joehockey wrote:Somebody said last week enjoy the ride and you have to all through life where ever you are....going into the process the numbers were outlined - up to 360 tryout Phase I - up to 160 in Phase II - 54 in Phase III - and 8 F, 5 D & 1 G will be picked to go to Phase IV where they will be 1 of 74 kids - it isn't the best 74 kids in the country it is the one's picked from thier area to fill thier USA Hockey District Quota. Last weekend we can all point to some top players that were not there and when the F54 comes out we will all have girls who we think should or shouldn't be and when the final list for Phase IV is up we won't all agree with it. The fact is MN could supply half of the girls to the National Camp and the over all talent would go up but the quota doesn't allow it. I am not sure Phase I-II or III are much development they are competition. At Phase IV there is some great coaching and development but a lot is drills and testing to evaluate. From the Phase IV set of 74 U17 20 will go to a summer camp in August to finalize the U18 team - 6 kids played last year (I G, 1 D, 4 F) so there may only be 14 spots open - OnEdge you need to apply you College Stats experience to spin that number but it says something aobut the long odds for everyone who even made it to Plymouth for Phase II.
Are the best kids always picked or to many kids left out I don't know - was it a good experience for those there......Watching the U16 and U17 girls last weekend it was great hockey - better than most HS games. I didn't see players sweating their play near as much as any of the parents. The girls were out playing, competing hard and having fun playing hockey it was great to watch.....off the rink lots of buzz as girls from various areas of the State interacted, hugged and caught up. Phase II at $125 is a pretty cheap experience and a bargain if you got 4.5 hours of practice compared to other events that are $200-$300 like Selects, Junior Fest, Pinnacle, Gopher State, Hockey Night in Boston, Prospects....and yes I think you have to pay gate fees at those to. So if your daughter doesn't advance would you or she say boy that sure was a dumb wasted weekend?
Enjoy the ride....as a U17 parent it kind of hit me that wow we were fortunate and this is the last time we will be in this process and I know my daughter felt the same way.
Well said Joe,
I know my Daughter had a great time and made some new friends and met some old ones, And I also know when you look at the money and Gate fees I am one of the cheap ones Sorry
But what a great experience she had and is having, will the next level come around- it is out of my control but just like in the commercial.
$40 for USA Registration
$70 for Phase 1 tryouts
$125 for Spring fest or Phase2
$50 dollars for the family to get in
Making it to the next round ….PRICELESS
Edited : Crud! I forgot the $50 dollars for the family to get in
OntheEdge wrote:Good discussion. All good points. Disagreement but no name calling. Now for the Economy. Joe, one point you made that makes me sad is that it is the last time for all of this and our kids are growing up and soon this will all be just a memory. I think my daughter has enjoyed the experience which is all that really matters. The one worry I have is that we have put too much into hockey. Its a great experience but I'm hoping that my daughter realizes that its just a game and that she has bigger fish to fry in life.
Postings like this is what keeps me coming back to this forum. (it's tough sometimes).
OntheEdge I thought your daughter played great and will make it to the next phase. She was poised, passed when she should have and looked confident out there.
Again good luck to all!
Last edited by Melvin44 on Tue Mar 31, 2009 5:28 pm, edited 1 time in total.
We all love our children! We all love the game of hockey!
One can easily see this in all the posts in this thread...
Neither love will change, and no matter how expensive this sport has been to each and every one of us, we would not change much looking back...
I look back at this weekend, and feel very proud... proud of my child playing a game with so many other talented girls, a game I have loved since I was 3-4 yrs old, a game taught to me by my father... proud of all the girls that participated... proud of our Minnesota hockey traditions, and that our family is still a part of that tradition... proud to have so many good friends that we see on a weekend like we just had...
Good posts by all. Thank you all for the thoughts shared on this issue...
Now, it's off to AAA practice with the next one...
In my previous post I was just thinking out loud, basing my thoughts around considering all factors when making selections. There are players out there that perform week in and week out and posess an awsome potential for development that makes a good or great player better. My hope is the evaluators notice those things and take them into consideration. Everybody is there to bring their best, as someone mentioned that in the U17 their was one team that there wasnt much passing going on except to their HS team mates. Unfortunately that effects the ability of a player to display the game they brought. As far as goaltenders are concerned there were a couple of top goalies that got lit up. Most on strong shots and selfish defensive play. My thought is that you take that into consideration. As far as HockeyA1A's concern about my childs play I'm touched you care so much to make a general observation personal. However, I hate to disappoint you she brought her "A" game and didn't let her team down doing what she has done ALL year.
goalzilla wrote: And I also believe that sportsmanship should be taken into account. Chemestry is huge, I'm sure we've all seen it; a player in any sport may be a superstar, but their personality and behavior can be a cancer to the team.
Care to comment on this part? were you pointing your fingers at anyone in paticular? you must be talking about someone in paticular or why even bring it up? It just came off as so self serving!
Hockey A1A??? What? how can that statement be self-serving? Fortunately, my daughter was on a team of awsome kids with terriffic coaches. My point was that you can have a player who has mad skills, but an attitude or level of sportsmanship which are behaviors that could comprimise team and individual development. I just felt that these behaviors should be taken into account if possible. Again, since you are so fixated on trying to read between the lines; I will be real clear......the observations I make are in general if I have issues with anyone in particular I will call them out by name and attach my name with the comment.. ! That's called accountability; another behavior I am fond of! My apoligies to the other posters on this thread for getting off task/topic..
I thought it was a great weekend of great hockey and it is fun for the girls to see and play with/against their friends from other teams that in the HS season they might not normally have the opportunity to! Also, its great they are able to work with other coaches from other teams/programs.
I'd like to thank the coach for the team my daughter was on --who apparently sent follow-up emails to the girls' high school coaches providing feedback about them during this tryout process. The coaches and evaluators spend countless hours helping develop these awesome female players and that this coach took the extra time and effort to provide feedback to their HS coaches is admirable and appreciated!
OntheEdge wrote:Good discussion. All good points. Disagreement but no name calling. Now for the Economy. Joe, one point you made that makes me sad is that it is the last time for all of this and our kids are growing up and soon this will all be just a memory. I think my daughter has enjoyed the experience which is all that really matters. The one worry I have is that we have put too much into hockey. Its a great experience but I'm hoping that my daughter realizes that its just a game and that she has bigger fish to fry in life.
Postings like this is what keeps me coming back to this forum. (it's tough sometimes).
OntheEdge I thought your daughter played great and will make it to the next phase. She was poised, passed when she should have and looked confident out there.
Again good luck to all!
Thanks Melvin. I thought your daughter played great too. Its funny that last year my daughter and I were sitting on pins and needles. This year we are both unconcerned.
She just likes to play hockey. She told me that if she doesn't make it she will be a little disappointed for a short time and then move on. I think maturity and doing this for so long made her realize that its really out of her control and that there are lots of good players to choose. Not getting chosen, if that's what happens, will not slow her down. She might only have 2 more years. She might have more. Either way she and I want to enjoy the time left.
joehockey wrote:\ OnEdge you need to apply you College Stats experience to spin that number but it says something aobut the long odds for everyone who even made it to Plymouth for Phase II.
OnTheEdge sorry I just realized your correct screen name I meant no offense is this post or others where I called you OnEdge for some reason I thought that was it and have replied to your posts several times incorrectly - sorry thanks for all you do on the forum and for hockey I enjoy your information and perspective.
joehockey wrote:\ OnEdge you need to apply you College Stats experience to spin that number but it says something aobut the long odds for everyone who even made it to Plymouth for Phase II.
OnTheEdge sorry I just realized your correct screen name I meant no offense is this post or others where I called you OnEdge for some reason I thought that was it and have replied to your posts several times incorrectly - sorry thanks for all you do on the forum and for hockey I enjoy your information and perspective.
Oilers08 wrote:No Marah Sobczak goalie from stillwater for phase 3?
There are a number of mild surprises because there were a lot of good players to choose from. Winning it didn't do Section 2 any good. Only 1 forward and 3 D made it from Section 2.
Oilers08 wrote:No Marah Sobczak goalie from stillwater for phase 3?
There are a number of mild surprises because there were a lot of good players to choose from. Winning it didn't do Section 2 any good. Only 1 forward and 3 D made it from Section 2.
Yea, that's the one reason I question the tournament format. Some parents assume, and I am not referring to the quoted poster, that the winning section should have a number of players in the final 54. But, that's not always how it works out. My eyebrows were raised on a couple of selections, but I don't question any of the picks. I would like to see the position and team name added to the list.
Oilers08 wrote:No Marah Sobczak goalie from stillwater for phase 3?
There are a number of mild surprises because there were a lot of good players to choose from. Winning it didn't do Section 2 any good. Only 1 forward and 3 D made it from Section 2.
Yea, that's the one reason I question the tournament format. Some parents assume, and I am not referring to the quoted poster, that the winning section should have a number of players in the final 54. But, that's not always how it works out. My eyebrows were raised on a couple of selections, but I don't question any of the picks. I would like to see the position and team name added to the list.
Yes, there are a few disappointed girls but that is life.
My kid faced about 40 shots and only let in 1 against some very good players and did not make it, But that is how it is!
But she said she Ok with it.
It is just time to make some lemonade!
I believe there are 20 or 25 players who clearly show a level of skill, athleticism and desire that differentiates them from everyone else; after that the next 50 are virtually interchangeable. It seems that the evaluators chose demonstrable skill over athleticism in that group of 50. Bigger faster stronger players who may not be as polished with skill were passed over for smaller players that can stickhandle. No room for plumbers in [advanced] girls hockey I guess. If the goal is to develop talent for USA Hockey, why would they not value size and athleticism over polish. Perhaps the additional attention to the superior athlete will result in a much superior player; that is what development is about, no. Regardless, the evaluator's job cannot be easy and ultimately the talent level of the players moving on to the Final 54 is pretty high across the board. The Final 54 will be very exciting.
Blue Team
6 Ellie Mata D Moundsview 3
12 Maddie Bergh D BSM 6
13 Maddie Marcotte D WBL 4
14 Maggie Pendleton D Hill Murray 4
16 Morgan Illikainen D GRG 7
61 Rose Alleva D Red Wing 1
1 Amanda Cartony F Stillwater 4
2 Bethany Brausen F Roseville 4
4 Corinne Buie F Edina 2
5 Dana Gallop F GRG 7
7 Hillary Crowe F Blake 5
8 Jenessa Philipczyk F Stillwater 4
9 Jocie Slattery F Centennial 5
10 Kaitlin Mason F Eagan 3
15 Marissa Brandt F Hill Murray 4
11 Katie Batters F Champlin Park 5
3 Chelsea Laden G Lakeville So 1
62 Sarrah Gustafson G CEC 7
Red Team
22 Allie Duellman D Roseville 4
23 Danielle Williams D Throughbreds 5
25 Francie Piche D E. Grand Forks 8
32 Megan Dalbec D Champlin Park 5
35 Melissa Borer D BSM 6
30 Kelly Thotland D Edina 2
21 Abbie Lund F Blake 5
24 Emily Kleidon F Breck 5
26 Jennifer Saxon F Wayzata 6
27 Jordyn Burns F BSM 6
29 Kathleen Rogan F Shattuck 1
31 Kristina King F Stillwater 4
33 Megan Foley F Roseau 8
34 Meghan Lorence F Irondale 5
36 Melissa Doyle F Hill Murray 4
64 Rachael Kelly F Rosemount 3
28 Kallie Billadeau G Hopkins 6
63 Paige Turner G Duluth 7
White Team
45 Brooke Bartelt D New Prague 2
48 Katie Erickson D Elk River 8
52 Madison Marzario D Shattuck 1
65 Stephanie Hatcher D Lakeville North 1
44 Audrey Hanmer D Forest Lake 7
55 Rachel Ramsey D Minnetonka 2
41 Amanda Colin F Burnsville 3
42 Amy Olson F Roseau 8
43 Ashley Bye F Irondale 5
46 Cassandra Salmen F Stillwater 4
47 Emily Snodgrass F Eastview 3
49 Kayla Capistrant F Roseville 4
51 Lisa Turri F Stillwater 4
53 Mary Grace Flesher F Rochester Mayo 1
54 Morgan Johnson F WBL 4
56 Stephanie Anderson F Throughbreds 4
50 Lauren Joarnt G Shattuck 1
66 Tiana Press G BSM 6
Last edited by joehockey on Fri Apr 03, 2009 6:58 am, edited 1 time in total.
Blue Team
6 Ellie Mata D Moundsview 3
12 Maddie Bergh D BSM 6
13 Maddie Marcotte D WBL 4
14 Maggie Pendleton D Hill Murray 4
16 Morgan Illikainen D GRG 7
61 Rose Alleva D Red Wing 1
1 Amanda Cartony F Stillwater 4
2 Bethany Brausen F Roseville 4
4 Corinne Buie F Edina 2
5 Dana Gallop F GRG 7
7 Hillary Crowe F Blake 5
8 Jenessa Philipczyk F Stillwater 4
9 Jocie Slattery F Centennial 5
10 Kaitlin Mason F Eagan 3
15 Marissa Brandt F Hill Murray 4
11 Katie Batters F Champlin Park 5
3 Chelsea Laden G Lakeville So 1
62 Sarrah Gustafson G CEC 7
Red Team
22 Allie Duellman D Roseville 4
23 Danielle Williams D Throughbreds 5
25 Francie Piche D E. Grand Forks 8
32 Megan Dalbec D Champlin Park 5
35 Melissa Borer D BSM 6
30 Kelly Thotland D Edina 2
21 Abbie Lund F Blake 5
24 Emily Kleidon F Breck 5
26 Jennifer Saxon F Wayzata 6
27 Jordyn Burns F BSM 6
29 Kathleen Rogan F Shattuck 1
31 Kristina King F Stillwater 4
33 Megan Foley F Roseau 8
34 Meghan Lorence F Irondale 5
36 Melissa Doyle F Hill Murray 4
64 Rachael Kelly F Rosemount 3
28 Kallie Billadeau G Hopkins 6
63 Paige Turner G Duluth 7
White Team
45 Brooke Bartelt D New Prague 2
48 Katie Erickson D Elk River 8
52 Madison Marzario D Shattuck 1
65 Stephanie Hatcher D Lakeville North 1
44 Audrey Hanmer D Forest Lake 7
55 Rachel Ramsey D Minnetonka 2
41 Amanda Colin F Burnsville 3
42 Amy Olson F Roseau 8
43 Ashley Bye F Irondale 5
46 Cassandra Salmen F Stillwater 4
47 Emily Snodgrass F Eastview 3
49 Kayla Capistrant F Roseville 4
51 Lisa Turri F Stillwater 4
53 Mary Grace Flesher F Rochester Mayo 1
54 Morgan Johnson F WBL 4
56 Stephanie Anderson F Throughbreds 4
50 Lauren Joarnt G Shattuck 1
66 Tiana Press G BSM 6
The team that finished 1st only had 4 girls advanced?
and the ones finishing 5th has 10 and 6th 13 girls,
I am just curious but if they could not get it done then, do they really think they will be able to get it done later? Hmmmm!
Blue Team
Name Pos School Sec
1 Abbie Miner D Proctor/Hermantown 7
2 Allison Rolandelli D Hopkins 6
3 Caitlin Hewes D Stillwater 4
5 Delaney Middlebrook D St Paul United 4
11 Kendal Evenson D Roseville 4
12 Kira Von Steinbergs D Holy Angels 2
14 Mallory Ryan D Cottage Grove 3
4 Dani Schultz F Moris/Benson 6
6 Erin Cullen F Totino Grace 4
7 Hannah Brandt F Hill Murray 4
9 Kalli Funk F CDH 4
13 Krystal Baumann F Farmington 1
15 Mari Mankey F Coon Rapids 5
16 Molly Sparks F Eagan 3
61 Sam Knutson F N. St. Paul 4
62 Sami Reber F Edina 2
8 Hannah Dickman G Stillwater 4
10 Kayla Kreuter G N. Metro 6
Red Team
Name Pos School Sec
25 Claire Shaw D Woodbury 3
26 Danielle Buehrer D Lakeville S 1
27 Hannah Johnston D Warroad 8
33 Milica McMillan D Breck 5
36 Sam Hanson D WBL 4
21 Abby Ness F Roseau 8
22 Adelle Murphy F Roseau 8
24 Christine Brauer F Edina 2
28 Kalie Johnson F Richfield 5
29 Katy Kvasnicka F Mankato W 2
30 Kayla Mork F Breck 5
31 Leah Jensen F E. Grand Forks 8
32 Megan Bergeland F Faribault 1
34 Molly Byrne F Shattuck 1
35 Morgan Fritz/Ward F Lakeville S 1
63 Sara Carlson F Hutchison 2
23 Ali McKeever G Hill Murray 4
64 Shelby Amsely-Benzie G Warroad 8
White Team
Name Pos School Sec
42 Allie Olson D N. Wrigth Co. 8
43 Brittany Huneke D Hastings 3
46 Emma Stauber D Proctor/Hermantown 7
49 Jesse Ryan D CEC 7
53 Michelle Moran D St. Cloud Tech 8
55 Samantha Greeley D Woodbury 3
41 Allie Lacombe F Eden Prairie 2
44 Carolyn Draayer F Minnetonka 2
45 Emma Rucinski F Thoroughbreds 1
48 Hayley Epema F Crookston 8
50 Karley Sylvester F Warroad 8
51 Layla Marvin F Warroad 8
52 Leah Johnson F Chaska 2
54 Natalie Stoltz F Mounds View 5
56 Shannon Kaiser F Crookston 8
66 Taylor Kuehl F Mound Westonka 5
47 Haley Morningstar G Buffalo 6
65 Shyler Sletta G New Prague 2
Last edited by joehockey on Fri Apr 03, 2009 6:37 am, edited 1 time in total.
Sorry 
Joe, one point you made that makes me sad is that it is the last time for all of this and our kids are growing up and soon this will all be just a memory. I think my daughter has enjoyed the experience which is all that really matters. The one worry I have is that we have put too much into hockey. Its a great experience but I'm hoping that my daughter realizes that its just a game and that she has bigger fish to fry in life.
