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scoreandscoreoften wrote:No Fire, Machine parent will comment and risk their kid being kicked off the team.

HockeyDad41 wrote:I have spent a ton of time at MM over the last couple of years and I've seen all sorts of Machine and Fire teams practice. The practices that I saw were run efficiently and at a very high level. The kids I see running around down there are all smiling and sweaty. The parents (easy to pick em out because of the orange apparel) all seem pretty happy too. I have seen Bernie around and have talked to him on several occasions, I have even seen him strongly disagree with a parent of a non-machine skater once.

So when I hear these rumors about a kid having to suck his thumb at center ice, I think of it in terms of what I have experienced down there and I don't immediately think it's BS, but I do wonder what the context of the discipline was? I have seen tons of push ups and knee bends down there and there doesn't seem to be any uproar about it.

From what I have seen from BM, if a skater is not doing a drill correctly, he has no problem spending time having them do it over and over again until it is done correctly. The other thing I have seen is that he doesn't have time or patience for kids who screw around when they are supposed to be paying attention.

If there was a situation where a kid was out there at center ice sucking his thumb, I would bet that it isn't part of some on going evil plan to destroy the childs self confidence and ruin him as a hockey player. I suspect that it isn't nearly as big of a deal as some on this board would like it to be.

hotsauce wrote:

HockeyDad41 wrote:I have spent a ton of time at MM over the last couple of years and I've seen all sorts of Machine and Fire teams practice. The practices that I saw were run efficiently and at a very high level. The kids I see running around down there are all smiling and sweaty. The parents (easy to pick em out because of the orange apparel) all seem pretty happy too. I have seen Bernie around and have talked to him on several occasions, I have even seen him strongly disagree with a parent of a non-machine skater once.

So when I hear these rumors about a kid having to suck his thumb at center ice, I think of it in terms of what I have experienced down there and I don't immediately think it's BS, but I do wonder what the context of the discipline was? I have seen tons of push ups and knee bends down there and there doesn't seem to be any uproar about it.

From what I have seen from BM, if a skater is not doing a drill correctly, he has no problem spending time having them do it over and over again until it is done correctly. The other thing I have seen is that he doesn't have time or patience for kids who screw around when they are supposed to be paying attention.

If there was a situation where a kid was out there at center ice sucking his thumb, I would bet that it isn't part of some on going evil plan to destroy the childs self confidence and ruin him as a hockey player. I suspect that it isn't nearly as big of a deal as some on this board would like it to be.

So, if your boy was on the ice and messed up a drill and was made to go to center ice without a helmet and suck his thumb, while being laughed at by his peers, you would accept that as a good teaching tool? Not trying to start a huge argument, just curious.

trippedovertheblueline wrote:[


I believe this team is USA hockey registered? I don't think a player can execute a on ice activity without a helmet on? So I would think this is a made up story.

HockeyDad41 wrote:I have spent a ton of time at MM over the last couple of years and I've seen all sorts of Machine and Fire teams practice. The practices that I saw were run efficiently and at a very high level. The kids I see running around down there are all smiling and sweaty. The parents (easy to pick em out because of the orange apparel) all seem pretty happy too. I have seen Bernie around and have talked to him on several occasions, I have even seen him strongly disagree with a parent of a non-machine skater once.

So when I hear these rumors about a kid having to suck his thumb at center ice, I think of it in terms of what I have experienced down there and I don't immediately think it's BS, but I do wonder what the context of the discipline was? I have seen tons of push ups and knee bends down there and there doesn't seem to be any uproar about it.

From what I have seen from BM, if a skater is not doing a drill correctly, he has no problem spending time having them do it over and over again until it is done correctly. The other thing I have seen is that he doesn't have time or patience for kids who screw around when they are supposed to be paying attention.

If there was a situation where a kid was out there at center ice sucking his thumb, I would bet that it isn't part of some on going evil plan to destroy the childs self confidence and ruin him as a hockey player. I suspect that

it isn't nearly as big of a deal as some on this board would like it to be.[/

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HD41 put YOUR kid out at center ice and I bet it's a big deal now. It seems to me that MM parents seem to turn their heads when it's someone else's kid, "if I didn't see it, it didn't happen". The bigger question is this: You finally get fed up with BM antics and you pull your kid from the 99 Fire team...where do you go know? Remember the 99's didn't get a waiver from MN Hockey and can't simply go back to their associations. No, they must sit out a year or go spend a ton of money and fly around the country playing for a legitimate Tier 1 team. Fire parents find themselves in a real Catch 22-subject your kid to further BM antics or protect him and pull him off the team and sit the rest of the year and the next. Not going to say I told you so, but...

elliott70 wrote:

trippedovertheblueline wrote:[


I believe this team is USA hockey registered? I don't think a player can execute a on ice activity without a helmet on? So I would think this is a made up story.

MM are not USAH registered teams.

OrangeKoolaid wrote:Who cares if MM buys $20 jerseys? If you put Crosby in a $20 jersey it's still Crosby! If you put a lousy kid in a $200 jersey he is still lousy. Maybe each team at MM can buy an extra 10 hours of ice with the money they save because they wear $20 jerseys.

OrangeKoolaid wrote:Okay MrBoBoma I was waiting for your next comment to be that we need to spread the wealth and take from Bernie and redistribute to D6. Why do you care what Bernie makes? If he is giving the kids 10 extra hours of ice and pocketing an additional $80K by going with cheap jerseys then good for Bernie! I think you should contact the local ACORN office and sign up because you would make a good recruit. You need to wake up!

HOTG - Why would the 99's need a waiver?

There is a former 98 Fire player now playing for Burnsville Pee Wee A's and he didn't sit out.

The reason you have 2 former 98's flying all over the country is because they would like to play hockey at a higher level then their associations can provide them. Do you really think that they have no other option but to fly all over the country or play "B" association hockey? I guess if their parents can swing the expense then good for them.

OrangeKoolaid wrote:HOTG - Why would the 99's need a waiver? There is a former 98 Fire player now playing for Burnsville Pee Wee A's and he didn't sit out. The reason you have 2 former 98's flying all over the country is because they would like to play hockey at a higher level then their associations can provide them. Do you really think that they have no other option but to fly all over the country or play "B" association hockey? I guess if their parents can swing the expense then good for them.

OrangeKoolaid wrote:Okay MrBoBoma I was waiting for your next comment to be that we need to spread the wealth and take from Bernie and redistribute to D6. Why do you care what Bernie makes? If he is giving the kids 10 extra hours of ice and pocketing an additional $80K by going with cheap jerseys then good for Bernie! I think you should contact the local ACORN office and sign up because you would make a good recruit. You need to wake up!

HOTG - Why would the 99's need a waiver? There is a former 98 Fire player now playing for Burnsville Pee Wee A's and he didn't sit out. The reason you have 2 former 98's flying all over the country is because they would like to play hockey at a higher level then their associations can provide them. Do you really think that they have no other option but to fly all over the country or play "B" association hockey? I guess if their parents can swing the expense then good for them.

OrangeKoolaid wrote:HOTG - Then how are Choice kids able to come back into their associations without waiting 12 months?

OrangeKoolaid wrote:HOTG - The Fire now have Tier 1 status and because the players are not making a lateral move they can come back to association hockey without having to play at the "B" level.

With regard to D6, they are going to lose the legal battle and strengthen MN Made's position.