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We had 3 98's and 3 returning 97's

My apologies, glad ya cleared that up. Very skilled group of girls!

Can my sons aaa team play in a girls tourney? I will never understand why my daughter was able to play with the boys and my son can play with the girls. Isn't that fair. Could care less a girls team won. Give it 4 years replay the game. Good luck ladies.

Thanks for all the comments. Exactly what I was looking for. On page two in about 24 hours. Awesome.

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One of the reason why I say the refs were in favor of the Express is the ref called one of our players for checking. And for the first time ever I have seen, reversed the call because he realized checking was allowed. I thought our coach handled the situation very calm and collected instead of flipping out. Also, the checking from behind called on us in the second game wasn't a solid call I feel. This is my opinion. You have your opinion, it is not a fact. Regarding facts, when I checked the birth sheets of the players of the teams with the Breezy Point officials, to the best of my recollection, there was only two players listed at 98's unless you are saying the goalie was a 98 in addition to the other two.

InigoMontoya The caliber of team I was expecting was to be higher. Looking at the teams before the tourneys when the schedule was released, I told fellow parents I thought the Reebox Express would be the best team, a bunch of ringers from the cities. We did not know it would be a girls team. The girls team generally knew what to expect and came in with a great attitude and ended with a great attitude. You have to keep in mind we did not expect to be playing a girls team so we were in a bit of shock when we found out. And yes, JSR, it could of been worse, the girls games were the best games for sure and no offense taken.

I have never watched an entire girls game before, and like I said in my first two posts BigHead, I was impressed with their play and guts to have a go against the boys. Don't let the other comments detract from my first two posts. Like I said before, I just don't feel it is right. I would suggest playing in a 96 tourney to see how this skilled group of young ladies would fair against better competition instead of against boys.

One last comment, I got a chuckle out of the girls asking our boys what number they were after the game, are you on facebook etc. all that 12-13 yr old stuff. It was funny and weird at the same time considering they had just played each other in a hockey game.

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woodstick wrote:Thanks for all the comments. Exactly what I was looking for. On page two in about 24 hours. Awesome.

Regarding facts, when I checked the birth sheets of the players of the teams with the Breezy Point officials, to the best of my recollection, there was only two players listed at 98's unless you are saying the goalie was a 98 in addition to the other two.


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Your that guy.

I'm not surprised to hear a girls team played boys in hte summer, but I am surprised by two things:

1) the girls beat some of the teams! ("AAA"? Sounds like the AAA team I saw this weekend in Massachusetts. B2 at best!)
2) this happened at an age where boys are probably interested in the girls. 12-years-old, right? Not eight or nine.

I'll throw something out there, since a comment was made about never seeing a girls' game: girls' hockey is not a non-contact sport; it is non-checking, but there is plenty of contact. Skating through the stick, maintaining your occupied space/lane, pushing the opponent off the puck, etc. all are part of the girls game. Having a 12U team play against boys to get them over the contact issue is not a new concept. The Ice Cougars played in a PWB MASH league this spring; I haven't heard of any complaints nor any whining.

There are plenty of throw-together teams that play in Breezy. Kids and parents go up there to have a good time. There can certainly be some good players there, but if the Loons are looking to test themselves against the best, then lesson learned. I know you guys are new, but maybe ask a question or two - the hockey community is pretty small, you could have received some good advice before the canucks drove six hours.

While these girls are gaining their valuable experience with a more physical game whats in it for the boys? If they win they don't prove anything and if they loose well then their manhood is challenged (nice touch with boys this age). Asking a 12/13 year old boy to deal with this in a full check tourney, let alone their parents is out of line. Obviously these were not the Machine or Blades but they also didn't go to breezy to play the top teams. Taking the best girls players up to play B and C level boys skaters, I really hope this is not a trend.

Cen Red I would bet you have told about every person who will listen about how your daughter beat a boys bantam team. I'm sure you will have some big denial of that but from the tone of your post you wont convince many of otherwise. You can play in girls tourneys at some great locations throughout the state so save the sappy family vacation stuff for somewhere else, you picked a boys tourney that had a lower level of competition. I think Duluth was looking for teams to fill the U14 bracket on the board two weeks ago. If you really need to there are plenty of 3 vs 3 no check leagues in the summer that mix boys and girls teams (Hat Trick and Velocity that I know of).

I have 2 daughters that play and I am a huge supporter of Girls playing hockey, I support girls being allowed to choose to play on the youth side, but this is entirely different and I hope that we don't see it continue. I watched the best Womens team in the world barely beat a mediocre Hopkins boys varsity team this winter (3-2). We can create equality in opportunity but there is no equality is physiology.

InigoMontoya wrote: There can certainly be some good players there, but if the Loons are looking to test themselves against the best, then lesson learned..

don't be fooled...they knew what was there

breezy point was run by Northland hockey the parent company of the Loons, Gulls, Owls, Bucks etc....

Northland provides summer hockey opprotunity to a lot of kids which is good...but collectively as teams they are not near ready for "top" competition...it is not "AAA"

black sheep wrote:breezy point was run by Northland hockey the parent company of the Loons, Gulls, Owls, Bucks etc....

Really? I think he Breezy Point folks will be shocked and suprised that Northland is now running their tournaments. Just because a organization enters multiple teams in an event does not mean they "run" it.

I have been preparing our team for the '98 tournament there this weekend and I am dealing with Breezy Point people, not Northland.

This weekend's schedule is a lot better than the described '97 bracket. Not the Minnesota Meltdown Invite or the Stars and Stripes but 10 teams including the Breakaway Gophers, Snipers, Bauer Vapor, Grizzlies (this team has a couple of girls, one is a defenseman and one of the best players on the team), Loons, Ice Edge, Lakers, Sharks, CCM Monopoly, and Ice Bucks. None of these teams are going to win the Stanley Cup, but a nice open tournament for 11 and 12 year olds. I know we are looking forward to it.

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Air Force 1 wrote:

black sheep wrote:breezy point was run by Northland hockey the parent company of the Loons, Gulls, Owls, Bucks etc....

Really? I think he Breezy Point folks will be shocked and suprised that Northland is now running their tournaments. Just because a organization enters multiple teams in an event does not mean they "run" it.

Yep...my mistake...i stand corrected...I lumped it in with thinking of the miken & their festivals where all of the NH teams played

I have to say I was expecting the girls team to be totally out of place at this tournament at Breezy, but was pleasantly surprised. My son plays for the 97 Loons who are pretty strong team finishing second at the international cup, third in the pepsis cup and winning Breezy. The girls team might hesitate before entering one of the bigger, competitive boys tournaments but they provided the best competition of the weekend. I was extremely impressed how they took the hits and got back up. The loons probably should have skipped Breezy this year, but the girls definately would have taken the tournament had they not been there. I have to mention I was also impressed with the class of the girl players at the end approaching each one of our kids and shaking their hands as they collected their gold medals. Hard to criticize a silver medal team that attends a tournament they can compete in!!

murray wrote:Can my sons aaa team play in a girls tourney? I will never understand why my daughter was able to play with the boys and my son can't play with the girls. Isn't that fair. Could care less a girls team won. Give it 4 years replay the game. Good luck ladies.

I think we all know the answer to this one. I must have read about it 200 times on the web-site.

murray wrote:Can my sons aaa team play in a girls tourney? I will never understand why my daughter was able to play with the boys and my son can play with the girls. Isn't that fair. Could care less a girls team won. Give it 4 years replay the game. Good luck ladies.

Why? Do you want your sons to play on a girls team?

Personally, I don't care if girls register for boys tournaments - as long as they are playing under the same rules, what's the problem?

Why would some-one want to play a boys team in a girls tourn. As far as the girls in a weaker boys event, if they can play competitive hockey who cares?

muckandgrind wrote:

murray wrote:Can my sons aaa team play in a girls tourney? I will never understand why my daughter was able to play with the boys and my son can play with the girls. Isn't that fair. Could care less a girls team won. Give it 4 years replay the game. Good luck ladies.

Why? Do you want your sons to play on a girls team?

Personally, I don't care if girls register for boys tournaments - as long as they are playing under the same rules, what's the problem?

The problem Muck is that girls playing in a boys tourney illustrates the double standard that Murray wrote about. All facts aside about the girls team being able to compete with and actually beat some of the boys teams - it still stands that double standards like this just end up causing controversy whichever side you are on. It's like association hockey - YOUTH teams and GIRLS teams but no BOYS teams. In my opinion it's not right - I don't care how good a particular girl or team of girls is - that shouldn't necessarily give them the right to play vs boys teams. In this particular case all the boys teams should have at the very least been notified to give them the option playing or not.

This is silly! wrote:

muckandgrind wrote:

murray wrote:Can my sons aaa team play in a girls tourney? I will never understand why my daughter was able to play with the boys and my son can play with the girls. Isn't that fair. Could care less a girls team won. Give it 4 years replay the game. Good luck ladies.

Why? Do you want your sons to play on a girls team?

Personally, I don't care if girls register for boys tournaments - as long as they are playing under the same rules, what's the problem?

The problem Muck is that girls playing in a boys tourney illustrates the double standard that Murray wrote about. All facts aside about the girls team being able to compete with and actually beat some of the boys teams - it still stands that double standards like this just end up causing controversy whichever side you are on. It's like association hockey - YOUTH teams and GIRLS teams but no BOYS teams. In my opinion it's not right - I don't care how good a particular girl or team of girls is - that shouldn't necessarily give them the right to play vs boys teams. In this particular case all the boys teams should have at the very least been notified to give them the option playing or not.

This IS silly

This is silly! wrote:

muckandgrind wrote:

murray wrote:Can my sons aaa team play in a girls tourney? I will never understand why my daughter was able to play with the boys and my son can play with the girls. Isn't that fair. Could care less a girls team won. Give it 4 years replay the game. Good luck ladies.

Why? Do you want your sons to play on a girls team?

Personally, I don't care if girls register for boys tournaments - as long as they are playing under the same rules, what's the problem?

The problem Muck is that girls playing in a boys tourney illustrates the double standard that Murray wrote about. All facts aside about the girls team being able to compete with and actually beat some of the boys teams - it still stands that double standards like this just end up causing controversy whichever side you are on. It's like association hockey - YOUTH teams and GIRLS teams but no BOYS teams. In my opinion it's not right - I don't care how good a particular girl or team of girls is - that shouldn't necessarily give them the right to play vs boys teams. In this particular case all the boys teams should have at the very least been notified to give them the option playing or not.

Here's the difference......there are fewer girls playing than boys...and with the fewer girls, there is a much wider range of talent among them. Some girls are simply too skilled to play at the level of girls hockey offered to them, so the opportunity to step it up and play at the boys level will help in their development. Is that so wrong? Most of the top HS girls in the state played boys hockey up until the Bantam age...why? Because playing girls hockey wouldn't have provided them with much challenge at all.

Once the number of opportunties and options available to the top girls increase, I think you see the number of girls playing with boys decrease.

Why would you (or your team) be uncomfortable playing against girls? I've seen girls play on boy's teams for quite some time and they get hit just like anyone else....no one takes it easy on them, and they shouldn't.

This is silly! wrote:

muckandgrind wrote:

murray wrote:Can my sons aaa team play in a girls tourney? I will never understand why my daughter was able to play with the boys and my son can play with the girls. Isn't that fair. Could care less a girls team won. Give it 4 years replay the game. Good luck ladies.

Why? Do you want your sons to play on a girls team?

Personally, I don't care if girls register for boys tournaments - as long as they are playing under the same rules, what's the problem?

The problem Muck is that girls playing in a boys tourney illustrates the double standard that Murray wrote about. All facts aside about the girls team being able to compete with and actually beat some of the boys teams - it still stands that double standards like this just end up causing controversy whichever side you are on. It's like association hockey - YOUTH teams and GIRLS teams but no BOYS teams. In my opinion it's not right - I don't care how good a particular girl or team of girls is - that shouldn't necessarily give them the right to play vs boys teams. In this particular case all the boys teams should have at the very least been notified to give them the option playing or not.

It is amazing the amount of complaining about a 2nd place team not belonging.
Here are some more excuses you can use when you lose:
The other team was from the Sunbelt.
Their kids were using wood sticks.
Their jerseys were over 1 year old.
Their goalie was wearing glasses.
They are an open level team and this is an invite tournament.

Honestly, complain if they were a doormat. But complaining about being duped into playing a second place team is pathetic.

spin-o-rama wrote:

This is silly! wrote:

muckandgrind wrote: Why? Do you want your sons to play on a girls team?

Personally, I don't care if girls register for boys tournaments - as long as they are playing under the same rules, what's the problem?

The problem Muck is that girls playing in a boys tourney illustrates the double standard that Murray wrote about. All facts aside about the girls team being able to compete with and actually beat some of the boys teams - it still stands that double standards like this just end up causing controversy whichever side you are on. It's like association hockey - YOUTH teams and GIRLS teams but no BOYS teams. In my opinion it's not right - I don't care how good a particular girl or team of girls is - that shouldn't necessarily give them the right to play vs boys teams. In this particular case all the boys teams should have at the very least been notified to give them the option playing or not.

It is amazing the amount of complaining about a 2nd place team not belonging.
Here are some more excuses you can use when you lose:
The other team was from the Sunbelt.
Their kids were using wood sticks.
Their jerseys were over 1 year old.
Their goalie was wearing glasses.
They are an open level team and this is an invite tournament.

Honestly, complain if they were a doormat. But complaining about being duped into playing a second place team is pathetic.

Nobody is complaining about if they belong Spin - just stating their OPINION. Second place team or not, is it such a bad thing to notify the other teams that there is an all girls team playing? I don't think so - you may think differently - that's fine. What if the tourney director decided to make it a "no checking" tourney and didn't notify all the teams or if one of the teams was a year class younger? Is that any different? I bet my mortgage that you would want to know if that were the case. Quit being so sensitive - it's AMAZING how SENSITIVE people are!

That's you silly.

observer wrote:That's you silly.

Funny, I'm not the one with 500+ posts.

muckandgrind wrote:

This is silly! wrote:

muckandgrind wrote: Why? Do you want your sons to play on a girls team?

Personally, I don't care if girls register for boys tournaments - as long as they are playing under the same rules, what's the problem?

The problem Muck is that girls playing in a boys tourney illustrates the double standard that Murray wrote about. All facts aside about the girls team being able to compete with and actually beat some of the boys teams - it still stands that double standards like this just end up causing controversy whichever side you are on. It's like association hockey - YOUTH teams and GIRLS teams but no BOYS teams. In my opinion it's not right - I don't care how good a particular girl or team of girls is - that shouldn't necessarily give them the right to play vs boys teams. In this particular case all the boys teams should have at the very least been notified to give them the option playing or not.

Here's the difference......there are fewer girls playing than boys...and with the fewer girls, there is a much wider range of talent among them. Some girls are simply too skilled to play at the level of girls hockey offered to them, so the opportunity to step it up and play at the boys level will help in their development. Is that so wrong? Most of the top HS girls in the state played boys hockey up until the Bantam age...why? Because playing girls hockey wouldn't have provided them with much challenge at all.

Once the number of opportunties and options available to the top girls increase, I think you see the number of girls playing with boys decrease.

Why would you (or your team) be uncomfortable playing against girls? I've seen girls play on boy's teams for quite some time and they get hit just like anyone else....no one takes it easy on them, and they shouldn't.

Don't you think that the level of play of girls hockey would advance quicker if the best girls stayed on girls teams instead of going over to play on a boys team? If the best girls aren't playing on the girls teams then who is raising the bar so that the level of play elevates? Seems logical to me.

Also, I don't think that because there are fewer girls playing that there is a wider range of talent - actually I would say it's just the opposite!

Lastly, my opinion here of course so don't everyone go off the deep end on me here, I think that it's hard for ANY boy to play his best, hit his hardest or however you may want to phrase it when they (he) is playing vs a girl or a team of girls. It's simply human nature and I don't think it can be completely turned on or off. Unless the boys are playing vs Olympic level female talent I just don't think you are getting their "best" effort. It's just not apples to apples.

the sad fact is girls hockey entered, we didnt increase the number of rinks in minny to follow suit. boys ice time was cut
before there was girls hockey we had a few that played, were very good. but as people pushed for a girls league, girls high school teams etc etc.....
let them play there. no disrespect.

there are always people spouting off on what they feel is fair. this is no different.

let the posting commence