blaine and even Moorhead on a good night is a stretch. At least you didn't say they would be favored against EP. Congrats on that.
First.. Flat, you were wrong on your predictions for this years tourney just like your going to be wrong again with your silly comment about next years sections. Come to think of it, after reading your 500+ posts, it's hard to find much of anything your right about. As for a team to drop, how about that powerhouse Kennnedy that they beat 14-1!? Papa, no disrespect meant towards EP. Simply pointing out that they have no interest for the reason stated, which is totally rational. Hopefully Flat will take in that "stay classy" comment on your posts someday.....

....and p.s. STA would likely beat most of those teams mentioned next year as well....and I can't stand those guys!
Goldy: Kennedy is in their conference that is why they cant drop them. Rehkamp is a game changer..you guys will miss him alot more than you think.

P.S. You need a hobby if you have time to read thru my 500 posts. Maybe you can start reading bed time stories to the boys over there .

Goldy23 · Post by **Goldy23** » Wed May 06, 2009 11:43 am

flatontheice wrote:
Goldy23 wrote:
Papa Bergundy wrote: You had a solid point until the end. Herd is an overrated defenseman because he scored one nice goal in the tourney. Rehkamp is obviously a great player who shined in the tourney, but isn't unreplaceable.

So they're not losing THAT much. However, EP still has great reason not to play Breck. You're right Goldy, what good do they get beating a class A team? Why not play tough competition that they will see later down the road (say a BSM, Tonka or Wayzata)? You worded it as a real cheap shot against EP, as if they were scared to play Breck.

Also, favored? Maybe in the eye of the beholder. But in contention I could agree with, but to say Breck would be favored against Edina, Blaine and even Moorhead on a good night is a stretch. At least you didn't say they would be favored against EP. Congrats on that.
First.. Flat, you were wrong on your predictions for this years tourney just like your going to be wrong again with your silly comment about next years sections. Come to think of it, after reading your 500+ posts, it's hard to find much of anything your right about. As for a team to drop, how about that powerhouse Kennnedy that they beat 14-1!? Papa, no disrespect meant towards EP. Simply pointing out that they have no interest for the reason stated, which is totally rational. Hopefully Flat will take in that "stay classy" comment on your posts someday.....

....and p.s. STA would likely beat most of those teams mentioned next year as well....and I can't stand those guys!
Goldy: Kennedy is in their conference that is why they cant drop them. Rehkamp is a game changer..you guys will miss him alot more than you think.

No question Rehkamp will be greatly missed as will Herd (who is in no way overrated Papa) But of the teams listed, NOBODY losses less talent than the Mustangs. When you have 5 of 6 blue liners and 11 of 12 forwards plus one of the best goalies in the state returning from a State Championship team, I think it's resonable to say that they may be the favorites in those games next year. On top of that, they beat CDH and East last year head to head and also beat Moorhead 5-0 in a pre season scrimmage in Moorhead! The funny thing is if Breck were a AA school, I'd bet most of the AA bigots would agree with the concept. I stand behind the statement and go ahead and send me the $20 bucks you wanted to bet when I predicted a 20+ win season that you were so confident wouldn't happen! Being that your such the gambler, and me being the fair guy that I am, I'll go double or nothing again this year on a 20+ win seasion and put some side action on your bold "heard it here first" nonsense about them not making it out of sections.

hockey.life76 · Post by **hockey.life76** » Wed May 06, 2009 2:26 pm

Goldy, lets be realistic.....there are no GUARENTEES in hs hockey. Without a doubt Breck should have a good season, but look at Hill last year/this year. Anything can happen...so I am very skeptical about your last few posts.

flatontheice · Post by **flatontheice** » Wed May 06, 2009 2:48 pm

Goldy23 wrote:
flatontheice wrote:
Goldy23 wrote: First.. Flat, you were wrong on your predictions for this years tourney just like your going to be wrong again with your silly comment about next years sections. Come to think of it, after reading your 500+ posts, it's hard to find much of anything your right about. As for a team to drop, how about that powerhouse Kennnedy that they beat 14-1!? Papa, no disrespect meant towards EP. Simply pointing out that they have no interest for the reason stated, which is totally rational. Hopefully Flat will take in that "stay classy" comment on your posts someday.....

....and p.s. STA would likely beat most of those teams mentioned next year as well....and I can't stand those guys!
Goldy: Kennedy is in their conference that is why they cant drop them. Rehkamp is a game changer..you guys will miss him alot more than you think.
No question Rehkamp will be greatly missed as will Herd (who is in no way overrated Papa) But of the teams listed, NOBODY losses less talent than the Mustangs. When you have 5 of 6 blue liners and 11 of 12 forwards plus one of the best goalies in the state returning from a State Championship team, I think it's resonable to say that they may be the favorites in those games next year. On top of that, they beat CDH and East last year head to head and also beat Moorhead 5-0 in a pre season scrimmage in Moorhead! The funny thing is if Breck were a AA school, I'd bet most of the AA bigots would agree with the concept. I stand behind the statement and go ahead and send me the $20 bucks you wanted to bet when I predicted a 20+ win season that you were so confident wouldn't happen! Being that your such the gambler, and me being the fair guy that I am, I'll go double or nothing again this year on a 20+ win seasion and put some side action on your bold "heard it here first" nonsense about them not making it out of sections.

5-0 in a pre season scrimmage?? No way!!! Then you have to be the best team going into next years season. I can't bet you knowing that.

Goldy23 · Post by **Goldy23** » Wed May 06, 2009 3:11 pm

hockey.life76 wrote:Goldy, lets be realistic.....there are no GUARENTEES in hs hockey. Without a doubt Breck should have a good season, but look at Hill last year/this year. Anything can happen...so I am very skeptical about your last few posts.

No question anything "can" happen in High School Hockey. I totally agree.

Are you skeptical that they would be favored? Or are you skeptical that they are likely to win section 2A next year?

If you read the post, I'm not gauranteeing anything. I'm just saying that against the teams listed, the Mustangs would "probably be favored' in those matchups. Yes, I am going out on the same limb I did last year in predicting that the Mustangs have the returning horsepower to take what is likely going to be a pretty anemic section 2A once again. Surely you have to admit that they are the clear favorites to win there section again don't you?

And besides, it's always good humor poking holes in Flat's never ending blah, blah, blah -usually off- opinions!

sachishi4 · Post by **sachishi4** » Wed May 06, 2009 5:00 pm

karl(east) wrote:Here are my vague guesses at this point in the year; I don't really know what's coming up from Bantams/JV for each team. But it's something to start with, and I'm sure more knowledgable people on each team can fill in the details.

Eden Prairie-Will miss Leddy and the 4 senior forwards, but still in a strong position to repeat with the sophomore class and Rogge. Their downfall might be the section, which is loaded with Minnetonka, BSM, and perhaps Wayzata, who had the top Bantam team this past year.

Blaine-Graduate a lot of seniors (8 who had points in the state tourney), but Bjugstad's line returns intact. Also returning goalie Danny Harper. In a pretty good position to go get a 5th section title in a row, with Centennial offering some good competition.

Cretin-Might be losing the least of any tournament team, which means they're a team to look out for next year. They do need a new goalie, though.

Hill-Lose most (but not quite all) of the contributors to that state title in 08. Considering how young they are, they're quite experienced, which could pay off down the road.

Edina-Losing a ton of talent, but the system is deep enough that they should still contend, at the very least. But Jefferson will be the favorite in 2AA.

Moorhead-Are definitely going to miss a couple of their top seniors, but return a lot of bodies from the tournament runner-up team, including both goalies. They'll be in for the usual battle with Roseau to get back to the X.

Duluth East-Lose their goalie, top 4 defensemen, and top scorer. There's still some intriguing talent around, but they need to find some goal-scorers and grow up in a hurry. Elk River is the early 7AA favorite, but East isn't out of the picture.

I don't know enough about Century or 1AA to say anything meaningful.

The only loss next year is Zepeda. The other seniors were already gone by mid season. This team looks strong next year, just need some good captains

summer · Post by **summer** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 7:30 am

Goldy23 wrote:
flatontheice wrote:
Goldy23 wrote: First.. Flat, you were wrong on your predictions for this years tourney just like your going to be wrong again with your silly comment about next years sections. Come to think of it, after reading your 500+ posts, it's hard to find much of anything your right about. As for a team to drop, how about that powerhouse Kennnedy that they beat 14-1!? Papa, no disrespect meant towards EP. Simply pointing out that they have no interest for the reason stated, which is totally rational. Hopefully Flat will take in that "stay classy" comment on your posts someday.....

....and p.s. STA would likely beat most of those teams mentioned next year as well....and I can't stand those guys!
Goldy: Kennedy is in their conference that is why they cant drop them. Rehkamp is a game changer..you guys will miss him alot more than you think.
No question Rehkamp will be greatly missed as will Herd (who is in no way overrated Papa) But of the teams listed, NOBODY losses less talent than the Mustangs. When you have 5 of 6 blue liners and 11 of 12 forwards plus one of the best goalies in the state returning from a State Championship team, I think it's resonable to say that they may be the favorites in those games next year. On top of that, they beat CDH and East last year head to head and also beat Moorhead 5-0 in a pre season scrimmage in Moorhead! The funny thing is if Breck were a AA school, I'd bet most of the AA bigots would agree with the concept. I stand behind the statement and go ahead and send me the $20 bucks you wanted to bet when I predicted a 20+ win season that you were so confident wouldn't happen! Being that your such the gambler, and me being the fair guy that I am, I'll go double or nothing again this year on a 20+ win seasion and put some side action on your bold "heard it here first" nonsense about them not making it out of sections.

In a way, they are a AA team, I'm sure all the players would be going to AA schools if they were going to their community's public schools! Nice All-Star teams the privates have!

Zamman · Post by **Zamman** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:15 am

summer wrote:
Goldy23 wrote:
flatontheice wrote: Goldy: Kennedy is in their conference that is why they cant drop them. Rehkamp is a game changer..you guys will miss him alot more than you think.
No question Rehkamp will be greatly missed as will Herd (who is in no way overrated Papa) But of the teams listed, NOBODY losses less talent than the Mustangs. When you have 5 of 6 blue liners and 11 of 12 forwards plus one of the best goalies in the state returning from a State Championship team, I think it's resonable to say that they may be the favorites in those games next year. On top of that, they beat CDH and East last year head to head and also beat Moorhead 5-0 in a pre season scrimmage in Moorhead! The funny thing is if Breck were a AA school, I'd bet most of the AA bigots would agree with the concept. I stand behind the statement and go ahead and send me the $20 bucks you wanted to bet when I predicted a 20+ win season that you were so confident wouldn't happen! Being that your such the gambler, and me being the fair guy that I am, I'll go double or nothing again this year on a 20+ win seasion and put some side action on your bold "heard it here first" nonsense about them not making it out of sections.

In a way, they are a AA team, I'm sure all the players would be going to AA schools if they were going to their community's public schools! Nice All-Star teams the privates have!

Typical, way to turn a decent post into the inevitable.

Fact is if Breck wants to play AA schools, get the school to step up a class. That is how AHA, CDH, BSM and HM have done it.....

summer · Post by **summer** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 6:11 pm

Zamman wrote:
summer wrote:
Goldy23 wrote: No question Rehkamp will be greatly missed as will Herd (who is in no way overrated Papa) But of the teams listed, NOBODY losses less talent than the Mustangs. When you have 5 of 6 blue liners and 11 of 12 forwards plus one of the best goalies in the state returning from a State Championship team, I think it's resonable to say that they may be the favorites in those games next year. On top of that, they beat CDH and East last year head to head and also beat Moorhead 5-0 in a pre season scrimmage in Moorhead! The funny thing is if Breck were a AA school, I'd bet most of the AA bigots would agree with the concept. I stand behind the statement and go ahead and send me the $20 bucks you wanted to bet when I predicted a 20+ win season that you were so confident wouldn't happen! Being that your such the gambler, and me being the fair guy that I am, I'll go double or nothing again this year on a 20+ win seasion and put some side action on your bold "heard it here first" nonsense about them not making it out of sections.

In a way, they are a AA team, I'm sure all the players would be going to AA schools if they were going to their community's public schools! Nice All-Star teams the privates have!
Typical, way to turn a decent post into the inevitable.

Fact is if Breck wants to play AA schools, get the school to step up a class. That is how AHA, CDH, BSM and HM have done it.....

Of course they wouldn't do that, because they would get pummeled in all the sports they don't concentrate having All-Star teams in!

Post by **karl(east)** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 10:09 pm

summer wrote:
Zamman wrote: Typical, way to turn a decent post into the inevitable.

Fact is if Breck wants to play AA schools, get the school to step up a class. That is how AHA, CDH, BSM and HM have done it.....
Of course they wouldn't do that, because they would get pummeled in all the sports they don't concentrate having All-Star teams in!

A school can opt up in as many or as few sports as it would like. So that has nothing to do with it.

But now, let's get this thread back on topic.

summer · Post by **summer** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:52 am

karl(east) wrote:
summer wrote:
Zamman wrote: Typical, way to turn a decent post into the inevitable.

Fact is if Breck wants to play AA schools, get the school to step up a class. That is how AHA, CDH, BSM and HM have done it.....
Of course they wouldn't do that, because they would get pummeled in all the sports they don't concentrate having All-Star teams in!
A school can opt up in as many or as few sports as it would like. So that has nothing to do with it.

But now, let's get this thread back on topic.

And the topic is: Which high schools with large student populations; like Eden Prairie and Blaine, or great traditions; like Edina and Duluth East, or private All-star teams will make it to the tournament.

Post by **east hockey** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:51 am

summer, quit clogging up threads with your anti-private school crap. While I'm not a big fan of private schools, you're taking this to a pathetic level.

Lee

thorhockey · Post by **thorhockey** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:34 pm

Besides, there will be plenty of room and reasons to rip on the privates during the regular season. For now just relax and enjoy the summer away from hockey and this forum.... like me (a pathetic Hill hater) I:-----)

summer · Post by **summer** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:10 am

thorhockey wrote:Besides, there will be plenty of room and reasons to rip on the privates during the regular season. For now just relax and enjoy the summer away from hockey and this forum.... like me (a pathetic Hill hater) I:-----)

I am not a private school hater! I just don't think it is fair that they can create All-star teams and compete with public schools when it matters (conference, section and state). I think they have every right in the world to create All-star teams, but then they should compete with each other. It would be like all the kids who go to Wisconsin to play AAA hockey instead of their local association hockey, if those teams could cross the border to play against Minnesota association teams, would that be fair?

I just think it is a waste of time ooing and aahing over private school teams, they are All-star teams, that's all they are, so what!