1. Ryan Kesti said something while skating in the crease. Thus, causing Crandall to over react and jack him in the face.
2. The refs were not calling anything. It was ridiculous. They let it get out of hand.
3. The game was not an ideal section final. Crandall played horrible, the Red Wing goalie, Will Droogsma, played amazing until the third period.
4. The last 17:02 was a joke.
Red Wing @ St Thomas 3-1-07 3A Final
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thestickler07
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Ya.... goalies don't usually serve penalties if they commit the crime.shooter111 wrote:#1. Crandall is a punk. He didnt just take a swing, he did get him in the face. All that he got is a slap on the wrist.. a 2min penalty that someone else took for him. You'd think he'd get more for that? Ryan didnt even touch the kid.
The penalty shot was questionable maybe, but in the end it didn't matter so its a mute point.shooter111 wrote:#2. This game was an ideal section final until that goal with 2 seconds in the 2nd. It really took the wind out of RW's sails. And that penalty shot was ridiculous.
Haha, I hate excuses too.shooter111 wrote:Not sure what happened in the third. STA played better, got some lucky shots, whatever, I'm not here to make excuses. Both goalies were having a great game prior to the last period.
Yea it was, too bad all Red Wing chanted were homophobic redneck chants. Seriously, I don't think St. Thomas has EVER heard "we've got girls" before.shooter111 wrote:Well.. the student section was fun..
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HShockeywatcher
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You guys are whining because your players got hit by a goalie? Maybe you should be embarrassed. Plus you got a 2 man advantage for 2 minutes, why whine? I could be wrong, but the goalie is the guy you're supposed to protect and not bad mouth, so if you do expect something from it.
From listening to it, it sounded like Red Wing had most of the first period but when St Thomas scored at the end of the 3rd Red Wing lost it.
7-2. Man, that must suck.
From listening to it, it sounded like Red Wing had most of the first period but when St Thomas scored at the end of the 3rd Red Wing lost it.
7-2. Man, that must suck.
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goalieguy1
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It seems that all the reports on here are either from kids with an axe to grind, or from the guy who didn't see the game and doesn't have much of a clue anyway, so here's what it looked like from a group that included three scouts.
STA was clearly the more talented team, but Red Wing played with a lot of grit, and with some spectacular goaltending, for two periods, until a real knuckleheaded play by a RW defenseman at the end of the period. He had the puck about five feet inside his own zone with six seconds left. All he had to do was chip it off the glass and the period would have been over. Instead, he tried to make a move, got stripped of the puck and the STA kid made a nice shot that just trickled in with the 2.4 seconds left. It really was a killer goal, because RW had to have things go perfectly to stay in it.
STAs 4th goal was a PP goal, but the RW goalie had made the initial save and had an STA player laying on top of him, so he couldn't get back to the net. Officials just missed it. The penalty shot was a good call, and the STA kid made a good shot....After that it was over, but it all goes back to that 3rd goal at the end of the 2nd period. We all believed it would have been a much more interesting 3rd period if it had started 2-2.
The consensus in our group is that STA is the 3rd or 4th-best team in Class A, and while anything can happen at state, they are unlikely to win, or even make the finals. We also all agreed that Crandall was the second-best goalie on the ice today, and it wasn't close. Does anyone know where the RW goalie is playing next year?
But congrats to STA, it's been a nice season so far.
STA was clearly the more talented team, but Red Wing played with a lot of grit, and with some spectacular goaltending, for two periods, until a real knuckleheaded play by a RW defenseman at the end of the period. He had the puck about five feet inside his own zone with six seconds left. All he had to do was chip it off the glass and the period would have been over. Instead, he tried to make a move, got stripped of the puck and the STA kid made a nice shot that just trickled in with the 2.4 seconds left. It really was a killer goal, because RW had to have things go perfectly to stay in it.
STAs 4th goal was a PP goal, but the RW goalie had made the initial save and had an STA player laying on top of him, so he couldn't get back to the net. Officials just missed it. The penalty shot was a good call, and the STA kid made a good shot....After that it was over, but it all goes back to that 3rd goal at the end of the 2nd period. We all believed it would have been a much more interesting 3rd period if it had started 2-2.
The consensus in our group is that STA is the 3rd or 4th-best team in Class A, and while anything can happen at state, they are unlikely to win, or even make the finals. We also all agreed that Crandall was the second-best goalie on the ice today, and it wasn't close. Does anyone know where the RW goalie is playing next year?
But congrats to STA, it's been a nice season so far.
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HShockeywatcher
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I will agree I didn't see the game, but I'm just calling it how the announcers called it.
So, I guess I'm curious about a few things you said then. No ill intentions involved, just curious to hear what you have to say about them.
1. How was Crandall not the best goalie on the ice? I wasn't at the game, but not often would you say the goalie who gave up 7 goals was better than the one who gave up 2.
2. Only 3rd or 4th best in state? Who do you guys have above them? Maybe Hibbing, if not are you suggesting there are 3 that made state better than them? Beyond that, they just beat a team 7-2 than Hermantown beat 3-2. I haven't seen all the 70 some odd games these three top teams have been in but I really don't see what you could use to put them down. I'd love to see them not get 1st, in fact I'd prefer 3rd.
3. I know a goal against you is bad, but how is one goal at the end of the period a game ender for them?
As much as we've quarreled in the past you do seem to have a lot of insight sometimes. Thanks
So, I guess I'm curious about a few things you said then. No ill intentions involved, just curious to hear what you have to say about them.
1. How was Crandall not the best goalie on the ice? I wasn't at the game, but not often would you say the goalie who gave up 7 goals was better than the one who gave up 2.
2. Only 3rd or 4th best in state? Who do you guys have above them? Maybe Hibbing, if not are you suggesting there are 3 that made state better than them? Beyond that, they just beat a team 7-2 than Hermantown beat 3-2. I haven't seen all the 70 some odd games these three top teams have been in but I really don't see what you could use to put them down. I'd love to see them not get 1st, in fact I'd prefer 3rd.
3. I know a goal against you is bad, but how is one goal at the end of the period a game ender for them?
As much as we've quarreled in the past you do seem to have a lot of insight sometimes. Thanks
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goalieguy1
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To your last question first: Herbie used to say, "Goals in the last minute are worth two." By that he meant that the emotional lift a team gets in that situation - and the discouragement a team feels when they give one up - is so crucial to the flow of a game that it makes a huge, huge difference. This was a textbook example of that, particularly for a team like RW that was clearly overmatched from a talent standpoint, and needed to have everything break their way to make the upset happen.
Your first question: If the teams had traded goalies before the game, STA would have won by about 12-0. That RW kid made 33 saves, and about 9 or 10 of them were as good a shot as you could hope to get....Hard wristers from 20 feet up the slot, 2-on-1 one-timers, etc. Both of Crandall's goals were bad. The first came because he panicked and overplayed a potential shot from the point. Instead, the point man made about a 50-foot cross ice pass to a kid who was still well above the circle. The RW kid stopped the pass, looked, let a snap shot go and Crandall still wasn't anywhere near his crease. The second goal was a weak little backhand shot, from a bad angle, by a defenseman who was just trying to throw it at the net. It should have been gobbled up, but Crandall fought the puck, couldn't control the rebound, didn't cover it when he got the chance and let it get knocked in. If Crandall had to face 40 quality shots like the RW kid did, it would have been double figures. And if the RW kid could play with a defense, and backcheckers, like STA's, he'd have 15 shutouts a year.
Our group felt that at least Hermantown and Duluth Marshall are better teams, and possibly Little Falls, although it's difficult to project them because of their soft schedule. STA should be the #3 seed, and whichever of Hermantown or Marshall is #2 will likely beat them in the semis. Again, just opinions, but that was the group's consensus.
Your first question: If the teams had traded goalies before the game, STA would have won by about 12-0. That RW kid made 33 saves, and about 9 or 10 of them were as good a shot as you could hope to get....Hard wristers from 20 feet up the slot, 2-on-1 one-timers, etc. Both of Crandall's goals were bad. The first came because he panicked and overplayed a potential shot from the point. Instead, the point man made about a 50-foot cross ice pass to a kid who was still well above the circle. The RW kid stopped the pass, looked, let a snap shot go and Crandall still wasn't anywhere near his crease. The second goal was a weak little backhand shot, from a bad angle, by a defenseman who was just trying to throw it at the net. It should have been gobbled up, but Crandall fought the puck, couldn't control the rebound, didn't cover it when he got the chance and let it get knocked in. If Crandall had to face 40 quality shots like the RW kid did, it would have been double figures. And if the RW kid could play with a defense, and backcheckers, like STA's, he'd have 15 shutouts a year.
Our group felt that at least Hermantown and Duluth Marshall are better teams, and possibly Little Falls, although it's difficult to project them because of their soft schedule. STA should be the #3 seed, and whichever of Hermantown or Marshall is #2 will likely beat them in the semis. Again, just opinions, but that was the group's consensus.
Goalieguy I'm not so sure Crandall's goals were as bad as you thought they were. The first goal, from my view Crandall was screened and did not even see the pass across the ice. he didn't even move because he never saw it. the second goal was caused by Vanelli stopping the puck right in front of the crease. (It was a nice play, but vanelli couldn't clear it to a corner) Crandall dived for it but a Red Wing kid picked up the puck and put it in. Neither one of these goals were totally the goalies fault. I believe the blame has to go on the Defense. Anyways, the other goalie did not impress me that much. The shot by Walters was a beauty, but there is no way somebody should score from that angle. He also had trouble controlling his rebounds, and that led to half of STA's goals. Overall, Crandall did not have a great game, but had a solid effort and in the end came away with the W. The only thing that matters.
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Wow. You STA haters are something.... You all predicted wins for Richfield, then Redwing. Now STA has dropped to 3rd or 4th predicted seed for state despite having the largest margin of victory in a section final. Interesting though they have wins over AA teams Hill, Burnsville, and now soon to be named #1 seed Edina who they lost in OT at the Schwans Cup. I realized the private school hate trip is vogue, but your really showing how little credibility you have. STA will gladly take the 3rd or 4th seed just to be able to throttle both DM and Hermantown. Both of which are one line dimensional teams. Too many pucks to the head eh? Goalieguy!goalieguy1 wrote:
The consensus in our group is that STA is the 3rd or 4th-best team in Class A, and while anything can happen at state, they are unlikely to win, or even make the finals.
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doubleOHseven
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AHA is hated because they're so good. STA is hated because of their fans on this board.spytech wrote:A bit off topic, but I was wondering:
Why is it when people on this board hate on AHA its justified and welcomed, but if STA (or perhaps any other private school) gets hated on a bit people come out of the woodwork with their panties in a bunch? lol.
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goalieguy1
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ocanada...Do you have any idea what you're talking about? Go back through this thread and you will not find me predicting a Richfield win, and you WILL find me writing about how much better STA is than Red Wing.ocanadaourhome wrote: Wow. You STA haters are something.... You all predicted wins for Richfield, then Redwing. Now STA has dropped to 3rd or 4th predicted seed for state despite having the largest margin of victory in a section final.
And again, if you have someone read my post to you, you'll learn that it wasn't just my opinion that STA is not the best Class A team in state - It was the consensus opinion in a group that included three pro scouts. They don't have any axe to grind, they don't care about public or private (nor do I), their only job is to evaluate talent. And they all felt that there are better Class A teams than STA.
And let's talk about credibility. You just wrote that STA had "the largest margin of victory in a section final." That's just a flat-out lie. Albert Lea had a bigger margin, as did Little Falls. Why don't you go back to class, work on your reading and comprehension, then find a tutor that will help you with some basic arithmetic, then come back to the board in four or five years.
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HShockeywatcher
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If St Thomas is hated because of their fans on this board then every public school should be hated.
Goalieguy, thanks for your insight, but I guess I'm just a little confused. First, from what you're saying that goal only counted for 2. But then they scored 4 more times. So it wasn't over, they just fell apart.
The 2nd part about the ol "he didn't face as many shots so he's not as good" thing. Just about any game they played they outshot their opponents by a long shot. So he's less of a goalie because he has a half-way decent (probably not much better than half-way decent) defense in front of him? I'm never going to say he's the best goalie because of the things he gives up, but if you were at the Edina game or the Hill games you'd know he makes unbelievable saves too.
It's not justified and welcomed to "hate on" any group of 14-18 year old KIDS who are playing a game, regardless of where they go to school.
I have given countless example of why St Thomas should be the #1 seed and said I'd prefer if they were the #3 seed. But how can you say "Our group felt that at least Hermantown and Duluth Marshall are better teams" after seeing them beat a team 7-2 that Hermantown beat 3-2 recently. Also, and I'm sure Marshall's a better team now too, but if you take the Crandall as of late with 5 GA in his last 11 games and the defense as of late and put them into that game at the beginning of the year they would've crushed Marhshall.
And now seeing that they got the #2 seed apparently all the private school "haters" out there didn't agree either. And Little Falls didn't even get seeded. Hmmm...
Goalieguy, thanks for your insight, but I guess I'm just a little confused. First, from what you're saying that goal only counted for 2. But then they scored 4 more times. So it wasn't over, they just fell apart.
The 2nd part about the ol "he didn't face as many shots so he's not as good" thing. Just about any game they played they outshot their opponents by a long shot. So he's less of a goalie because he has a half-way decent (probably not much better than half-way decent) defense in front of him? I'm never going to say he's the best goalie because of the things he gives up, but if you were at the Edina game or the Hill games you'd know he makes unbelievable saves too.
It's not justified and welcomed to "hate on" any group of 14-18 year old KIDS who are playing a game, regardless of where they go to school.
I have given countless example of why St Thomas should be the #1 seed and said I'd prefer if they were the #3 seed. But how can you say "Our group felt that at least Hermantown and Duluth Marshall are better teams" after seeing them beat a team 7-2 that Hermantown beat 3-2 recently. Also, and I'm sure Marshall's a better team now too, but if you take the Crandall as of late with 5 GA in his last 11 games and the defense as of late and put them into that game at the beginning of the year they would've crushed Marhshall.
And now seeing that they got the #2 seed apparently all the private school "haters" out there didn't agree either. And Little Falls didn't even get seeded. Hmmm...
HShockeywatcher wrote:If St Thomas is hated because of their fans on this board then every public school should be hated.
Goalieguy, thanks for your insight, but I guess I'm just a little confused. First, from what you're saying that goal only counted for 2. But then they scored 4 more times. So it wasn't over, they just fell apart.
The 2nd part about the ol "he didn't face as many shots so he's not as good" thing. Just about any game they played they outshot their opponents by a long shot. So he's less of a goalie because he has a half-way decent (probably not much better than half-way decent) defense in front of him? I'm never going to say he's the best goalie because of the things he gives up, but if you were at the Edina game or the Hill games you'd know he makes unbelievable saves too.
It's not justified and welcomed to "hate on" any group of 14-18 year old KIDS who are playing a game, regardless of where they go to school.
I have given countless example of why St Thomas should be the #1 seed and said I'd prefer if they were the #3 seed. But how can you say "Our group felt that at least Hermantown and Duluth Marshall are better teams" after seeing them beat a team 7-2 that Hermantown beat 3-2 recently. Also, and I'm sure Marshall's a better team now too, but if you take the Crandall as of late with 5 GA in his last 11 games and the defense as of late and put them into that game at the beginning of the year they would've crushed Marhshall.
And now seeing that they got the #2 seed apparently all the private school "haters" out there didn't agree either. And Little Falls didn't even get seeded. Hmmm...
YOU are the reason why there are so many STA haters!
Just callin'
it like I see it.....Can't thank you enough for the time.
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Oh c'mon... why do you associate yourself with the innocent private school posters? They are clearly different.HShockeywatcher wrote:Just callin' it like I see it. If I'm the reason people hate St Thomas, no one should like any public schools because of how people talk down about private schools.
I do not hate STA, but the STA posters on this board are rediculous, and everyone knows that.
The anti-private school issue is different. It's not like we hate all the posters who support private schools.... a lot of them offer orginal insight and don't hold mirrors in front of themselves and tell you they can see more clearly through it.
My point is this: STA has a bad rep on this board because of posters like you. OTHER Private schools have a bad rep on this board simply because they have the talent shipped in.
You can argue all day about how everyone hates STA because they're a private school.... well, put that mirror down, watcher, and look around,.. because everyone who doesn't like STA doesn't like them because of you!
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thestickler07 wrote:Ya.... goalies don't usually serve penalties if they commit the crime.shooter111 wrote:#1. Crandall is a punk. He didnt just take a swing, he did get him in the face. All that he got is a slap on the wrist.. a 2min penalty that someone else took for him. You'd think he'd get more for that? Ryan didnt even touch the kid.
Yea it was, too bad all Red Wing chanted were homophobic redneck chants. Seriously, I don't think St. Thomas has EVER heard "we've got girls" before.shooter111 wrote:Well.. the student section was fun..
Alright, you'll have to let my post slide. I was still halfway worked up about RW losing since it was close for so long.
I know goalies usually dont serve penalties, I was saying it could have maybe been more time.
& the whole student section thing. I dont think we've ever heard "start the tractors" before.. Oh wait, thats because we really havent. What do you think we all live on farms and milk cows before class? Most of the people in our school live in town. Oh, and "you wear purple"? thats completely original too, congratulations.
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