goldy313 wrote:The MSHSL has to place a few schools late this summer, I doubt the CSC will reform prior to that happening.
Interesting chess match played by the CSC schools. By disbanding they accomplish their goal of getting rid of STA. If they are slow to re-form they can eliminate the possibilty of getting schools placed with them by the MSHSL that they don't want. For example, they probably don't want Spring Lake Park. SLP is way too good in football.
It might just work. They can get rid of STA & HM and add Columbia Heights & Fridley. They then can be the crappy little conference that they want to be.
goldy313 wrote:The MSHSL has to place a few schools late this summer, I doubt the CSC will reform prior to that happening.
Interesting chess match played by the CSC schools. By disbanding they accomplish their goal of getting rid of STA. If they are slow to re-form they can eliminate the possibilty of getting schools placed with them by the MSHSL that they don't want. For example, they probably don't want Spring Lake Park. SLP is way too good in football.
It might just work. They can get rid of STA & HM and add Columbia Heights & Fridley. They then can be the crappy little conference that they want to be.
Let me guess. If HM stays in the CSC, then they wont be "the crappy little conference that they want to be".
hockeyfan21 wrote:Park and Hastings want out of the SEC.
That gets the CSC to 9 if they would accept them and HM and drops SEC to 8 teams.
If CSC finds one more school to get to 10, St. Thomas is almost a lock to move to SEC instead of CSC or SSC.
Park wants out of the SEC? I knew Hastings was looking around; where do they want to go? The new CSC would basically be the old St. Paul Suburban Conference minus the Academy with Hastings and Park.
Park in a new CSC wouldn't be a terrible idea tbh, they would be one of the bigger schools in the league but wouldn't dominate in all likelihood. The only other option Hastings would feasibly have is the Big 9 but I don't know any AD that would invite that much travel voluntarily.
As far as STAA, if it's SEC vs SSC there are positives and negatives for both scenarios. I think if the administration was forced to pick one they would go to the SSC because of demographics, but they probably would be ok with the SEC considering they would get to play CDH again in all sports.
goldy313 wrote:The MSHSL has to place a few schools late this summer, I doubt the CSC will reform prior to that happening.
Interesting chess match played by the CSC schools. By disbanding they accomplish their goal of getting rid of STA. If they are slow to re-form they can eliminate the possibilty of getting schools placed with them by the MSHSL that they don't want. For example, they probably don't want Spring Lake Park. SLP is way too good in football.
It might just work. They can get rid of STA & HM and add Columbia Heights & Fridley. They then can be the crappy little conference that they want to be.
Let me guess. If HM stays in the CSC, then they wont be "the crappy little conference that they want to be".
Actually, yes. Except for hockey, HM is a good fit in the CSC. If HM remains with this group, they should be an independent for both boys and girls hockey. Spring Lake Park would be a nice addition. So would Hastings and Park. However I don't think the gang of 6 want any of these schools.
There has been talk for a few years of removing HM & STA from the conference. Obviously, they have made the move to intiate the removal of STA, but it appears, HM may be spared. I'm perfectly fine with the Pioneers staying put, but just find it interesting that schools are backing off removing HM. To me, removing HM & STA at the same time & replacing them with Park & Hastings makes sense.
As expected the CSC has re-formed with STA out, HM in and adding Hastings. Richfield was leaving anyway. Right now it's an 8 team conference which is great for scheduling purposes.
But what will the MSHSL do with those North Suburban orphans - Spring Lake Park, Irondale, Fridley and Columbia Hts? Do any of them get forced on the CSC?
It's also somewhat surprising that Park-Cottage Grove has apparently chosen to remain in the Suburban East. Although they are a South Washington County District school. Maybe they want to stay with the other 2 District high schools Woodbury and East Ridge.
stpaul wrote:As expected the CSC has re-formed with STA out, HM in and adding Hastings. Richfield was leaving anyway. Right now it's an 8 team conference which is great for scheduling purposes.
But what will the MSHSL do with those North Suburban orphans - Spring Lake Park, Irondale, Fridley and Columbia Hts? Do any of them get forced on the CSC?
I think those 4 teams would be a perfect fit for this weak new conference. That is obviously the direction the new conference wants to go.
quote]I think those 4 teams would be a perfect fit for this weak new conference. That is obviously the direction the new conference wants to go.[/quote]
The only thing that's obvious is they wanted to go in the opposite direction of St. Thomas. Can't really blame them, nobody else is going to want them either.
South Washington is having discussions still. Park wants CSC, Woodbury and Eastridge want 3 votes united in SEC. Very short sighted IMO. Park demographically is more like CSC than SEC. Yes would be largest in CSC, but has only won 1 football game in last 5 years.
Per the Pioneer Press the Classic Suburban will now be called the "Metro East" and Hastings will be the 8th member replacing St Thomas starting in 2014.
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goldy313 wrote:Per the Pioneer Press the Classic Suburban will now be called the "Metro East" and Hastings will be the 8th member replacing St Thomas starting in 2014.
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I'm surprised they wouldn't allow Park to join this new conference.
I don't think having an odd number of teams is really very workable anymore, at least in regards to football and that with some rare exceptions is the main driver for conference affiliation. Assuming the writing's on the wall and STA is going to the SEC in 2014 this makes sense, the SEC will stay at 10 teams and the Metro East/CSC gets their 8th school.
Also Park is a 6A football team, no other CSC school is a 6A team and 2 (Hill-Murray and So. St. Paul) are 4A. Everybody but Hastings is a 5A football team in the SEC, STA would be a 5A team should they join the SEC.
goldy313 wrote:I don't think having an odd number of teams is really very workable anymore, at least in regards to football and that with some rare exceptions is the main driver for conference affiliation. Assuming the writing's on the wall and STA is going to the SEC in 2014 this makes sense, the SEC will stay at 10 teams and the Metro East/CSC gets their 8th school.
Also Park is a 6A football team, no other CSC school is a 6A team and 2 (Hill-Murray and So. St. Paul) are 4A. Everybody but Hastings is a 5A football team in the SEC, STA would be a 5A team should they join the SEC.
Actually having 9 teams in the conference is ideal for football. Since the regular season consists of 8 games, each team would play everyone in their conference. With 8 teams, every team would be forced to schedule a nonconference game. I suspect the Metro East Conference opted to stay with 8 with the expectation that they would agree to schedule their non-conference games with the Metro West Conference.
Sorry PPG but your math has a fatal flaw. A 9 team conference would require one team to play a non conference game each week. (I suppose they could use the new zero week, start on August 23, and everyone would have a bye week.)
Actually, several more schools (including HM) have discussed Zero week. Be interesting to see how the Zero week progresses.
I like the idea of crossing over to play teams from the West Metro Conference. HM is finishing up a home/away series with St. Louis Park this year, so relationships have already been established.
The Park situation is still fluid. I would expect a full re-vote or at least another meeting with the AD's on admitting Park in the next week or so by the CSC AD's.
Still will be interesting to see all the placements over the next couple months for the schools that are homeless.
Sad news over the weekend, STA AD Jack Zahr suffered a major stroke and is in critical condition. Sobering to say the least. Prayers go out to him and his family.
Ya the letter could've been a death notice with the language they were using, sad day for the community. Didn't always agree with everything he did or his policy but he was an STA institution.
Now they have to find a headmaster and an athletic director in the next 12 months.
Does the decision by MSHSL placing BSM in the Metro West Conference indicate they may also decide to place STA into the Metro East Conference? The MWC didn't want BSM, but based on the criteria, the high school league placed them there anyway. With SSP, Simley, and Henry Sibley just a stone's throw away from STA, hard to dismiss the geography argument. I just think STA to the MEC makes the most sense.
Pioneerprideguy wrote:Does the decision by MSHSL placing BSM in the Metro West Conference indicate they may also decide to place STA into the Metro East Conference? The MWC didn't want BSM, but based on the criteria, the high school league placed them there anyway. With SSP, Simley, and Henry Sibley just a stone's throw away from STA, hard to dismiss the geography argument. I just think STA to the MEC makes the most sense.
No what makes the most sense is to put all these Private Schools in one Section, but the MSHSL doesn't have the balls to do this.
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Pioneerprideguy wrote:Does the decision by MSHSL placing BSM in the Metro West Conference indicate they may also decide to place STA into the Metro East Conference? The MWC didn't want BSM, but based on the criteria, the high school league placed them there anyway. With SSP, Simley, and Henry Sibley just a stone's throw away from STA, hard to dismiss the geography argument. I just think STA to the MEC makes the most sense.
The big difference is STA's dominance in the CSC in football. They are 46-3 in the CSC over the past 7 years. Yes they fit the CSC by enrollment and geography but there is a big competitive gap in several sports. BSM did not dominate the North Suburban like STA does in the CSC. I still think they will get placed in the South Suburban. I maybe favor the Suburban East if the Metro East takes Park-Cottage Grove. This might take a while. The MEC seems to be slow getting their act together.
