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ryguyMN wrote: ↑Thu Mar 13, 2025 11:31 am Shakopee is replacing Hill at the Prior Lake holiday showcase next season, per YHH Season Finale podcast.

East Side Pioneer Guy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 13, 2025 12:22 pm

ryguyMN wrote: ↑Thu Mar 13, 2025 11:31 am Shakopee is replacing Hill at the Prior Lake holiday showcase next season, per YHH Season Finale podcast.

I'd be in favor of Shakopee replacing PL on our schedule, too.

Sparlimb wrote: ↑Fri Mar 14, 2025 8:03 am That was last year. Shakopee graduated everyone and PL should be improved. We'll see though.

CrimsonCakeEater wrote: ↑Fri Mar 14, 2025 7:55 am I believe the holiday tournaments are a week later than usual since Christmas Eve/Day fall on a Wednesday/Thursday, preventing a three day tournament from being played that week. So that’s why the Edina/Hill back to back is that Friday and Saturday immediately following Christmas.

Will be interesting to see how the Wayzata Turkey Trot looks next year with Maple Grove entering the historic Lake Conference. Have to imagine MG gets the boot, maybe in favor of Rogers or Andover?

Sparlimb wrote: ↑Wed Mar 12, 2025 8:19 pm Hill-Murray (Interestingly it looks like Hill and Edina are forgoing a Christmas tournament this year and playing their back to back right after Christmas).

First time Hill and Duluth East have done a regular season game in at least 15 years. They used to play every year when Lee and I were young.

Nov 25 - 7:00 PM @ Eden Prairie (AWAY) - EDEN PRAIRIE
Nov 29 - 7:00 PM @ Aldrich Arena - HERMANTOWN
Dec 3 - 7:00 PM @ SCRC (AWAY) - MAHTOMEDI
Dec 6 - 7:00 PM @ Rogers (AWAY) - ROGERS
Dec 11 - 7:00 PM @ Tartan Arena - TARTAN
Dec 13 - 7:00 PM @ Aldrich Arena - ST. THOMAS ACADEMY
Dec 18 - 7:00 PM @ Hastings Family Arena (AWAY) - HASTINGS
Dec 20 - 7:00 PM @ Aldrich Arena (AWAY) - WHITE BEAR
Dec 23 - 7:00 PM @ Aldrich Arena - HOLY FAMILY
Dec 26 - 7:00 PM @ Aldrich Arena - EDINA
Dec 27 - 7:00 PM @ Braemar (AWAY) - EDINA
Jan 3 - 7:00 PM @ Aldrich Arena - PRIOR LAKE
Jan 8 - 7:00 PM @ Aldrich Arena - TWO RIVERS
Jan 10 - 7:00 PM @ SLP Rec Center - BSM
Jan 13 - 7:00 PM @ Aldrich Arena - WAYZATA
Jan 15 - 7:00 PM @ Vet Mem CC (AWAY) - SIMLEY
Jan 17 - 7:00 PM @ IRC (AWAY) - GRAND RAPIDS
Jan 22 - 7:00 PM @ Doug Woog (AWAY) - SOUTH ST. PAUL
Jan 24 - 3:00 PM @ Aldrich Arena - STILLWATER
Jan 27 - 7:00 PM @ Aldrich Arena - MAHTOMEDI
Jan 30 - 7:00 PM @ Aldrich Arena - DULUTH EAST
Feb 3 - 7:00 PM @ Aldrich Arena - MAPLE GROVE
Feb 7 - 7:00 PM @ Aldrich Arena - ANDOVER
Feb 12 - 7:00 PM @ STA Arena (AWAY) - ST. THOMAS ACADEMY
Feb 14 - 7:00 PM @ Moorhead Sports Center (AWAY) - MOORHEAD

• Why is the White Bear away game at Aldrich? If it's White Bear's call, good on them. They may sell more tickets, and the more they play at Aldrich the better for them.

• Prior to this, the Rapids game had mid afternoon puck drop, now like the Moorhead game it's an evening start. Is this the way Lex prefers it? I guess I'm going to have to become a Valued Member of the Hilton Rewards Club.

East Side Pioneer Guy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 14, 2025 8:23 pm

CrimsonCakeEater wrote: ↑Fri Mar 14, 2025 7:55 am I believe the holiday tournaments are a week later than usual since Christmas Eve/Day fall on a Wednesday/Thursday, preventing a three day tournament from being played that week. So that’s why the Edina/Hill back to back is that Friday and Saturday immediately following Christmas.

Will be interesting to see how the Wayzata Turkey Trot looks next year with Maple Grove entering the historic Lake Conference. Have to imagine MG gets the boot, maybe in favor of Rogers or Andover?

Are you sure you aren't conflating two separate things? It would be possible for Hill to play in a holiday tournament showcase and still have the Edina home & home another week.

I'm not all that jazzed about these holiday tournaments in any case. There was a time when the idea was to allow teams to play more games, so MSHSL allowed 3 tournament games to count as one game. I want to say 20 games were allowed then, so this effectively made it 22. That's long gone by the wayside, so it's really just 3 scheduled non-conference games. I just don't see a big advantage to it.

CrimsonCakeEater wrote: ↑Fri Mar 14, 2025 11:23 pm

East Side Pioneer Guy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 14, 2025 8:23 pm

CrimsonCakeEater wrote: ↑Fri Mar 14, 2025 7:55 am I believe the holiday tournaments are a week later than usual since Christmas Eve/Day fall on a Wednesday/Thursday, preventing a three day tournament from being played that week. So that’s why the Edina/Hill back to back is that Friday and Saturday immediately following Christmas.

Will be interesting to see how the Wayzata Turkey Trot looks next year with Maple Grove entering the historic Lake Conference. Have to imagine MG gets the boot, maybe in favor of Rogers or Andover?

Are you sure you aren't conflating two separate things? It would be possible for Hill to play in a holiday tournament showcase and still have the Edina home & home another week.

I'm not all that jazzed about these holiday tournaments in any case. There was a time when the idea was to allow teams to play more games, so MSHSL allowed 3 tournament games to count as one game. I want to say 20 games were allowed then, so this effectively made it 22. That's long gone by the wayside, so it's really just 3 scheduled non-conference games. I just don't see a big advantage to it.

There can’t be a holiday tournament the week of Christmas since there would have to be games on either Christmas Eve or Christmas Day. Presumably Edina and Hill moved their back to back to this week to allow for more flexibility in their schedule later in the year. I have no clue if Edina will still play in the Casino tournament and haven’t heard anything suggesting they won’t.

East Side Pioneer Guy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 7:54 am

CrimsonCakeEater wrote: ↑Fri Mar 14, 2025 11:23 pm

East Side Pioneer Guy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 14, 2025 8:23 pm

Are you sure you aren't conflating two separate things? It would be possible for Hill to play in a holiday tournament showcase and still have the Edina home & home another week.

I'm not all that jazzed about these holiday tournaments in any case. There was a time when the idea was to allow teams to play more games, so MSHSL allowed 3 tournament games to count as one game. I want to say 20 games were allowed then, so this effectively made it 22. That's long gone by the wayside, so it's really just 3 scheduled non-conference games. I just don't see a big advantage to it.

There can’t be a holiday tournament the week of Christmas since there would have to be games on either Christmas Eve or Christmas Day. Presumably Edina and Hill moved their back to back to this week to allow for more flexibility in their schedule later in the year. I have no clue if Edina will still play in the Casino tournament and haven’t heard anything suggesting they won’t.

Eh, there's a lot of speculation going on here. We humans like things to make sense, and in the absence of solid information, we're more than willing to make assumptions. This is far from the first time the calendar has lined up this way, and in previous years holiday showcases have been held. Just because the rooster crowed immediately before sunrise does not mean the crowing of the rooster caused the sun to rise. I'm willing to be proven wrong (my kids do it frequently, and with glee), but I prefer hard data to presumption. No post hoc ergo propter hoc for me, thank you.

Tournament: A series of contests in which a number of contestants compete and the one that prevails through the final round or that finishes with the best record is declared the winner.

These are not holiday tournaments, they are mite-style jamborees.

The51 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 10:46 am Better question is when and why did these things stop being a bracket style tournament type event? Haven't been paying that close of attention to know when the switch was made but I do know that at some point relatively recently that switch was made.

slacsap wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 11:47 am Why can't there be holiday tournaments/showcases this year? (ESPG is correct. If you're not playing down to a champion, it is not a tournament). Christmas Eve is Wednesday, Christmas Day is Thursday. You could play Monday, Tuesday and Friday. There's no law that says games have to be played on three consecutive days. The level of play might even be beetter on the final day after the players have two days of rest.

East Side Pioneer Guy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 7:54 am

CrimsonCakeEater wrote: ↑Fri Mar 14, 2025 11:23 pm

East Side Pioneer Guy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 14, 2025 8:23 pm

Are you sure you aren't conflating two separate things? It would be possible for Hill to play in a holiday tournament showcase and still have the Edina home & home another week.

I'm not all that jazzed about these holiday tournaments in any case. There was a time when the idea was to allow teams to play more games, so MSHSL allowed 3 tournament games to count as one game. I want to say 20 games were allowed then, so this effectively made it 22. That's long gone by the wayside, so it's really just 3 scheduled non-conference games. I just don't see a big advantage to it.

There can’t be a holiday tournament the week of Christmas since there would have to be games on either Christmas Eve or Christmas Day. Presumably Edina and Hill moved their back to back to this week to allow for more flexibility in their schedule later in the year. I have no clue if Edina will still play in the Casino tournament and haven’t heard anything suggesting they won’t.

Eh, there's a lot of speculation going on here. We humans like things to make sense, and in the absence of solid information, we're more than willing to make assumptions. This is far from the first time the calendar has lined up this way, and in previous years holiday showcases have been held. Just because the rooster crowed immediately before sunrise does not mean the crowing of the rooster caused the sun to rise. I'm willing to be proven wrong (my kids do it frequently, and with glee), but I prefer hard data to presumption. No post hoc ergo propter hoc for me, thank you.

Tournament: A series of contests in which a number of contestants compete and the one that prevails through the final round or that finishes with the best record is declared the winner.

These are not holiday tournaments, they are mite-style jamborees.