I am talking about the right of way to step out anywhere on the street with your hand out and stop traffic. Crosswalks certainly help.
From a study done in Seattle
Does Enforcement of Pedestrian Right-of-Way Laws Increase Driver Compliance?
"The authors have been unable to demonstrate that law enforcement efforts directed at motorist violators of crosswalk laws significantly or consistently increase drivers' willingness to stop for pedestrians. It appears that even with a high degree of commitment on the part of law enforcement, the expectations from such programs should remain modest. "
Refs don't keep players safe players keep themselves safe by assuming they are always in danger. Just like someone out on the steet.
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Neumann- I am not saying you should not protect your goalie but if you blast a kid from behind and he hits the post and is concussed breaks a collerbone or worse, should that not have the same penalty enforced? As a goalie and a coach who wants his goalies protected I agree with you but I tell my kids to wrap and and throw out not blast through a pile where skates go flying or people get stepped on. Anything to the back needs to stop regardless of the place on the ice it happens.
I think that the role of the referees is being overstated by many. Actions that are taken by referees are post fact, as was mentioned earlier, the only way that a referee could prevent something from happening is to blow the whistle early and I don't see that happening.
The argument that players will stop if the referees continue to call it strictly is also flawed. I was officiating a game Thursday night and called 3 check from behind penalties (2 & 10) on 1 team. None of them warranted a game misconduct. We addressed the issue with the coach of the team who refused to take any action with his team. Later in the game a player, who had already been assessed a 2 & 10 hit a player from behind into the boards giving him a concussion. A major and game misconduct was called and instead of talking to his player the coach simply yelled at the officials.
My point is that coaches play a much larger role than referees ever will. Referees can 20 checking from behind penalties in a game, and it will make no difference if the coach(es) are not willing to accept the penalties, and accept their role in taking checking from behind out of the game.
Just my opinion, take it for what it's worth.
The argument that players will stop if the referees continue to call it strictly is also flawed. I was officiating a game Thursday night and called 3 check from behind penalties (2 & 10) on 1 team. None of them warranted a game misconduct. We addressed the issue with the coach of the team who refused to take any action with his team. Later in the game a player, who had already been assessed a 2 & 10 hit a player from behind into the boards giving him a concussion. A major and game misconduct was called and instead of talking to his player the coach simply yelled at the officials.
My point is that coaches play a much larger role than referees ever will. Referees can 20 checking from behind penalties in a game, and it will make no difference if the coach(es) are not willing to accept the penalties, and accept their role in taking checking from behind out of the game.
Just my opinion, take it for what it's worth.
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HShockeywatcher
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Apples and oranges. This is precisely why statistics is so fun but yet so deceiving.philip18 wrote:I am talking about the right of way to step out anywhere on the street with your hand out and stop traffic. Crosswalks certainly help.
From a study done in Seattle
Does Enforcement of Pedestrian Right-of-Way Laws Increase Driver Compliance?
"The authors have been unable to demonstrate that law enforcement efforts directed at motorist violators of crosswalk laws significantly or consistently increase drivers' willingness to stop for pedestrians. It appears that even with a high degree of commitment on the part of law enforcement, the expectations from such programs should remain modest. "
Refs don't keep players safe players keep themselves safe by assuming they are always in danger. Just like someone out on the steet.
Did the study say there was a zero tolerance and every person who violated was issued a penalty (fine or what have you)? No, there was "increased commitment." This is a totally different discussion, but it blows my mind how many people don't like traffic cams; it's just because they want to break the law
Very few people on here are calling for an "increased commitment" (which could be argued is what we have now compared to two or three years ago), we are calling for zero tolerance. Find a study where every stop light in the city had a cam, every stop sign had a cam and there were speed cams on the freeway and tell me there wasn't a change in running red lights, rolling over the white line and speeding.
Happy hunting to you
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For every poster on this message board or out in any hockey community with a past, present or future player to think the solution starts anywhere but their own home, are kidding themselves.
Time for everyone to start looking in the mirror, instead of pointing fingers.
All the fringe areas can, and will have an impact. But that will be minimal without the proper reinforcement from the people these players are aound the majority of time in their early lives.
Time for everyone to start looking in the mirror, instead of pointing fingers.
All the fringe areas can, and will have an impact. But that will be minimal without the proper reinforcement from the people these players are aound the majority of time in their early lives.
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What are the requirements for a game misconduct for a game ejection?
A poster who refs hockey discussed issuing 2&10 penalties for 3 checking from behind penalties and said that "None of them warranted a game misconduct" while there was a Breck player issued a 5 min major and ejected for checking from behind tonight in his first penalty of the night.
A poster who refs hockey discussed issuing 2&10 penalties for 3 checking from behind penalties and said that "None of them warranted a game misconduct" while there was a Breck player issued a 5 min major and ejected for checking from behind tonight in his first penalty of the night.
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inthestands
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Game misconduct is required when after being checked from behind, a player crashes head first into the boards or goal post.
MSHSL just issued a new rules message to all coaches and officials. In a nutshell, the minor penalty option has been removed from the following penalties.
* Check from behind
* Boarding
* Head contact
The minimum penatly for these 3 will be a 5 minute major.
MSHSL just issued a new rules message to all coaches and officials. In a nutshell, the minor penalty option has been removed from the following penalties.
* Check from behind
* Boarding
* Head contact
The minimum penatly for these 3 will be a 5 minute major.
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MNHockeyFan
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http://www.mnhockeyhub.com/news_article/show/128973inthestands wrote:Game misconduct is required when after being checked from behind, a player crashes head first into the boards or goal post.
MSHSL just issued a new rules message to all coaches and officials. In a nutshell, the minor penalty option has been removed from the following penalties.
* Check from behind
* Boarding
* Head contact
The minimum penatly for these 3 will be a 5 minute major.