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Most people probably do like you did and look at lee's site, wikipedia, google it, or check the tournement book to see who the champions of the past are.hockey59 wrote:If certain teams want to play Class A hockey...even though they have TOP programs...to collect some hardware as State Champions..more power to them.
All most people are interested in (and remember) is who wins the AA title...since 2000 Blaine, ER, AHA, Anoka, Centennial, AHA, CDH, Roseau, HM, EP, Edina and EP. Who remembers who won the class A?
Teams like STA, Breck, Duluth Marshall...and even Hermantown (where most of the new housing in the Duluth area has been built the past 15 years) should be playing AA...plain and simple.
But if these TOP programs are satisfied where they're at...to quote iceman (from top gun): "The, ah, plaque for the alternates is down in the ladies room!"
I didn't (need to) refer to "lee's site, wikipedia, google it, or check the tournament book to see who the champions of the past are". I remember who they were...but yes, I would have to do this to know who won the Class A titles.defense wrote:Most people probably do like you did and look at lee's site, wikipedia, google it, or check the tournement book to see who the champions of the past are.hockey59 wrote:If certain teams want to play Class A hockey...even though they have TOP programs...to collect some hardware as State Champions..more power to them.
All most people are interested in (and remember) is who wins the AA title...since 2000 Blaine, ER, AHA, Anoka, Centennial, AHA, CDH, Roseau, HM, EP, Edina and EP. Who remembers who won the class A?
Teams like STA, Breck, Duluth Marshall...and even Hermantown (where most of the new housing in the Duluth area has been built the past 15 years) should be playing AA...plain and simple.
But if these TOP programs are satisfied where they're at...to quote iceman (from top gun): "The, ah, plaque for the alternates is down in the ladies room!"
Wow for a self discribed "Non Hermantown fan, just an old hockey fan of small town schools" you sure have an intimate knowledge of the roster of hermantown.Northhcky wrote:This is a HS forum not peewees. And what are you talking about? You say that Hermantown has open enrollment then you say it is closed. Which is it? lolhawkey1 wrote:Hermantown is the only school in the state I know of that year in, year out doesn't accept open enrolled students. They operate at capacity and students have to live in the attendance zone to attend. This is not true for most schools in the state. Which, to me, is a great thing.
This is untrue Hermantown has open enrollement it is currently closed. Hermantowns peewee A and B1 teams are going to state this year. The A team has 4 open enrolled players and the B1's have 3.
Here i'll set you straight...there are NO open enrolled players on Hermantowns HS team and there is no open enrollment at the HS level. Yes in some of the lower grades the school was not at capacity and they allowed a few in. They will not be playing at the HS level unless you live in the school district.
Nice research Northhickey too bad your not a fan of HermantownThe comment wasn't about the youth levels. The high school doesn't accept open enroll applications for any reason. They operate at capacity...as far as I've always heard.hawkey1 wrote:I know this is a HS forum Northhcky. I was simply responding to someone stating Hermantown doesnt have openrollment. Altough I can't speak for the HS team the youth levels have several open enrolled players that when they reach HS they play where they go to school not where they live.
Just Checking wrote:Wow for a self discribed "Non Hermantown fan, just an old hockey fan of small town schools" you sure have an intimate knowledge of the roster of hermantown.Northhcky wrote:This is a HS forum not peewees. And what are you talking about? You say that Hermantown has open enrollment then you say it is closed. Which is it? lolhawkey1 wrote:
Here i'll set you straight...there are NO open enrolled players on Hermantowns HS team and there is no open enrollment at the HS level. Yes in some of the lower grades the school was not at capacity and they allowed a few in. They will not be playing at the HS level unless you live in the school district.
Yoy might want to check your facts. MSHSL rule says you have to live in the district that you wish to play a sport in. Not where you may have been going to school. I could be wrong but thats the way i read it.hawkey1 wrote:I know this is a HS forum Northhcky. I was simply responding to someone stating Hermantown doesnt have openrollment. Altough I can't speak for the HS team the youth levels have several open enrolled players that when they reach HS they play where they go to school not where they live.
No, you can go to school anywhere you like in Minnesota, and participate in your sport right away as long as you entered that school as a freshman.Northhcky wrote:Yoy might want to check your facts. MSHSL rule says you have to live in the district that you wish to play a sport in. Not where you may have been going to school. I could be wrong but thats the way i read it.hawkey1 wrote:I know this is a HS forum Northhcky. I was simply responding to someone stating Hermantown doesnt have openrollment. Altough I can't speak for the HS team the youth levels have several open enrolled players that when they reach HS they play where they go to school not where they live.
You are correct sir. When AHA, HM and CDH have won the "big school" trophy with the "big boys" there were negative comments on here about it.celly93 wrote:I feel like everyone would still be mad if HM or BSM won, even though they opted up.
Like i said it's the way i understood the rule and i could be wrong. I stand corrected.defense wrote:No, you can go to school anywhere you like in Minnesota, and participate in your sport right away as long as you entered that school as a freshman.Northhcky wrote:Yoy might want to check your facts. MSHSL rule says you have to live in the district that you wish to play a sport in. Not where you may have been going to school. I could be wrong but thats the way i read it.hawkey1 wrote:I know this is a HS forum Northhcky. I was simply responding to someone stating Hermantown doesnt have openrollment. Altough I can't speak for the HS team the youth levels have several open enrolled players that when they reach HS they play where they go to school not where they live.
This is something that is correct.HShockeywatcher wrote:You are correct sir. When AHA, HM and CDH have won the "big school" trophy with the "big boys" there were negative comments on here about it.celly93 wrote:I feel like everyone would still be mad if HM or BSM won, even though they opted up.
It's not about "fixing" a problem, it's about having something to complain about. It always is. That likely won't change anytime soon.
People love to hate...defense wrote:This is something that is correct.HShockeywatcher wrote:You are correct sir. When AHA, HM and CDH have won the "big school" trophy with the "big boys" there were negative comments on here about it.celly93 wrote:I feel like everyone would still be mad if HM or BSM won, even though they opted up.
It's not about "fixing" a problem, it's about having something to complain about. It always is. That likely won't change anytime soon.
Nope. This is what this thread is about:stmartin123 wrote:People love to hate...defense wrote:This is something that is correct.HShockeywatcher wrote: You are correct sir. When AHA, HM and CDH have won the "big school" trophy with the "big boys" there were negative comments on here about it.
It's not about "fixing" a problem, it's about having something to complain about. It always is. That likely won't change anytime soon.
This entire thread is blah blah blah blaaah aaannnnd Down with privates! That is all i take away from it.
Oh really is that what it is about? I don't need YOU to tell me what I think a thread is about. It sounds like the reason you don't like the class A private schools is because the last time you played was when you got smacked around by a couple of Cadets at the X!rainier wrote:Nope. This is what this thread is about:stmartin123 wrote:People love to hate...defense wrote: This is something that is correct.
This entire thread is blah blah blah blaaah aaannnnd Down with privates! That is all i take away from it.
There are teams drawing from AA-sized talent pools masquerading as A-sized teams. Nearly all of the other public schools surrounding the private schools in the Twin Cities, Duluth, Rochester, and St. Cloud are AA sized, and a significant portion of the top hockey talent from these large communities congregates at the private schools, thus they should be considered AA schools. It gives them a HUGE advantage and it makes a mockery of the MSHSL's intention when they created Class A in hockey.
What you think a thread is about is irrelevant. What the thread really is about is not. This thread is about teams drawing from AA-sized talent pools masquerading as A-sized teams and that it should be addressed by the MSHSL. Read the title of the thread and the comments that are closest to its intended discussion.stmartin123 wrote:Oh really is that what it is about? I don't need YOU to tell me what I think a thread is about. It sounds like the reason you don't like the class A private schools is because the last time you played was when you got smacked around by a couple of Cadets at the X!rainier wrote:Nope. This is what this thread is about:stmartin123 wrote: People love to hate...
This entire thread is blah blah blah blaaah aaannnnd Down with privates! That is all i take away from it.
There are teams drawing from AA-sized talent pools masquerading as A-sized teams. Nearly all of the other public schools surrounding the private schools in the Twin Cities, Duluth, Rochester, and St. Cloud are AA sized, and a significant portion of the top hockey talent from these large communities congregates at the private schools, thus they should be considered AA schools. It gives them a HUGE advantage and it makes a mockery of the MSHSL's intention when they created Class A in hockey.
That the only ones you can debate should be moved up would be the private prep schools. Read please.defense wrote:And....?????? Your point?????MHGr8ness wrote:AA and A are based off of enrollment, not abilitydefense wrote:Time for my annual opinion on this: It don't matter. If ya gonna be State Champion, ya gotta beat someone. Period. Without the cake eating preppies, there would be that much less excitement...no one to cheer against, no big ugly bad guy, no evil empire.
Besides, you really want to wreck the integrity of it even more???? I do not.
One class or leave it alone.
My alma matter was the victim of these prep schools way more than their share of the time, I figure if they lost to them, they just weren't good enough..guess what??? they aint gotta worry about anymore 'cause they aint good enough to get to the X.
Finally, there are way more schools than just the private prep school who should move to AA.....
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The reason I mention it several times is that I think it's all that needs to be said. Unless you have proof Hermantown is bringing in significant numbers of players from outside their district, don't even bring it up, it is baseless. Oh, and the other 3 teams you claim bring in other kids, news flash, they are ALREADY in AA.Just Checking wrote:Rainier we have heard your AA talent pool comment several times. We get it. What the thread is also about is the denial that the schools like Hermantown with a winning program don't bring kids into their program through that tradition. Intended or not. Because a kid moves in from Proctor or Denfield, or other surrounding areas or simply open enrolls early in their development then it does not qualify for your AA size talent pool. Give it a rest. Hermantown and other programs like EAST, Moorehead, Roseau draw kids from a longer distance than would be covered by a AAA school. They have tradition and people what their kids to play with the best and be on the best teams. Why are Denfeild, Central, and Proctor so bad all the time? Explain that.
One tournament?!?!? Mind blown right?Nostalgic Nerd wrote:If you look at the model you presented it shows how the eight supersection matchups are essentially A vs AA teams. It's like two tournaments we have now except they're facing each other in one tournament.
Honestly if AA really is that much better than A should it really matter? I thought this was the JV league? The state teams in A would stack up more favorably with the best in AA than many would give them credit for...Nostalgic Nerd wrote:"Equal" shot and "opportunity" means you get to play and compete. It doesn't mean we should give them advantages. That is manipulation because it encourages a certain type of outcome.
rainier wrote:The reason I mention it several times is that I think it's all that needs to be said. Unless you have proof Hermantown is bringing in significant numbers of players from outside their district, don't even bring it up, it is baseless. Oh, and the other 3 teams you claim bring in other kids, news flash, they are ALREADY in AA.Just Checking wrote:Rainier we have heard your AA talent pool comment several times. We get it. What the thread is also about is the denial that the schools like Hermantown with a winning program don't bring kids into their program through that tradition. Intended or not. Because a kid moves in from Proctor or Denfield, or other surrounding areas or simply open enrolls early in their development then it does not qualify for your AA size talent pool. Give it a rest. Hermantown and other programs like EAST, Moorehead, Roseau draw kids from a longer distance than would be covered by a AAA school. They have tradition and people what their kids to play with the best and be on the best teams. Why are Denfeild, Central, and Proctor so bad all the time? Explain that.
Central no longer exists, Denfeld is bad because their players go to East (AA school) and Marshall (should be AA). Proctor had a pretty decent team last year and has made it to state in A in the past, but they are just not as passionate of a hockey community.
The MSHSL split into two classes so that teams with smaller talent pools to select from would have a tournament, and what some of these private schools are doing is making a mockery of this.
It's plain to see and you can try to deflect the conversation with extraneous side arguments all you want, but the truth is that these schools have access to WAY more kids than the public A schools.
The fact that other private schools have opted up with great success makes schools like STA and Breck look terrible.
3 of them all better then all the 6 boys with D1 commitments and Mr. Hockey nominations.
Then why not condense them in sectionals? Because many of the A-teams would not make it to the tourney. You base sectionals on geograph, but there shouldn't be an intent of any kind. To do so is unjust. If a small town is good enough they'll make it. If not, get better.thestickler07 wrote:One tournament?!?!? Mind blown right?Nostalgic Nerd wrote:If you look at the model you presented it shows how the eight supersection matchups are essentially A vs AA teams. It's like two tournaments we have now except they're facing each other in one tournament.
Honestly if AA really is that much better than A should it really matter? I thought this was the JV league? The state teams in A would stack up more favorably with the best in AA than many would give them credit for...Nostalgic Nerd wrote:"Equal" shot and "opportunity" means you get to play and compete. It doesn't mean we should give them advantages. That is manipulation because it encourages a certain type of outcome.
