packerboy wrote:Oooooh, poor witto Roseau and ooooh, poor witto Warroad.
What does enrollment size have to do with success in hockey?
You can say they are playing where their enrollment says they should but because the correlation between enrollment size and success is tenative at best, you have said nothing. Did Burnsville win it last year?
How do you even measure success at Class A when all of the truely respected programs that are "A size" opt up.
When you win the Class A trophy, what have you won? Nothing but a year end tournament involving some nondescript group of teams based loosely on enrollment sort of that was formed because of politics.
If you want to have Class A fine, have it, but dont claim that your success in it makes you a respected program. A lot of people would take issue with that.
Respect come froms taking on the best. Not ducking into some little politically manufactured competitive level known as Class A and and then claiming to be just as good as AA.
I see your points and agree with some of what you have written. Some teams, however, do not have the depth of players due to lack of enrollment. I am not giving Warroad, or any other team for that matter, an excuse to play in A. I am, however, explaining a valid point. If a team only has 3 lines and 2 sets of D due to less than spectacular numbers it would be tough to play a full AA schedule as well as a section playoff. Injuries also would deplete these teams where as a bigger school/co-op would be alright because they would have someone to put in that void.
Also, there are many nights where you see A teams beating AA teams. Not always is it a great AA school getting beat, but you still see it happen on occasion.
packerboy wrote:But newsguy, if they dont have the depth or whatever, the result should be that they dont win. Not, "oh we will manufacture it so that you do".
Isnt that what athletics is all about?
Shouldnt that be the message?
As far as A teams beating AA teams, thats meaningless unless it happens after Ash Wednesday.
If it does mean something, whose point does that prove? Why the heck do we have a Class A if all these teams can beat the AA teams.
Its nonsense.
I agree 100% packerboy! We have become a society of trying to make too many feel good! Kids get medals and trophies for losing every game in a tourney.
packerboy wrote:But newsguy, if they dont have the depth or whatever, the result should be that they dont win. Not, "oh we will manufacture it so that you do".
Isnt that what athletics is all about?
Shouldnt that be the message?
As far as A teams beating AA teams, thats meaningless unless it happens after Ash Wednesday.
If it does mean something, whose point does that prove? Why the heck do we have a Class A if all these teams can beat the AA teams.
Its nonsense.
PB - Would your line of reasoning then extend to the college ranks? Why have D1, D2, or D3 athletics - shouldn't they all be D1 and fight it out from that level?
CG - I Falls is a has been in the overall scheme of high school hockey. Better than a never was, but still a has been. Further, they are a never will be again, also.
packerboy wrote:But newsguy, if they dont have the depth or whatever, the result should be that they dont win. Not, "oh we will manufacture it so that you do".
Isnt that what athletics is all about?
Shouldnt that be the message?
As far as A teams beating AA teams, thats meaningless unless it happens after Ash Wednesday.
If it does mean something, whose point does that prove? Why the heck do we have a Class A if all these teams can beat the AA teams.
Its nonsense.
PB - Would your line of reasoning then extend to the college ranks? Why have D1, D2, or D3 athletics - shouldn't they all be D1 and fight it out from that level?
CG - I Falls is a has been in the overall scheme of high school hockey. Better than a never was, but still a has been. Further, they are a never will be again, also.
I've asked this question many times on this board and never really gotten an answer. To solve the situation that PB has described here about the Class A title meaning nothing (whether true or not), why not make schools play in whatever class their enrollment puts them into? This would make both tournaments quite equal in quality, would fill the X for all games instead of just the AA games, so it would make the league more money as well. yeah its great now that the teams that want to opt up have that ability, but if the classes were enforced there would be no reason to opt up, both classes would be very competitive.
SB24 wrote:I've asked this question many times on this board and never really gotten an answer. To solve the situation that PB has described here about the Class A title meaning nothing (whether true or not), why not make schools play in whatever class their enrollment puts them into? This would make both tournaments quite equal in quality, would fill the X for all games instead of just the AA games, so it would make the league more money as well. yeah its great now that the teams that want to opt up have that ability, but if the classes were enforced there would be no reason to opt up, both classes would be very competitive.
That would be better, but I would still prefer one tourney even with the possibility of 16 teams.
SB24 wrote:I've asked this question many times on this board and never really gotten an answer. To solve the situation that PB has described here about the Class A title meaning nothing (whether true or not), why not make schools play in whatever class their enrollment puts them into? This would make both tournaments quite equal in quality, would fill the X for all games instead of just the AA games, so it would make the league more money as well. yeah its great now that the teams that want to opt up have that ability, but if the classes were enforced there would be no reason to opt up, both classes would be very competitive.
The reasons to opt up are the desire to be the best, tradition, and the experience of the AA tourney. The NCAA allows schools to opt up to any level they chose. Schools should play where they want and then know there place. AA is better than A period. The class A title does not mean nothing. The players have the right to call themselves state champs the rest of their lives. The class title does not however give their fans and dads the footing to say they could beat the AA champs.
SB24 wrote:I've asked this question many times on this board and never really gotten an answer. To solve the situation that PB has described here about the Class A title meaning nothing (whether true or not), why not make schools play in whatever class their enrollment puts them into? This would make both tournaments quite equal in quality, would fill the X for all games instead of just the AA games, so it would make the league more money as well. yeah its great now that the teams that want to opt up have that ability, but if the classes were enforced there would be no reason to opt up, both classes would be very competitive.
The reasons to opt up are the desire to be the best, tradition, and the experience of the AA tourney. The NCAA allows schools to opt up to any level they chose. Schools should play where they want and then know there place. AA is better than A period. The class A title does not mean nothing. The players have the right to call themselves state champs the rest of their lives. The class title does not however give their fans and dads the footing to say they could beat the AA champs.
PB- I agree, I never said that there should be 2 divisions. I was just giving a reason for that belief...
I do think that the 2 champs from the A and AA should play the next day. That would be a high quality game and I am sure a record attendance would be near...
Why should the class a champ get a free pass to play the AA CHAMP? The hardest part of winning the AA title is putting a run together at the right time. If people want to see how their team stacks up against the best they have an option; OPT UP.
Completely unrelated to anything, but suppose "one" were to travel north from the Cities to see the Warroad/Roseau game. How does "one" ensure that "one" would be able to get tickets to the game, because if "one" were to drive 7 hours in January and not get a ticket, "one" would be awfully irritated.
Can "one" buy them online or call a school or arena to have tickets held?
Irishmans Shanty wrote:All venues have breaches, as for the War/Ros game, try the Zamboni door.
Here we go again... the assumption that just because I'm an Eastsider, I should illegally gain access to a sporting event (or somebody's car, garage or home). Will the stereotyping never cease?!?!
That's actually a very good plan... thanks for the idea!
Irishmans Shanty wrote:All venues have breaches, as for the War/Ros game, try the Zamboni door.
Here we go again... the assumption that just because I'm an Eastsider, I should illegally gain access to a sporting event (or somebody's car, garage or home). Will the stereotyping never cease?!?!
That's actually a very good plan... thanks for the idea!
Govs Proper dress should allow for easy undetected excess.
Irishmans Shanty wrote:All venues have breaches, as for the War/Ros game, try the Zamboni door.
Here we go again... the assumption that just because I'm an Eastsider, I should illegally gain access to a sporting event (or somebody's car, garage or home). Will the stereotyping never cease?!?!
That's actually a very good plan... thanks for the idea!
Govs Proper dress should allow for easy undetected excess.
Ah! While I appreciate the tip, it should be noted that Max Goldman (pictured above) is technically an Eastsider as well. While the film was supposedly set in Wabasha, Max's & John Gustafson's homes were actually on Hyacinth Ave. on St. Paul's East Side!
I'll look like one of those fancy city slickers if I go to Roseau dressed like that, and they'll nab me for sure!
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