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The Other Bash Brother wrote: That depth means that MN makes an all star team from 50 guys and WI makes their team from 22. The top guys out of MN's 50 will be better than Wi's top 22.
If you deny that you probably went to St. Thomas or some other weak minded private school.

How do you come to this conclusion? Does having 50 guys give MN a larger pool to choose from, of course. But does it mean our top 15 are going to be better than WI's top 15 JUST because they have a smaller pool to chose from? No. It increases the chances but in no way is it a certainty. If we're making a second and third "all-star" team everyone agrees that MN would more than likely handle WI easily. Quantity does not automatically equate to better quality on ONE team though.

darkhorse wrote:

The Other Bash Brother wrote: That depth means that MN makes an all star team from 50 guys and WI makes their team from 22. The top guys out of MN's 50 will be better than Wi's top 22.
If you deny that you probably went to St. Thomas or some other weak minded private school.

How do you come to this conclusion? Does having 50 guys give MN a larger pool to choose from, of course. But does it mean our top 15 are going to be better than WI's top 15 JUST because they have a smaller pool to chose from? No. It increases the chances but in no way is it a certainty. If we're making a second and third "all-star" team everyone agrees that MN would more than likely handle WI easily. Quantity does not automatically equate to better quality on ONE team though.

The numbers seem to be more like 7 to 1 for elite players.

-Nearly half of the Wisconsin list played in the Elite league for the ONE Wisconsin team- They were a mid range team.

-Minnesota had FIVE teams and quite a few kids that played for SSM at different levels.

- Add in the numerous MN kids that have gone other routes.........What do you get..........? If all of these kids came back to form a High School -in season- elite league, you would have 6-7 Minnesota teams. You would still have "one" competitive Wisconsin team that Might contend for a title against SEVEN MN teams. If you cut the seven down to three loaded teams (the best) then Wisconsin's chances get close to zero. The percentages only go down from there.

MrBoDangles wrote:

darkhorse wrote:

The Other Bash Brother wrote: That depth means that MN makes an all star team from 50 guys and WI makes their team from 22. The top guys out of MN's 50 will be better than Wi's top 22.
If you deny that you probably went to St. Thomas or some other weak minded private school.

How do you come to this conclusion? Does having 50 guys give MN a larger pool to choose from, of course. But does it mean our top 15 are going to be better than WI's top 15 JUST because they have a smaller pool to chose from? No. It increases the chances but in no way is it a certainty. If we're making a second and third "all-star" team everyone agrees that MN would more than likely handle WI easily. Quantity does not automatically equate to better quality on ONE team though.

The numbers seem to be more like 7 to 1 for elite players.

-Nearly half of the Wisconsin list played in the Elite league for the ONE Wisconsin team- They were a mid range team.

-Minnesota had FIVE teams and quite a few kids that played for SSM at different levels.

- Add in the numerous MN kids that have gone other routes.........What do you get..........? If all of these kids came back to form a High School -in season- elite league, you would have 6-7 Minnesota teams. You would still have "one" competitive Wisconsin team that Might contend for a title against SEVEN MN teams. If you cut the seven down to three loaded teams (the best) then Wisconsin's chances get close to zero. The percentages only go down from there.

Are you counting just Wisconsin High School or including Midget Major teams in WI as well? - (actually I think there's only 1 WI Tier 1 team anyway, but that has to help a little....)

AlterEagle wrote:

MrBoDangles wrote:

darkhorse wrote: How do you come to this conclusion? Does having 50 guys give MN a larger pool to choose from, of course. But does it mean our top 15 are going to be better than WI's top 15 JUST because they have a smaller pool to chose from? No. It increases the chances but in no way is it a certainty. If we're making a second and third "all-star" team everyone agrees that MN would more than likely handle WI easily. Quantity does not automatically equate to better quality on ONE team though.

The numbers seem to be more like 7 to 1 for elite players.

-Nearly half of the Wisconsin list played in the Elite league for the ONE Wisconsin team- They were a mid range team.

-Minnesota had FIVE teams and quite a few kids that played for SSM at different levels.

- Add in the numerous MN kids that have gone other routes.........What do you get..........? If all of these kids came back to form a High School -in season- elite league, you would have 6-7 Minnesota teams. You would still have "one" competitive Wisconsin team that Might contend for a title against SEVEN MN teams. If you cut the seven down to three loaded teams (the best) then Wisconsin's chances get close to zero. The percentages only go down from there.

Are you counting just Wisconsin High School or including Midget Major teams in WI as well? - (actually I think there's only 1 WI Tier 1 team anyway, but that has to help a little....)

His list was made from all Wisconsin players.

MrBoDangles wrote:

darkhorse wrote:

The Other Bash Brother wrote: That depth means that MN makes an all star team from 50 guys and WI makes their team from 22. The top guys out of MN's 50 will be better than Wi's top 22.
If you deny that you probably went to St. Thomas or some other weak minded private school.

How do you come to this conclusion? Does having 50 guys give MN a larger pool to choose from, of course. But does it mean our top 15 are going to be better than WI's top 15 JUST because they have a smaller pool to chose from? No. It increases the chances but in no way is it a certainty. If we're making a second and third "all-star" team everyone agrees that MN would more than likely handle WI easily. Quantity does not automatically equate to better quality on ONE team though.

The numbers seem to be more like 7 to 1 for elite players.

-Nearly half of the Wisconsin list played in the Elite league for the ONE Wisconsin team- They were a mid range team.

-Minnesota had FIVE teams and quite a few kids that played for SSM at different levels.

- Add in the numerous MN kids that have gone other routes.........What do you get..........? If all of these kids came back to form a High School -in season- elite league, you would have 6-7 Minnesota teams. You would still have "one" competitive Wisconsin team that Might contend for a title against SEVEN MN teams. If you cut the seven down to three loaded teams (the best) then Wisconsin's chances get close to zero. The percentages only go down from there.

The first constructive post from BoDangles in a while, maybe forever, and he's on a roll with another.

This is a very valid point. The question I would have, since I don't know, is how you get invited, how often people are invited and don't go, etc.

From just hearing what you are saying, with their being 8 teams, it sounds like it would be played in MN, and only one WI team. Is there only one WI team for lack of talent, or is it lack on invitation for more, or lack on interest on their part?

Great direction for the discussion.

HShockeywatcher wrote:

MrBoDangles wrote:

darkhorse wrote: How do you come to this conclusion? Does having 50 guys give MN a larger pool to choose from, of course. But does it mean our top 15 are going to be better than WI's top 15 JUST because they have a smaller pool to chose from? No. It increases the chances but in no way is it a certainty. If we're making a second and third "all-star" team everyone agrees that MN would more than likely handle WI easily. Quantity does not automatically equate to better quality on ONE team though.

The numbers seem to be more like 7 to 1 for elite players.

-Nearly half of the Wisconsin list played in the Elite league for the ONE Wisconsin team- They were a mid range team.

-Minnesota had FIVE teams and quite a few kids that played for SSM at different levels.

- Add in the numerous MN kids that have gone other routes.........What do you get..........? If all of these kids came back to form a High School -in season- elite league, you would have 6-7 Minnesota teams. You would still have "one" competitive Wisconsin team that Might contend for a title against SEVEN MN teams. If you cut the seven down to three loaded teams (the best) then Wisconsin's chances get close to zero. The percentages only go down from there.

The first constructive post from BoDangles in a while, maybe forever, and he's on a roll with another.

This is a very valid point. The question I would have, since I don't know, is how you get invited, how often people are invited and don't go, etc.

From just hearing what you are saying, with their being 8 teams, it sounds like it would be played in MN, and only one WI team. Is there only one WI team for lack of talent, or is it lack on invitation for more, or lack on interest on their part?

Great direction for the discussion.

Thanks!

This puts me over you one to nill in constructive posts then..........

I think it's funny that the people who are arguing that Minnesota would run away with this are being labeled homers. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. You had to expect these types of answers when you asked, so why ask if you're going to get upset with the responses. Would you prefer that we lie?

It is my opinion that, a majority of years Minnesota would dominate Wisconsin. Minnesota produces more and better top-end talent. Just look at the number of NHL players produced by each state. This not only proves Minnesota has more depth, but better high-end talent.

Neither MN or WI produces 15 NHL calibur players in a given year, but MN generally produces more a majority of years. So, the Minnesota teams will likely have more NHL caliber players on it's team a majority of years.

And while it's an absolute certainty that MN would fill out the remainder of it's roster with D1 players, it isn't a certainty that WI will produce at least 15 D1 players every year.

So, in my opinion, while it may be close some years, and WI may even field a superior team once every blue moon, I think the best MN players decidedly beat the best WI players a majority of the time.

JDUBBS1280 wrote:I think it's funny that the people who are arguing that Minnesota would run away with this are being labeled homers. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. You had to expect these types of answers when you asked, so why ask if you're going to get upset with the responses. Would you prefer that we lie?

It is my opinion that, a majority of years Minnesota would dominate Wisconsin. Minnesota produces more and better top-end talent. Just look at the number of NHL players produced by each state. This not only proves Minnesota has more depth, but better high-end talent.

Neither MN or WI produces 15 NHL calibur players in a given year, but MN generally produces more a majority of years. So, the Minnesota teams will likely have more NHL caliber players on it's team a majority of years.

And while it's an absolute certainty that MN would fill out the remainder of it's roster with D1 players, it isn't a certainty that WI will produce at least 15 D1 players every year.

So, in my opinion, while it may be close some years, and WI may even field a superior team once every blue moon, I think the best MN players decidedly beat the best WI players a majority of the time.

I take issue with the word "dominate", I think it would be a rare year for either team to ever "dominate" the other in this hypothetical scenario, the players are just too good on either side regardless of their "future" outcome for either to "dominate". I agree MN would win the series more often than not but dominate is just too strong a word IMHO

You're right, "dominate" is probably a strong word, but I do think Minnesota has a distinct advantage in both the depth of talent and the quality of talent at the top end. I think a vast majority of years MN would beat WI should they play.

wisconsin wins year in and year out and DOMINATES!!!

Not sure why this is even a debate. It's a numbers thing. Minnesota had 53,450 players registered with USA Hockey last year and Wisconsin had 17,697. California had more registered players than Wisconsin with 20,404.