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INIGO- I'm talking about the last year of bantams.[after fire is done] Unless they play a midget schedule. We have had kids come back to F.L. under same circumstaces. And we were glad to have them. [Kohls]

I think it's time to to leave MM Hockey and the Fire alone. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of either program, but they do provide OPTIONS for parents - whether we like it or not. Something MN Hockey does not.

If you don't like their programs, don't support them. Take that a step further and don't scrimmage them. But please stop bashing them for providing parents the opportunity to push their kids as they see fit.

I don't see any threads condemning parents for putting kids in Montessori schools, it's okay to send kids to private schools, why not be able to send kids to other options than the monopoly of MN Hockey?

I support community based hockey - I think it's great that communities can build an infrastructure for kids to play and use that as a tool to further enhance their community offerings. However, MN hockey is skating on thin ice if they think that they can hold onto their control without recognizing the need to provide a Tier 1 option for families that choose it.

Let them play hockey. We lost a kid to Shattuck and good luck to him - I hope he really goes a long way. We miss him locally but that's the choice we all make as parents and thankfully there are choices available.

After all... It's just kids hockey

old goalie85 wrote:INIGO- I'm talking about the last year of bantams.[after fire is done] Unless they play a midget schedule. We have had kids come back to F.L. under same circumstaces. And we were glad to have them. [Kohls]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't 2nd year bantams the ninth grade for most kids? Are you telling me that a high school coach is going to tell a kid coming from the Fire program, "Sorry kid, I'm not even going to carry you on the JV. You'll have to take your skates off and not put them back on again for 12 months. If I see the slightest hint of ice shavings on the blades, it'll be the end of high school hockey for you." I'm not buying that argument OG. If the Fire parents and coaches could keep it together that long, there would be a dozen high schools asking the kid to come skate there. This rule is indicative of the MH mindset overall: we don't like what you're doing, so we're going to try to punish you for doing it, and there is nothing you can do about it because we are the monopoly of Minnesota Hockey. First, they aren't doing anything detrimental to those kids (thumb sucking aside); second, if they'd allow them to come back, most of them would (and have in the past, most Fire teams fall apart at the bantam age as kids figure out where they want to go to high school, then head back to association hockey to start down that path). I've heard a whole bunch of belly-aching from some folks on here about how rotten the Fire is and how those kids are now going to get what they deserve. That is a giant crock of BS. There is absolutely nothing in the MH (or D2 or D6) rule that is in the best interest of any child playing hockey - not the ones that stayed in the association, certainly not the ones that play for the Fire, and not even the little kids today that have parents on the edge of the decision of whether or not to sign them up for a mite program. After reading all of this garbage, I certainly wouldn't sign up for 1o years of this crap.

Like I said we were MORE than happy to have them back.[It's only been two kids in the last eight to ten years.] And yes I think the rule is wrong. My point is if No status the kids will have ta sit. Change the rule,or get status or whatever. You are right sometimes in all of this fire /Bernie PLEASE BAN ME the kids get left out and that sucks. Most highschool coaches would find a spot, or could loose the kid to Hill.[like his older bro] In this case the kids were allowed to play Bantam.

itsjustkidshockey wrote:I think it's time to to leave MM Hockey and the Fire alone. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of either program, but they do provide OPTIONS for parents - whether we like it or not. Something MN Hockey does not.

If you don't like their programs, don't support them. Take that a step further and don't scrimmage them. But please stop bashing them for providing parents the opportunity to push their kids as they see fit.

I don't see any threads condemning parents for putting kids in Montessori schools, it's okay to send kids to private schools, why not be able to send kids to other options than the monopoly of MN Hockey?

I support community based hockey - I think it's great that communities can build an infrastructure for kids to play and use that as a tool to further enhance their community offerings. However, MN hockey is skating on thin ice if they think that they can hold onto their control without recognizing the need to provide a Tier 1 option for families that choose it.

Let them play hockey. We lost a kid to Shattuck and good luck to him - I hope he really goes a long way. We miss him locally but that's the choice we all make as parents and thankfully there are choices available.

After all... It's just kids hockey

Great post! Only has one snag..... The negative talk about the MM owner, some of their AAA coaches, and punishment methods need to be talked about. Believe it, or not..... The talk is for a reason.


It's a good thing a curtain can't be put up to cover this forum.

MrBoDangles wrote:

itsjustkidshockey wrote:I think it's time to to leave MM Hockey and the Fire alone. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of either program, but they do provide OPTIONS for parents - whether we like it or not. Something MN Hockey does not.

If you don't like their programs, don't support them. Take that a step further and don't scrimmage them. But please stop bashing them for providing parents the opportunity to push their kids as they see fit.

I don't see any threads condemning parents for putting kids in Montessori schools, it's okay to send kids to private schools, why not be able to send kids to other options than the monopoly of MN Hockey?

I support community based hockey - I think it's great that communities can build an infrastructure for kids to play and use that as a tool to further enhance their community offerings. However, MN hockey is skating on thin ice if they think that they can hold onto their control without recognizing the need to provide a Tier 1 option for families that choose it.

Let them play hockey. We lost a kid to Shattuck and good luck to him - I hope he really goes a long way. We miss him locally but that's the choice we all make as parents and thankfully there are choices available.

After all... It's just kids hockey

Great post! Only has one snag..... The negative talk about the MM owner, some of their AAA coaches, and punishment methods need to be talked about. Believe it, or not..... The talk is for a reason.


It's a good thing a curtain can't be put up to cover this forum.

What? The 46,378 previous posts discussing the same thing over and over and over again by same folks that have never set foot in the Made let alone have their kids skate with the program isn't enough?

By the way two years now and still haven't seen a curtain.

Maybe the Made/Fire detractors could focus all that negative energy on improving their own skater's situation instead of bashing a successful program that 99% of the participants find to be valuable.

HockeyDad41 wrote:

MrBoDangles wrote:

itsjustkidshockey wrote:I think it's time to to leave MM Hockey and the Fire alone. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of either program, but they do provide OPTIONS for parents - whether we like it or not. Something MN Hockey does not.

If you don't like their programs, don't support them. Take that a step further and don't scrimmage them. But please stop bashing them for providing parents the opportunity to push their kids as they see fit.

I don't see any threads condemning parents for putting kids in Montessori schools, it's okay to send kids to private schools, why not be able to send kids to other options than the monopoly of MN Hockey?

I support community based hockey - I think it's great that communities can build an infrastructure for kids to play and use that as a tool to further enhance their community offerings. However, MN hockey is skating on thin ice if they think that they can hold onto their control without recognizing the need to provide a Tier 1 option for families that choose it.

Let them play hockey. We lost a kid to Shattuck and good luck to him - I hope he really goes a long way. We miss him locally but that's the choice we all make as parents and thankfully there are choices available.

After all... It's just kids hockey

Great post! Only has one snag..... The negative talk about the MM owner, some of their AAA coaches, and punishment methods need to be talked about. Believe it, or not..... The talk is for a reason.


It's a good thing a curtain can't be put up to cover this forum.

What? The 46,378 previous posts discussing the same thing over and over and over again by same folks that have never set foot in the Made let alone have their kids skate with the program isn't enough?

By the way two years now and still haven't seen a curtain.

Maybe the Made/Fire detractors could focus all that negative energy on improving their own skater's situation instead of bashing a successful program that 99% of the participants find to be valuable.

"Improving their own players situation"...? Sounds intense

Does your player play for the love of the game or does he play for your love?

Would you let a teacher SCREAM at your kid for messing up a math problem?

What "Made" AAA team does/did your kid play for? 2001 was it?

MrBoDangles wrote:

HockeyDad41 wrote:

MrBoDangles wrote: Great post! Only has one snag..... The negative talk about the MM owner, some of their AAA coaches, and punishment methods need to be talked about. Believe it, or not..... The talk is for a reason.


It's a good thing a curtain can't be put up to cover this forum.

What? The 46,378 previous posts discussing the same thing over and over and over again by same folks that have never set foot in the Made let alone have their kids skate with the program isn't enough?

By the way two years now and still haven't seen a curtain.

Maybe the Made/Fire detractors could focus all that negative energy on improving their own skater's situation instead of bashing a successful program that 99% of the participants find to be valuable.

"Improving their own players situation"...? Sounds intense

Does your player play for the love of the game or does he play for your love?

Would you let a teacher SCREAM at your kid for messing up a math problem?

What "Made" AAA team does/did your kid play for? 2001 was it?

Anyone who has spent more than 10 minutes on this board knows my kid skates there. What about yours? You have some strong opinions about the place. What birth year and MM team did your kid skate for? Yeah I thought so.

Friends with horror stories that have stayed. Friends with horror stories that have left. Friends with nothing but good things to say. Facts are that bad things have happened... These folks are not liars, they have no reason to.

Sounds like you had a good experience with the Choice League. That is a good thing. Wouldn't it be great thing if everyone's experience could be good? Is the hardline approach needed?

I thought you were seeing the light before..?

Just sitting back and having a few laughs. More Blades vs Machine/Fire. Who isn't a lier on the forum?

MrBoDangles wrote:Friends with horror stories that have stayed. Friends with horror stories that have left. Friends with nothing but good things to say. Facts are that bad things have happened... These folks are not liars, they have no reason to.

Sounds like you had a good experience with the Choice League. That is a good thing. Wouldn't it be great thing if everyone's experience could be good? Is the hardline approach needed?

I thought you were seeing the light before..?

Horror stories huh? Well I guess that changes everything.

It's tough to take your posts about how awful Minnesota Made is and how Bernie is the Devil incarnate when you yourself admit that you are getting your information second hand from friends. Worse than that you apparently don't believe your friends that tell you it's all good. You only believe what you want to believe. Tell you what - come down on any night of the week and you can watch the games or practices for yourself. The only horrifying thing you will see is the prices for the concessions.

chew them up wrote:Just sitting back and having a few laughs. More Blades vs Machine/Fire. Who isn't a lier on the forum?

And this is from a Blades basher....

HockeyDad41 wrote:

MrBoDangles wrote:Friends with horror stories that have stayed. Friends with horror stories that have left. Friends with nothing but good things to say. Facts are that bad things have happened... These folks are not liars, they have no reason to.

Sounds like you had a good experience with the Choice League. That is a good thing. Wouldn't it be great thing if everyone's experience could be good? Is the hardline approach needed?

I thought you were seeing the light before..?

Horror stories huh? Well I guess that changes everything.

It's tough to take your posts about how awful Minnesota Made is and how Bernie is the Devil incarnate when you yourself admit that you are getting your information second hand from friends. Worse than that you apparently don't believe your friends that tell you it's all good. You only believe what you want to believe. Tell you what - come down on any night of the week and you can watch the games or practices for yourself. The only horrifying thing you will see is the prices for the concessions.

Why did so many leave?

Some did have positive experiences with less competitive teams and the choice league.

Dangler, here is a hall pass to allow you some quality time to collect yourself. When you feel able to respond in a positive nature...we all are willing to listen.....

For what it is worth, we came from the northwest metro looking for alittle more for our son and the Choice league has been great for us.

I thought this was a Fire thread?

Ugottobekiddingme wrote:Dangler, here is a hall pass to allow you some quality time to collect yourself. When you feel able to respond in a positive nature...we all are willing to listen.....

Thanks Ugokid.... Hard to state the positives with so many negatives. Is there a need for the negatives?

Do with the kids what they will....... I guess

HOTG - The Fire have Tier 1 status! Its funny how you & Oldie have no information to back up what you say. The Fire have to be either Tier 1 or 2 but cannot be unclassified. Show me a current hockey ranking website or document to back up what you say. I gave you guys a direct link to a website that says they have Tier 1 status so give me something other then your word to back up what you say.

OrangeKoolaid wrote: I gave you guys a direct link to a website that has nothing to do with anything when it comes to USA Hockey Championship tournament eligibilitysays they have Tier 1 status so give me something other then your word to back up what you say.

I think we all know how this is going to end. The old guys that actually understand terms like "Tier I" and "Tier II" and "Unclassified" will be shown to be right in two months when the Fire don't go to Nationals.

Here is the WAHA Classification for 2010/2011

http://www.waha-hockey.com/WAHABook/201 ... Appendix_V

Wisconsin Coach wrote:Here is the WAHA Classification for 2010/2011

http://www.waha-hockey.com/WAHABook/201 ... Appendix_V

That has got to be the longest web page I have ever seen.

Hint - you need to scroll down until you are almost at the bottom. Official status is UNCLASSIFIED.

OrangeKoolaid now we all wait for your “forum wide apology” and then you should advise that 99 parent of the facts.

Orangeaid- Goodluck to the Fire at National....Wait they CAN't GO!!!!!!!

Perhaps they were told something different at the time of acceptance.

old goalie85 wrote:Orangeaid- Goodluck to the Fire at National....Wait they CAN't GO!!!!!!!

Fire can't go to National's, thats to bad, they can stay home with all of the Minnesota teams that can't go either, except Shattuck.

OrangeKoolaid wrote:HOTG - The Fire have Tier 1 status! Its funny how you & Oldie have no information to back up what you say. The Fire have to be either Tier 1 or 2 but cannot be unclassified. Show me a current hockey ranking website or document to back up what you say. I gave you guys a direct link to a website that says they have Tier 1 status so give me something other then your word to back up what you say.