Polls and Rankings

joehockey · Post by **joehockey** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 7:43 am

hockeyrube7 wrote:Public Pole. As of 6pm with 9 voters here are the results. Points were 1 vote for first equaled 10, all the way down to 1 vote for 10th equaled 1 point, and the point lined them up 1-10. Good for now. We can run this again on Friday.

1. Hopkins
2. Roseville
3. Warroad
4. Stillwater
5. Hill Murray
6. Blake
7. Grand Rapids
8. Roseau
9. Edina
10. Eagan

Also getting votes.
11. White Bear Lake
12. Minnetonka
13. Centennial
14. Breck
15. Irondale
16. Blaine

Great stuff I wonder if polling after Saturday scores through Sunday and posting on Monday would be a way to look at this each week. This Sautrday will have Hopkins and Edina dualing.

FrankThom · Post by **FrankThom** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 9:53 am

It's early yet, but it's interesting to see teams with poor win-loss records giving ranked teams more than they can handle.

gogogophers35 · Post by **gogogophers35** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:26 pm

Dec 18th LPH Rankings.

AA
1 HOPKINS
2 Roseville
3 Stillwater
4 Hill-Murray
5 Grand Rapids/Greenway
6 Edina
7 M innetonka
8 Irondale
9 Centennial
10 Proctor/Hermantown
11 White Bear Lake
12 Eagan
13 Blaine
14 Benilde-St. Margaret’s
15 Duluth
16 Cloquet
17 Holy Angels
18 Eastview
19 Wayzata
20 Andover

A
1 BLAKE
2 Warroad
3 Roseau
4 Breck
5 Crookston/Red Lake
6 Alexandria
7 Mankato West
8 Mound Westonka
9 South St. Paul
10 Northfield
11 Hutchinson
12 Totino-Grace
15 Visitation/SPA United
14 Henry Sibley
13 Hibbing/Chisholm
16 East Grand Forks
18 Orono
17 Fergus Falls
19 New Ulm
20 Faribault

hockeywild7 · Post by **hockeywild7** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:51 pm

1. Hopkins 6AA
2. Roseville 4AA
3. Stillwater 4AA
4. Hill-Murray 4AA
5. Grand Rapids 7AA
6. Edina 2AA
7. Minnetonka 2AA
8. Irondale 5AA
9. Centennial 5AA
10. Proctor 7AA
11. White Bear 4AA
12. Eagan 3AA
13. Blaine 5AA
14. Benilde 6AA
15. Duluth 7AA
16. Cloquet 7AA
17. Holy Angels 2AA
18. Eastview 3AA
19. Wayzata 6AA
20. Andover 5AA

hockeya1a · Post by **hockeya1a** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:57 pm

hockeywild7 wrote:1. Hopkins 6AA
2. Roseville 4AA
3. Stillwater 4AA
4. Hill-Murray 4AA
5. Grand Rapids 7AA
6. Edina 2AA
7. Minnetonka 2AA
8. Irondale 5AA
9. Centennial 5AA
10. Proctor 7AA
11. White Bear 4AA
12. Eagan 3AA
13. Blaine 5AA
14. Benilde 6AA
15. Duluth 7AA
16. Cloquet 7AA
17. Holy Angels 2AA
18. Eastview 3AA
19. Wayzata 6AA
20. Andover 5AA

What" no 1AA in the top 20?

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:36 pm

hockeya1a wrote:What" no 1AA in the top 20?

No 8AA either - I thought Bemidji might make an appearance.

Game Misconduct · Post by **Game Misconduct** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:41 pm

I think silver Bay will start creeping in the A polls soon. They tied Duluth and beat Cloquet last week.

joehockey · Post by **joehockey** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:36 pm

Top 20 Records

1/1/1/3/4 Hopkins 6AA 8-0-0
2/2/2/2/3 Roseville 4AA 6-1-1 (lost to #1 Hopkins, tied Woodbury)
3/3/3/4/2 Stillwater 4AA 8-1-0 (lost to Hill Murray)
4/4/4/5/8 Hill-Murray 4AA 6-2-0 (lost to Warroad, Grand Rapids OT)
5/6/6/7/6 Grand Rapids 7AA 7-2-0 (lost to Roseville, Bemidji)
6/5/5/1/1 Edina 2AA 5-3-2 (lost to Blake, Stillwater, Warroad, tied BSM, Centennial)
7/7/7/6/5 Minnetonka 2AA 6-4-1 (lost to Roseau, Warroad, Centennial, Hopkins, tied Blaine)
8/8/9/10/14 Irondale 5AA 7-1-0 (lost to Proctor)
9/9/12/8/7 Centennial 5AA 6-2-1 (lost to Hopkins, Blaine, tied Edina)
10/10/8/11/15 Proctor 7AA 6-1-0 (lost to NSP)
11/13/11/9/9 White Bear 4AA 8-3-0 (lost to Hill Murray, GRG OT, Roseville OT)
12/15/14/14/19 Eagan 3AA 8-1-0 (lost to Breck)
13/11/13/13/13 Blaine 5AA 4-4-2 (lost to Edina, GRG, WBL, Champlin Park, tied Andover, Minnetonka, )
14. Benilde 6AA 3-3-2 (lost to CEC, GRG, Minnetonka, tied Edina, Wayzata)
15. Duluth 7AA 9-1-1 (lost to GRG, tied Silver Bay)
16/14/15/17/18 Cloquet 7AA 6-5-0 (lost to Stillwater, Duluth, GRG, Proctor, Silver Bay)
17. Holy Angels 2AA 6-4-0 (Hutchinson, Warroad, Roseau, Minnetonka)
18/20 Eastview 3AA 5-1-2 (lost to Breck, tied Hastings, Burnsville)
19. Wayzata 6AA 4-3-1 (lost to Mayo, Proctor, N. Metro, tied BSM)
20. Andover 5AA 3-5-2 (lost to Moundsview, Maple Grove, Irondale, Centennial, Blake, tied Blaine, N. Metro)

Unranked that should be?

North Wright County 11-1
Bemidji 7-1

chickendance · Post by **chickendance** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 7:29 pm

Apparently N Wright and Bemidji have to beat Andover to break in.

jumpstart · Post by **jumpstart** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:18 am

joehockey wrote:Top 20 Records

11/13/11/9/9 White Bear 4AA 8-3-0 (lost to Hill Murray, GRG, Roseville in OT)

Just to set the record straight: WBL's loss to GRG was also an OT loss.

joehockey · Post by **joehockey** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:48 am

jumpstart wrote:
joehockey wrote:Top 20 Records

11/13/11/9/9 White Bear 4AA 8-3-0 (lost to Hill Murray, GRG, Roseville in OT)
Just to set the record straight: WBL's loss to GRG was also an OT loss.

Great corrected three 1 goal losses to 3 top teams....WBL should be ranked higher and is a dangerous team for any to face.....watch out Stillwater next Tuesday. Who was hurt and is out for WBL Lowell?

DmanDad1980 · Post by **DmanDad1980** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:45 am

hockeywild7 wrote:
What" no 1AA in the top 20?

1AA...
There are some good teams in 1AA, but NWC & Bemidji may be more deserving at this time to be in the Top 20, but by year end there may be some noise from 1AA... Here are the 1AA teams and their current records:

Section 1AA Standings

Rochester Mayo 7-2 (Won Last 5)
Owatonna 6-2 (Won Last 5)
Lakeville South 7-3 (Won Last 4)
Lakeville North 7-3 (Won Last 4)
Dodge County 4-3 (Won 1)
Farmington 5-4-1
Rochester John Marshall 2-7 (Won 1)
Winona 1-4 (Lost Last 3)
Rochester Century 1-7 (Lost Last 6)

ice29 · Post by **ice29** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:55 am

Game Misconduct wrote:I think silver Bay will start creeping in the A polls soon. They tied Duluth and beat Cloquet last week.

A
1 BLAKE
2 Warroad
3 Roseau
4 Breck
5 Silver Bay Record 7-1-1
6 Crookston/Red Lake
7 Mankato West
8 Mound Westonka
9 South St. Paul
10 Northfield

This is an accurate placement #5 for Silver Bay. A tough SOS and (3)AA wins and a tie. Wins over Cloquet,Shakopee,Superior and tie with Duluth. Not many ranked "A" teams that have played (4) AA schools without a loss

hockeyheaven · Post by **hockeyheaven** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:24 am

Here we go again, 12/19 (IMO need to go to atleast top 15)

Hopkins
Stillwater
Warroad
Hill Murray
Blake
Roseville
Edina
Grand Rapids
White Bear Lake
Roseau
Centennial
PHM
Irondale
Minnetonka
Blaine

jumpstart · Post by **jumpstart** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:35 am

joehockey wrote:
jumpstart wrote:
joehockey wrote:Top 20 Records

11/13/11/9/9 White Bear 4AA 8-3-0 (lost to Hill Murray, GRG, Roseville in OT)
Just to set the record straight: WBL's loss to GRG was also an OT loss.
Great corrected three 1 goal losses to 3 top teams....WBL should be ranked higher and is a dangerous team for any to face.....watch out Stillwater next Tuesday. Who was hurt and is out for WBL Lowell?

Yes, Crysta Lowell is out with a knee injury she received in the Blaine game. I understand she had surgery yesterday and will be out for the season. It will be a big loss as she is a physical presence on the ice, handles the puck very well, and has a nice shot. My best wishes to Crysta for a speedy and complete recovery.

Game Misconduct · Post by **Game Misconduct** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 1:37 pm

ice29 wrote:
Game Misconduct wrote:I think silver Bay will start creeping in the A polls soon. They tied Duluth and beat Cloquet last week.
A
1 BLAKE
2 Warroad
3 Roseau
4 Breck
5 Silver Bay Record 7-1-1
6 Crookston/Red Lake
7 Mankato West
8 Mound Westonka
9 South St. Paul
10 Northfield

This is an accurate placement #5 for Silver Bay. A tough SOS and (3)AA wins and a tie. Wins over Cloquet,Shakopee,Superior and tie with Duluth. Not many ranked "A" teams that have played (4) AA schools without a loss

Agreed... Maybe next week Lets Play "Metro" Hockey will get the word

allhoc11 · Post by **allhoc11** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 1:53 pm

DmanDad1980 wrote: 1AA...
There are some good teams in 1AA, but NWC & Bemidji may be more deserving at this time to be in the Top 20, but by year end there may be some noise from 1AA... Here are the 1AA teams and their current records:

Section 1AA Standings

Rochester Mayo 7-2 (Won Last 5)
Owatonna 6-2 (Won Last 5)
Lakeville South 7-3 (Won Last 4)
Lakeville North 7-3 (Won Last 4)
Dodge County 4-3 (Won 1)
Farmington 5-4-1
Rochester John Marshall 2-7 (Won 1)
Winona 1-4 (Lost Last 3)
Rochester Century 1-7 (Lost Last 6)

At this point, I see some impressive records, but looking at the scores on MGHCA, I don't see many quality wins. Typically in order to get ranked teams need to play and beat ranked teams. I don't see many/if any wins over top 10 A/or top 20 AA teams.

State Champ 97 · Post by **State Champ 97** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 5:53 pm

Bemidji has wins over ranked teams as well as playing tight battles in both of their losses against (Warroad 3-2 L)and Roseau (5-3 L)but still aren't ranked. I think game misconduct got it right. Let's Play "Metro" Hockey.

DmanDad1980 · Post by **DmanDad1980** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:35 pm

allhoc11 wrote:
At this point, I see some impressive records, but looking at the scores on MGHCA, I don't see many quality wins. Typically in order to get ranked teams need to play and beat ranked teams. I don't see many/if any wins over top 10 A/or top 20 AA teams.

Wow, never would have thought of that...

Mayo: Wins - #19AA Wayzata, #7A Mankato West, and Section 1AA rival Lakeville North 5-0; not great but respectable

FrankThom · Post by **FrankThom** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 12:23 am

At this point, I see some impressive records, but looking at the scores on MGHCA, I don't see many quality wins. Typically in order to get ranked teams need to play and beat ranked teams. I don't see many/if any wins over top 10 A/or top 20 AA teams.

Right now, many ranked teams do not have impressive wins. For whatever reason, the LPH pollsters have been slow to drop undeserving teams and recognize new teams.

If my quick look is correct:

White Bear Lake (11) has beaten two teams with winning records. Moundsview (6-4-1) and NSP (6-4-1).

Cloquet (16) has beaten two teams with winning records. North Metro (5-4-2) and Cambridge (5-4-1).

Holy Angels (17) has beaten one AA team with a winning record. North Metro (5-4-2).

Wayzata (19) has beaten one team with a winning record. Sibley (6-4).

Andover (20) has not beaten any team with a winning record.

Bemidji, North Wright County, Mayo, Lakeville North and Lakeville South all deserve some consideration.

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 1:54 am

Strength of Schedule SOS is important... Of the ranked teams with few wins vs teams with winning records - we should look at the SOS of their opponents (with losing records) as well...

If you play the top 10 of 130 teams in the state and you are 4-6-0 should you be ranked in the top 10? Or, more importantly here, a team that beats you be ranked in the top 10?

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:10 pm

I'm doing the old KRACH version of the QRF Power Rankings...

http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic. ... 354#407354

Some old info about this in years past...

http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic. ... &start=125

joehockey · Post by **joehockey** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 9:33 pm

ghshockeyfan wrote:I'm doing the old KRACH version of the QRF Power Rankings...

http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic. ... 354#407354

Some old info about this in years past...

http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic. ... &start=125

The new top 20 in AA (Andover exposed...)

CLASS AA

RK TEAM RECORD RATING
1 Hopkins 10-0-0 1351.131
2 Hill-Murray 7-2-0 342.117
3 Roseville 10-1-1 298.78
4 Grand Rapids/Greenway 8-2-0 292.524
5 Stillwater Area 9-1-0 259.102
6 Bemidji 7-2-0 199.385
7 Proctor/Hermantown/Duluth Marshall 8-1-0 141.928
8 Centennial 7-2-1 134.958
9 Edina 5-4-2 121.073
10 Duluth Area 8-1-1 120.084
11 Irondale 9-1-0 115.556
12 White Bear Lake 8-3-0 109.233
13 Minnetonka 7-4-1 108.622
14 North Wright County 13-1-0 69.918
15 Eagan 9-2-0 62.812
16 Maple Grove 7-4-0 54.593
17 Eastview 8-1-2 53.472
18 Blaine 5-4-3 52.464
19 North St. Paul 6-4-0 49.402
20 Cloquet/Esko/Carlton 6-5-0 49.268

State Champ 97 · Post by **State Champ 97** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 8:11 am

chickendance wrote:Apparently N Wright and Bemidji have to beat Andover to break in.

Bemidji plays Andover on Monday at the Andover Holiday Tournament.

chickendance · Post by **chickendance** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 12:18 pm

We'll see if it matters to the pollsters. Good luck!

Who else is in the tourney?