Section 4AA

blanco oso · Post by **blanco oso** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 10:08 am

1.WBL
2.Tartan
3.Hill
4.Roseville
5.Stillwater

thats what your going to see. sunday morning

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 10:13 am

WBL lost last night.

Tartan beat Hill and is 3-0 since the win. WBL may be the best team in the section, but they should probably schedule a game against Tartan next year and actually win their one game against WBL if they want to be seeded ahead of them.

blanco oso · Post by **blanco oso** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 10:18 am

HShockeywatcher wrote:WBL lost last night.

Tartan beat Hill and is 3-0 since the win. WBL may be the best team in the section, but they should probably schedule a game against Tartan next year and actually win their one game against WBL if they want to be seeded ahead of them.

its never been a problem in the past, if hill was the same team they had been the first half of the season none of this would have been a problem. tartan hasnt beat anyone except hill and those were both after hills "incident"

pucknutz · Post by **pucknutz** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 10:29 am

blanco oso wrote:1.WBL
2.Tartan
3.Hill
4.Roseville
5.Stillwater

thats what your going to see. sunday morning

Some people can't accept change. If the good old boy network lives in 4AA, Tartan will not be number 1. If the team who's record is most deserving wins...then ladies and gentlemen Tartan is number 1. Don't count out the backslapping, arrogant good ole boys though who live in the past... If Tartan isn't number 1 it will be a joke, and reflect poorly on the prejudicial selection process. If WBL is a better team...then come out of that second or third seed and PROVE IT!!! Otherwise, what the hell seed the teams before the season if you feel WBL is "owed" that honor every year. Good Luck to all of the teams!

GopherHockeyRube26 · Post by **GopherHockeyRube26** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 10:31 am

Just as long as White Bear and Hill are on opposite sides of the Bracket..I and most people will be happy, the Section Final Matchups are Classic!! As LaPanta and Gorg said during last night's telecast..best Matchup in the State.

Post by **karl(east)** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:03 pm

GopherHockeyRube26 wrote:Just as long as White Bear and Hill are on opposite sides of the Bracket..I and most people will be happy, the Section Final Matchups are Classic!! As LaPanta and Gorg said during last night's telecast..best Matchup in the State.

I beg to differ. But then, I am biased in this respect.

But really, how can it be the best matchup in the state if the same team always wins?

As for the debate here, Tartan should be #1. The section seeding process is not designed to reward teams with the most talent that have not done all that well this season (WBL) or penalize teams who have "incidents" (Hill). It's supposed to reflect what actually happened. And Tartan is 1-0-1 against Hill, which beat WBL.

Every team in this section has to beat at least 2 good teams to get to State. The seeding really doesn't matter all that much. Seeding them (in order) Tartan, Hill, WBL also sets up a Hill-WBL matchup, just a bit earlier than we're used to. Credit the other teams for causing that shake-up.

BodyShots · Post by **BodyShots** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:05 pm

Some people can't accept change. If the good old boy network lives in 4AA, Tartan will not be number 1. If the team who's record is most deserving wins...then ladies and gentlemen Tartan is number 1. Don't count out the backslapping, arrogant good ole boys though who live in the past... If Tartan isn't number 1 it will be a joke, and reflect poorly on the prejudicial selection process. If WBL is a better team...then come out of that second or third seed and PROVE IT!!! Otherwise, what the hell seed the teams before the season if you feel WBL is "owed" that honor every year. Good Luck to all of the teams![/quote]

Geez Pucknutz, did somebody wake up on the wrong side of the bed?

Here is my prediction:
1. Tartan
2. HM
3.WBL
4.Rose

Here is my dream set up:
1. HM
2. Tartan
3. WBL
4. Rose

This way we would have to beat both Tartan and HM to get to state, with the usual section final.

mnhockey73 · Post by **mnhockey73** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 5:16 pm

BodyShots wrote:Some people can't accept change. If the good old boy network lives in 4AA, Tartan will not be number 1. If the team who's record is most deserving wins...then ladies and gentlemen Tartan is number 1. Don't count out the backslapping, arrogant good ole boys though who live in the past... If Tartan isn't number 1 it will be a joke, and reflect poorly on the prejudicial selection process. If WBL is a better team...then come out of that second or third seed and PROVE IT!!! Otherwise, what the hell seed the teams before the season if you feel WBL is "owed" that honor every year. Good Luck to all of the teams!

Geez Pucknutz, did somebody wake up on the wrong side of the bed?

Here is my prediction:
1. Tartan
2. HM
3.WBL
4.Rose

Here is my dream set up:
1. HM
2. Tartan
3. WBL
4. Rose

This way we would have to beat both Tartan and HM to get to state, with the usual section final.

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Tartan should be seeded number 1.. bottom line.

joycer10 · Post by **joycer10** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 6:59 pm

My seedings as of last night

#1: Tartan
#2: White Bear
#3: Hill-Murray
#4: Roseville
#5: Stillwater
#6: Mounds View

sllek · Post by **sllek** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 7:20 pm

joycer10 wrote:My seedings as of last night

#1: Tartan
#2: White Bear
#3: Hill-Murray
#4: Roseville
#5: Stillwater
#6: Mounds View

Joycer10: I'm not doubting your seedings because you could very well be right on. I am, however, wondering what the rationale for putting White BEar ahead of Hill is? Hill has a better record, a similar strength of schedule and a head to head win over the Bears (granted, that win was not with the current Hill team). Given all that, Hill can make a strong case for the number two seed.

joycer10 · Post by **joycer10** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 7:45 pm

sllek wrote:
joycer10 wrote:My seedings as of last night

#1: Tartan
#2: White Bear
#3: Hill-Murray
#4: Roseville
#5: Stillwater
#6: Mounds View
Joycer10: I'm not doubting your seedings because you could very well be right on. I am, however, wondering what the rationale for putting White BEar ahead of Hill is? Hill has a better record, a similar strength of schedule and a head to head win over the Bears (granted, that win was not with the current Hill team). Given all that, Hill can make a strong case for the number two seed.

You very well can make a case for Hill in fact it's almost a draw. that being said I think White Bear plays in a tougher conference then Hill. As for Hill's better record lots of those wins came before they lost those 4 kids so I like to look at what Hill has done since losing those 4 kids. That being said I put White Bear ahead because inspite of their last 2 losses White Bear has been playing some very good hockey lately and I think Hill has really been struggling.

Pioneerprideguy · Post by **Pioneerprideguy** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:27 pm

I think if Hill beats Moorhead, majority of coaches in this section will give them the nod over Tartan. Coaches look at polls & the competition teams play all year (non conference). I believe teams like Como, Johnson, and St. Paul Sanins have more respect for Hill's program than Tartan and will place Hill higher (not saying it's right). A team like NSP has played both teams twice and may look & see more lopsided losses to Hill & put them at 1. If they lose to the Spuds, Hill will be 2/3...really doesn't matter & they may face WB in the semis.

WBLHockeyfan04 · Post by **WBLHockeyfan04** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 12:43 am

It really doesn't matter to me what the seedings are. I've seen all four of these teams play a number of times this year, and I think right now anyone could beat the other on a given night. I think in Tartan's case, it may be better they're not seeded one. It puts more added pressure on them to come out of this section, and gives the usual top teams the more underdog role with a little more incentive to knock off the top seeded team. With Hill being so well coached, and WBL in my opinion having the best overall talent. I think one of these two teams will be representing section 4AA in state this season.

WBLHockeyfan04 · Post by **WBLHockeyfan04** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 12:43 am

It really doesn't matter to me what the seedings are. I've seen all four of these teams play a number of times this year, and I think right now anyone could beat the other on a given night. I think in Tartan's case, it may be better they're not seeded one. It puts more added pressure on them to come out of this section, and gives the usual top teams the more underdog role with a little more incentive to knock off the top seeded team. With Hill being so well coached, and WBL in my opinion having the best overall talent. I think one of these two teams will be representing section 4AA in state this season.

mnhockey73 · Post by **mnhockey73** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:30 am

WBLHockeyfan04 wrote:It really doesn't matter to me what the seedings are. I've seen all four of these teams play a number of times this year, and I think right now anyone could beat the other on a given night. I think in Tartan's case, it may be better they're not seeded one. It puts more added pressure on them to come out of this section, and gives the usual top teams the more underdog role with a little more incentive to knock off the top seeded team. With Hill being so well coached, and WBL in my opinion having the best overall talent. I think one of these two teams will be representing section 4AA in state this season.

Very well put. Although I believe that Tartan should be seeded number one, but that's coming from a Tartan fan. If they get seeded number one I personally think that it would make them try harder, skate faster, and have more confidence in themselves, therefore do better in the playoffs. However it turns out, it will be one heck of a Section to watch it play out!!

mnhockey73 · Post by **mnhockey73** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:33 am

Pioneerprideguy wrote:I think if Hill beats Moorhead, majority of coaches in this section will give them the nod over Tartan. Coaches look at polls & the competition teams play all year (non conference). I believe teams like Como, Johnson, and St. Paul Sanins have more respect for Hill's program than Tartan and will place Hill higher (not saying it's right). A team like NSP has played both teams twice and may look & see more lopsided losses to Hill & put them at 1. If they lose to the Spuds, Hill will be 2/3...really doesn't matter & they may face WB in the semis.

Hey not cussing you out here but I was just wondering if you could tell me more about why you think Coaches will have more respect for Hill than Tartan?

Thanks

MedleyWR · Post by **MedleyWR** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:51 am

WBLHockeyfan04 wrote:It really doesn't matter to me what the seedings are. I've seen all four of these teams play a number of times this year, and I think right now anyone could beat the other on a given night. I think in Tartan's case, it may be better they're not seeded one. It puts more added pressure on them to come out of this section, and gives the usual top teams the more underdog role with a little more incentive to knock off the top seeded team. With Hill being so well coached, and WBL in my opinion having the best overall talent. I think one of these two teams will be representing section 4AA in state this season.

I agree with your analysis. Any of these four teams can win. It may depend on who gets hot, stays out of the box and maybe gets a lucky bounce or two. In addition, if Stillwater plays very inspired hockey and gets a few bounces and calls, they have an outside shot. It should be some great hockey.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:39 am

If you don't seed teams purely based on how they did against section opponents, what is the point of playing those games?

chester1991 · Post by **chester1991** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:55 am

It looks to me like this

1. Tartan
2. Hill-Murray
3. Roseville
4. White Bear
5. Stillwater
6. Mounds View
7. North St Paul
8. Johnson
9. Saints
10. Como Park

wiseguy · Post by **wiseguy** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:13 am

chester1991 wrote:It looks to me like this

1. Tartan
2. Hill-Murray
3. Roseville
4. White Bear
5. Stillwater
6. Mounds View
7. North St Paul
8. Johnson
9. Saints
10. Como Park

I agree but I think WBL #3 and Rose. #4

Rose has a loss to MV, Tie to Hast, OT win against Park and lost to Cent. which WBL beat. The only big win I see is against WBL but if they are lower is that really a big win.

WBL beat MV twice blew them out the second time, beat hastings both time pretty easy, Park very easy both times, Win against Cent, Tie agains AHA, beat a very good CDH team. A tie and a loss to Still. is the only bad thing I see. I don't think its enough to drop them to #4.

Just my thoughts.

Nodak Sioux · Post by **Nodak Sioux** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:42 am

I think WBL will take the section!
At the beggining of the year it was a obvious that Hill was the fav. but recently they havn't been doing as well.
But watch out for Tartan they seem to be comming on very strong!

formerlybackofnet · Post by **formerlybackofnet** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:59 am

Sorry, I still don't see Tartan getting the #1 seed. It doesn't matter how many scetion teams they beat if those teams are sub 500 teams, with the exception of a depleted Hill team. They did not beat any other ranked teams, and most of their schedule is too soft. WB may not get the #1 seed, but they did beat Centinial, tie and beat Cretin, tie Holy Angels. Yes, they did lose to Hill, but that was an entirly different team than Tartan beat.

mnhockey73 · Post by **mnhockey73** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 12:24 pm

formerlybackofnet wrote:Sorry, I still don't see Tartan getting the #1 seed. It doesn't matter how many scetion teams they beat if those teams are sub 500 teams, with the exception of a depleted Hill team. They did not beat any other ranked teams, and most of their schedule is too soft. WB may not get the #1 seed, but they did beat Centinial, tie and beat Cretin, tie Holy Angels. Yes, they did lose to Hill, but that was an entirly different team than Tartan beat.

How was the Hill White Bear lost to different from the Hill Tartan beat?

Husky88 · Post by **Husky88** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 12:31 pm

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BodyShots · Post by **BodyShots** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 12:37 pm

It's done.

1. Tartan
2. Hill
3. WBL
4. Rose
5. Still
6. MV
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