Grant Besse

minnscout · Post by **minnscout** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:38 pm

Besse is much bigger than kloos, Besse is 5 11 180 lbs that is not that small for hockey player. I know what you mean though, if you have a great college career and you are UFA you can pick your spot.

Nostalgic Nerd · Post by **Nostalgic Nerd** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:42 pm

Kloos didn't do that much for me. I didn't really care for his work ethic when he didn't have the puck, or was stopped with the puck. He didn't stick out the way Besse or Sampair did. Sometimes I felt like he disappeared.

xy · Post by xy » Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:59 pm

I wouldn't say much bigger - Kloos is a legitimate 5'9" and at least 170. I know you see varying heights out there, but I have stood next to him and can verify those.

keepyourheadup · Post by **keepyourheadup** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:29 pm

Justin and Grant are very different players. One plays wing the other center. They both have earned what ever success has come their way and will get a chance to prove they can play at the next level.

As for Kloos, his team scored 6 goals, he was involved in 4. Two game winning goals, I'm sure most coaches would love to have a guy dissappear like that. I can assure you of this much..he was doing exactly what his coach was asking him to do.

PuckU126 · Post by **PuckU126** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:32 pm

Did anyone else chuckle when Lou Nanne said, "Besse."

That slight lisp and accent of his made it sound funny.

JDUBBS1280 · Post by **JDUBBS1280** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:51 pm

minnscout wrote:Besse is much bigger than kloos, Besse is 5 11 180 lbs that is not that small for hockey player. I know what you mean though, if you have a great college career and you are UFA you can pick your spot.

Let me correct you on Besse's size for the second time. He's 5'10" and 170 lbs. And Kloos is 5'9" and 177 lbs. I seriously question whether you have the slightest clue as to what you are talking about.

JDUBBS1280 · Post by **JDUBBS1280** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:56 pm

Nostalgic Nerd wrote:Kloos didn't do that much for me. I didn't really care for his work ethic when he didn't have the puck, or was stopped with the puck. He didn't stick out the way Besse or Sampair did. Sometimes I felt like he disappeared.

Do Besse and Sampair draw the same attention as Kloos? No, they don't. Kloos scored more points on a worse team than Besse or Sampair, and out scored both in Elite League play. Plus, Lakeville South played the 14th toughest schedule while BSM played the 26th toughest and Hill-Murray the 23rd toughest. People put way too much emphasis on one tournament.

Neuuman · Post by **Neuuman** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:59 pm

Nostalgic Nerd wrote:Kloos didn't do that much for me. I didn't really care for his work ethic when he didn't have the puck, or was stopped with the puck. He didn't stick out the way Besse or Sampair did. Sometimes I felt like he disappeared.

Ask any coach he's ever had and I'm sure they'd tell you his work ethic is second to none. Maybe YOU could go out and play 25-26 minutes of a 51 minute game at forward and go all 200 feet of the rink each shift. Maybe you're that good.

lnhsshaun · Post by **lnhsshaun** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:18 pm

Neuuman wrote:
Nostalgic Nerd wrote:Kloos didn't do that much for me. I didn't really care for his work ethic when he didn't have the puck, or was stopped with the puck. He didn't stick out the way Besse or Sampair did. Sometimes I felt like he disappeared.
Ask any coach he's ever had and I'm sure they'd tell you his work ethic is second to none. Maybe YOU could go out and play 25-26 minutes of a 51 minute game at forward and go all 200 feet of the rink each shift. Maybe you're that good.

love it

BBB · Post by **BBB** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:45 am

Go to the USHL. Besse is turning 18, its his draft year, and should develop playing in 60-70 competitive games against guys his age; not 10-15 somewhat competitive 51 min hs games against rosters filled with 15-17 yr olds. If he feels he might get "bumped" around in the USHL maybe be should go to the BCHL, I hear they are guaranteeing MN players 75 points if they come out there and play. The USHL has got younger and isn't nearly as rough as it was 10-15 years ago. If Besse isn't ready for that at 18, he might not fit into the WCHA at 19 very well.
Gopher Blog, Grimaldi (5-6) was projected to go 32 on the final while Ambroz (6-3) was rated 31 but went around 125. Lucia (6-3) slid too but was projected to go 34. The kid projected to go 33 was 6-5 and slid as well. Maybe the new NHL is just right for Cammarata to make it. Who would have ever guessed a year before the draft when there was talk of Ambroz going in the top 5-10 pick that he would get drafted after Rau and Reilly?
Wisconsin putting the reigns on players? Please explain. Isn't Zengerle one of the highest scoring forwards in the country? I am guessing schultz is the highest scoring d. Craig Smith just racked up 35-40 pts each of his first two seasons and stepped directly into the NHL as one of the best rookie fwds. He was taken in the 4th round after Schroeder, Buddish, and Birkholz went in rds 1,2,3. Combined NHL totals for those guys 0-0-0. Stepan had 54 pts his sophomore year before going right to the rangers and probably would have been all-rookie had it not been for the unbelievably good rookies last yr. U of M's top two scorers combined for 56 pts the same yr. Is making players more complete or playing in 'disciplined' system a bad thing for a player like Besse? Maybe he would improve which is a tough concept for gophers fans to grasp given recent history? Mcdonagh is a top offensive d for the rangers already and Gardiner leads rookie d in scoring and is just as good defensively for the Maple Leafs. Both players were basically NHL ready out of Wisconsin and I think they lead there teams in ice time or are top 2 or 3 for sure.

JDUBBS1280 · Post by **JDUBBS1280** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:05 am

BBB wrote:Go to the USHL. Besse is turning 18, its his draft year, and should develop playing in 60-70 competitive games against guys his age; not 10-15 somewhat competitive 51 min hs games against rosters filled with 15-17 yr olds. If he feels he might get "bumped" around in the USHL maybe be should go to the BCHL, I hear they are guaranteeing MN players 75 points if they come out there and play. The USHL has got younger and isn't nearly as rough as it was 10-15 years ago. If Besse isn't ready for that at 18, he might not fit into the WCHA at 19 very well.
Gopher Blog, Grimaldi (5-6) was projected to go 32 on the final while Ambroz (6-3) was rated 31 but went around 125. Lucia (6-3) slid too but was projected to go 34. The kid projected to go 33 was 6-5 and slid as well. Maybe the new NHL is just right for Cammarata to make it. Who would have ever guessed a year before the draft when there was talk of Ambroz going in the top 5-10 pick that he would get drafted after Rau and Reilly?
Wisconsin putting the reigns on players? Please explain. Isn't Zengerle one of the highest scoring forwards in the country? I am guessing schultz is the highest scoring d. Craig Smith just racked up 35-40 pts each of his first two seasons and stepped directly into the NHL as one of the best rookie fwds. He was taken in the 4th round after Schroeder, Buddish, and Birkholz went in rds 1,2,3. Combined NHL totals for those guys 0-0-0. Stepan had 54 pts his sophomore year before going right to the rangers and probably would have been all-rookie had it not been for the unbelievably good rookies last yr. U of M's top two scorers combined for 56 pts the same yr. Is making players more complete or playing in 'disciplined' system a bad thing for a player like Besse? Maybe he would improve which is a tough concept for gophers fans to grasp given recent history? Mcdonagh is a top offensive d for the rangers already and Gardiner leads rookie d in scoring and is just as good defensively for the Maple Leafs. Both players were basically NHL ready out of Wisconsin and I think they lead there teams in ice time or are top 2 or 3 for sure.

Go ahead and mock the BCHL if you'd like. Some of the criticism is warranted, but if that is meant to be another shot at Gopher recruits/recruiting, I suggest you take a look at what Justin Schultz and Joey Laleggia have done in college hockey after spending time in the BCHL. And since you seem to like Wisconsin, might I remind you that you have Morgan Zullnick coming in from the BCHL as well.

As for Grimaldi, no one who has any clue ever projected him as a first rounder. Size does matter some, and is the only thing that kept him out of the first round. It will also be why Florida won't rush him out of UND. He'll play 3 years there. Same goes for Cammarata.

And way to compare UW and MN's ability to develop players using a player who contributed at UW and is now in the NHL with a guy who had injury problems (Budish) and two one/two-and-dones (Schroeder and Birkholtz). Very objective of you.

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:18 am

Souhan: Five goals, no ego

http://www.mnhockeyhub.com/news_article/show/138791

JDUBBS1280 · Post by **JDUBBS1280** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:30 am

MNHockeyFan wrote:Souhan: Five goals, no ego

http://www.mnhockeyhub.com/news_article/show/138791

Anyone who reads anything Souhan has to say about hockey, regardless of its nature, should have their account on all hockey boards revoked.

Besse is a great player, and his performance in the championship was amazing, but I follow a lot of these kids and he isn't that well liked amongst his peers. I'd say the "no ego" aspect is a bit of a stretch.

Sats81 · Post by **Sats81** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:35 am

JDUBBS1280 wrote:
MNHockeyFan wrote:Souhan: Five goals, no ego

http://www.mnhockeyhub.com/news_article/show/138791
Anyone who reads anything Souhan has to say about hockey, regardless of its nature, should have their account on all hockey boards revoked.

No doubt! Thank u!

Sats81 · Post by **Sats81** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:35 am

BBB wrote:Go to the USHL. Besse is turning 18, its his draft year, and should develop playing in 60-70 competitive games against guys his age; not 10-15 somewhat competitive 51 min hs games against rosters filled with 15-17 yr olds. If he feels he might get "bumped" around in the USHL maybe be should go to the BCHL, I hear they are guaranteeing MN players 75 points if they come out there and play. The USHL has got younger and isn't nearly as rough as it was 10-15 years ago. If Besse isn't ready for that at 18, he might not fit into the WCHA at 19 very well.
Gopher Blog, Grimaldi (5-6) was projected to go 32 on the final while Ambroz (6-3) was rated 31 but went around 125. Lucia (6-3) slid too but was projected to go 34. The kid projected to go 33 was 6-5 and slid as well. Maybe the new NHL is just right for Cammarata to make it. Who would have ever guessed a year before the draft when there was talk of Ambroz going in the top 5-10 pick that he would get drafted after Rau and Reilly?
Wisconsin putting the reigns on players? Please explain. Isn't Zengerle one of the highest scoring forwards in the country? I am guessing schultz is the highest scoring d. Craig Smith just racked up 35-40 pts each of his first two seasons and stepped directly into the NHL as one of the best rookie fwds. He was taken in the 4th round after Schroeder, Buddish, and Birkholz went in rds 1,2,3. Combined NHL totals for those guys 0-0-0. Stepan had 54 pts his sophomore year before going right to the rangers and probably would have been all-rookie had it not been for the unbelievably good rookies last yr. U of M's top two scorers combined for 56 pts the same yr. Is making players more complete or playing in 'disciplined' system a bad thing for a player like Besse? Maybe he would improve which is a tough concept for gophers fans to grasp given recent history? Mcdonagh is a top offensive d for the rangers already and Gardiner leads rookie d in scoring and is just as good defensively for the Maple Leafs. Both players were basically NHL ready out of Wisconsin and I think they lead there teams in ice time or are top 2 or 3 for sure.

Very good post. All valid.

Sats81 · Post by **Sats81** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:37 am

Nostalgic Nerd wrote:Kloos didn't do that much for me. I didn't really care for his work ethic when he didn't have the puck, or was stopped with the puck. He didn't stick out the way Besse or Sampair did. Sometimes I felt like he disappeared.

This is hilarious. Especially to those of us who have actually watched him play a considerable amount of hockey. So because you have probably seen him play once, on TV albeit you just pigeonhole him as a player. Sampair is a nice HS player but not even close to Kloos.

Sats81 · Post by **Sats81** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:38 am

JDUBBS1280 wrote:
Nostalgic Nerd wrote:Kloos didn't do that much for me. I didn't really care for his work ethic when he didn't have the puck, or was stopped with the puck. He didn't stick out the way Besse or Sampair did. Sometimes I felt like he disappeared.
Do Besse and Sampair draw the same attention as Kloos? No, they don't. Kloos scored more points on a worse team than Besse or Sampair, and out scored both in Elite League play. Plus, Lakeville South played the 14th toughest schedule while BSM played the 26th toughest and Hill-Murray the 23rd toughest. People put way too much emphasis on one tournament.

Very good post.

minnscout · Post by **minnscout** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:41 am

jDubbs I have forgot more hockey than you will ever know. Did you have Besse on the scale last night or what? If you have ever seen Kloos and Besse next to each other Besse is much bigger.

JDUBBS1280 · Post by **JDUBBS1280** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:43 am

minnscout wrote:jDubbs I have forgot more hockey than you will ever know. Did you have Besse on the scale last night or what? If you have ever seen Kloos and Besse next to each other Besse is much bigger.

Doubtful. No, did you put him or Kloos, or Spehar on a scale? I'm going with their reported height and weights. What the hell are you using? And yes, I have, and Besse is a little bit taller. That's it. No where close enough to be a factor.

RickyTicky · Post by **RickyTicky** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:57 am

An inch and maybe 5-7 lbs is "much bigger" now a days? hmmmm.. I would say unless its 3+ inches and 10-15+ lbs its basically a wash. I also agree with JDUBBS, Besse is a great player and put together one of the best tournament performances of all time but you can't base an entire season on 3 games. Anyone that has seen Justin play this season or even was at the tournament in person could see that whenever he touches the puck the other team would have at least 3 men in the Nuetral zone waiting to trap him.. and even then he would somehow make a great play and find someone, many times Harvey, who may or may not bury a great chance. No one else in the state recieved as much attention or respect as Kloos and he still lead the state in scoring while facing the 14th toughest schedule..

JDUBBS1280 · Post by **JDUBBS1280** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:02 am

Sats81 wrote:
JDUBBS1280 wrote:
Nostalgic Nerd wrote:Kloos didn't do that much for me. I didn't really care for his work ethic when he didn't have the puck, or was stopped with the puck. He didn't stick out the way Besse or Sampair did. Sometimes I felt like he disappeared.
Do Besse and Sampair draw the same attention as Kloos? No, they don't. Kloos scored more points on a worse team than Besse or Sampair, and out scored both in Elite League play. Plus, Lakeville South played the 14th toughest schedule while BSM played the 26th toughest and Hill-Murray the 23rd toughest. People put way too much emphasis on one tournament.
Very good post.

Thanks

keepyourheadup · Post by **keepyourheadup** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:08 am

Just to clarify here, and trust me I know, Kloos is a hair over 5'9" At the beginning of the season he weighed about 170. The grind of the last 6 months took about 5 pounds off of him. Ideal weight for a kid his size will be about 175-180 at the next level. About the same exact size as Jay Barribal. Grant has maybe 2 inches on him and a frame that will allow him to play a little heavier than Justin, likely 185-190.

JDUBBS1280 · Post by **JDUBBS1280** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:13 am

keepyourheadup wrote:Just to clarify here, and trust me I know, Kloos is a hair over 5'9" At the beginning of the season he weighed about 170. The grind of the last 6 months took about 5 pounds off of him. Ideal weight for a kid his size will be about 175-180 at the next level. About the same exact size as Jay Barribal. Grant has maybe 2 inches on him and a frame that will allow him to play a little heavier than Justin, likely 185-190.

Not consistent with what either is listed at. And no, I don't "trust you".

dangle_snipe · Post by **dangle_snipe** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:19 am

Don't you guys remember the last kid that came to the gophs after a big state tourny performace........

keepyourheadup · Post by **keepyourheadup** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:31 am

Well JDUBBS, I guess the fact that I measured him isn't good enough. How many rosters do you read and believe?