Minnesota Vikings

murraychadwick · Post by **murraychadwick** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 10:18 pm

OK so I haven't watched many NFL games this year, but what is the deal with the Ref's uniforms? Looked like the PE and Math teacher were out there calling the game.

irishman · Post by **irishman** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 10:56 pm

I wish the vikings were called the San Antonio Snakes or something

boblee · Post by **boblee** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:00 pm

I told you they were bad...

"SEASON'S OVER!!!!!"

Irishmans Shanty · Post by **Irishmans Shanty** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:14 pm

irishman wrote:I wish the vikings were called the San Antonio Snakes or something

Nonesense, you take the good with the bad. Unfortunately the bad pile is little higher than the good pile.

grindiangrad-80 · Post by **grindiangrad-80** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:13 am

3 First Downs and 103 yards of offense.

Favre did what he could for the Viks, but they still couldn't pull it out.

PASTRAPIDSFAN · Post by **PASTRAPIDSFAN** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 7:31 am

Vikes are terrible,But remember if us tax payers build them a new stadium they will play better.Well my opion there is free development land between waskish and baudette they can use.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 8:59 am

IS is right we have to expect down years.

But they really do suck on offense.

If you released alll of their skill positon players and kick returners , how may do you think would start on an NFL team.

Irishmans Shanty · Post by **Irishmans Shanty** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 9:37 am

I think we'll get to find out, I really don't know who they will retain from their recieving core.

To make matters worse, ESPN classic was documenting the Falcon/Viking game late last night. I turned it off after Hatchette made the diving catch in the endzone on the first play of the 4th quarter for a ten point lead.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:48 am

When he caught that ball it was over.

You knew it, I knew it, Gary Anderson knew it.

Super Bowl bound.

OOps, pulled it.

Post by **east hockey** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:55 am

packerboy wrote:When he caught that ball it was over.

You knew it, I knew it, Gary Anderson knew it.

Super Bowl bound.

OOps, pulled it.

That had to rank up there with the Hail Mary and Darrin Nelson's drop as the biggest rip-our-heart-out moments in Vikes history. As bad as it was watching replays of Hank Stram giggling on the sidelines as the Chiefs ran over us in SB IV, those were worse.

Lee

RSI · Post by **RSI** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:58 am

Matthew Hatchette...that's a name I haven't heard in a few years.
He'd be our #1 receiver this season.

I took my kids to training camp years ago, I'm pretty sure it was Hatchette's rookie year. After practice ended Hatchette walked very slowly back to the locker room signing autographs and talking to the kids. Nobody knew who he was, but he took the time to visit with the kids, which really impressed me. He just seemed to really appreciate what was happening to him, unlike John Randle who sprinted in and out of the locker room to avoid the fans.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:20 am

It was a bad day in Purple country.

The worst one for me however was the loss to Oakland. It was the last Super Bowl and I think we all knew it was going to be a long time and with a new team before they got back.

The KC loss was embarassing but we figured they were a young team and would bounce back.

But you just sorta knew that when they got destroyed by Oakland that day that it was over.

That was 30 years ago.

But hey, we have the west coast offense now.

Irishmans Shanty · Post by **Irishmans Shanty** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:34 am

Time heals most of the wound, but the scar is always there. What was good about the documentary last night is that the NFL films microphones were picking up everything Denny was saying on the sidelines.

Before the Hatchette TD drive Denny told the O this would be the biggest drive of their lives. Randall drove the Vikes 82 yards in 8 minutes, converting on two 3rd and 10's to Cris Carter, before the TD.

I now know why they lost, everyone on that sideline believed they could score anytime they needed to, they were wrong.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:40 pm

But, incredibly, what people harp about when they talk about that game is 'taking the knee'.

Thats what they should have done at the end of the first half. Thats why they lost. Arrogance. Exactly correct .

irishman · Post by **irishman** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 10:55 am

We should trade the entire indianapolis squad for our squad

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 9:22 am

I dont think Brad is going to last too long.

You cant cut a wide reciever because he says he is frustrated in the paper. They have no talent at that position.

Chilly acts like he has won a couple of Super Bowls.

He will lose his players if this keeps up.

Can you say Les Steckle?

RSI · Post by **RSI** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 10:08 am

I agree, is this guy nuts or a total control freak? They can't score the way it is and now they cut arguably their best receiver.

I was REALLY hoping these Vikings were going to be different than those old teams. Guess not, still the laughing stock of the NFL.

Blue Breeze · Post by **Blue Breeze** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:23 am

It seems like the team isn't willing to play for Childress. The fact that he cuts somebody for voicing frustration in the paper is not going to help that fact.

If there is no improvement next year with his offensive scheme, with a QB that he traded up for and took 4 rounds earlier than everyone expected, than he should be gone and the team should cut their losses.

goldy313 · Post by **goldy313** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 12:38 pm

First off I hate Childress, I like the Eagles and thought he was bad there and must have had some compromising pictures of Andy Reid to keep his job there, after all Reid called the plays when Childress was there and now that Childress is gone the new OC Matry Morningweg calls the plays.

Back during the Twins season when Rondell White was struggling and the question of whether to release him came up many noted that you just don't do that to a veteren player for a couple of reasons, respect and the fear that other veterens won't come here and play knowing that the orginization treats veterens poorly, or worse embarrasses them. The Twins did let Tony Batista go, but for all intnents and purposes he had been out of the najor leagues for a few seasons. They traded Juan Castro for a little, but they didn't just up and release him, and they hung on to White. It wouldn't have suprised anyone had they released him, but they resigned him.

The difference in how these two orginizations are run is staggering, the Vikings are so ineptly run that they will fall behind the Twins in importance next year if the Twins are at all competitive. Doing what the Vikings did to Robinson is so stupid that coupled with the way this team quit the past few games (which ironically enough corresponds to the mysterious gametime deactivation of Robinson prior to the Jets game) that there is a near mutiny happening at Winter Park and who's next attitude can't be condusive to anything positive.

Zygi Wilff may be a great businessman but he is in over his head here, between botching up the satdium deal with Anoka County to hiring this egomaniac as a coach, it's not me it's the exacution, he has made bad decision after bad decision.

When does Spring Training start?

EREmpireStrikesBack · Post by **EREmpireStrikesBack** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 1:02 pm

The only good I can see that came out of it is:

A. Maybe Troy Will needed more playing time to figure out how to catch

B. We will get a better draft position because we will lose because we don't have good players

Do you think Marcus Coo Coo Cachoo Robinson will get picked up by anybody? San Diego perhaps?

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 1:44 pm

He will play somewhere. If not this year, next.

Troy will take years to develop. He cant follow the ball in the air. Cant judge it.

That will take a lot of practice to overcome.

Irishmans Shanty · Post by **Irishmans Shanty** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 2:33 pm

The future is pretty bad. This team is going to have a long crawl back to the top because the skill positions are bare. As far as quarterbacking has gone, the Vikes have had a decent run of luck and talent since the Tarkenton era. Going back to the late 80's there has always been someone in place to move the ball. Recent History has given us Wade Wilson, Rich Gannon, Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham, Brad Johnson, Jeff George, and Daunte. Not only has the starter been good, but backups like Brister, Bouman, Frerotte, Fiedler, and Johnson have been taken away by other teams to win starting positions of their own. All of these guys have had some ups and downs, but the position has been pretty good compared to what some franchises have had to deal with.

Now, I honestly don't know where they go from here, if Tarvaris is the choice, it's going to be rough for a while even if he develops at all.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:02 pm

Good point IS. Of course, you have been saying that they are quite a few players away from contending for some time now.

The cupboard is as bare as it has ever been.

One thing I heard Childres say is something along the lines of " Its not the offensive system, its the players not executing it."

Ill tell you what boys. I have done some amount of coaching in my day.

Certainly not even close to the pro level, but if you have had a bunch of guys every day for 6 months and thay still aint gettin it, it might not be the players.

Irishmans Shanty · Post by **Irishmans Shanty** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:16 pm

During the week, I often listen to a former NFL defensive lineman run his mouth over the airwaves between 3-5pm. He contests that Bill Belichick is maybe the 10th best coach in the league. Now this is different from what the national media will tell you. This former player played for Belichick in his failed attempt in Cleveland. Basically he says Belichick was average because he continually put players in places or packages where they couldn't make plays. Now, maybe Belichick has learned and become a better coach.

But thursday night I thought of this former player's comments on coaching when Chris Collinsworth said "I have no idea what the Vikings are doing on Defense." He said this right after Winfield blitzed and Favre hit an uncovered tight-end for about 30 yards up the middle.

It looks to me like the coaching staff is putting players in packages or places where they can't make plays. If so, the mutiny has already begun.

goldy313 · Post by **goldy313** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:55 pm

One thing that I learned back in my days as a high school football coach was that the most important thing was putting kids in the best possible postion to succeed. My preferred offense was a Power I, given a chance I liked to pound out the yards between the tackles. However in the small town in Iowa where I coached we just didn't have the guys up front, or the Fullback to run a Power I. (It was a 'kick ass' offense BTW, Notre Dame used it, Ohio St. used it)

We had to switch to a Wishbone or Single Wing depending on our opponent, I could tell after our first scrimmage that there was no way we could pound the ball on any team with any size up front; my lineman just weren't fast enough off the ball. I watch Bryant McKinnie get beat play after play yet Childress won't give him any help. Sometimes the other player is just better than yours, then you have to adjust. Stalin didn't have to adjust, I think his picture might have a proinant place at winter Park.

I had no control over who my players were, just what position they were put in. Childress not only has control over who his players are and what position they are in, but what to do with them. He blames the players because they can't run his offense. As a coach he has it all backwards, you play to the strength of your players, you don't make your players play to your demands, because they just might be incapable of doing that. Does Gardy go out and ask Nick Punto to hit 3 run homers, no he has him go the other way with the ball. Does he throw Mauer out in Right to save his knees, no he has him DH.

As much as I disliked Deny Green near the end the one thing I can say for him was he kew how to run an offense, no matter who was at the helm. Some of his QB's were pretty average but he put them in a system where they could excel. Nobody ever made a success out of Jeff George, Denny Green did, Nobody though Cunningham was worth much, he was laying tile when Denny got him, but he did alright too. Maybe Childress will turn out to be a good coach, but he doesn't show the demeanor or the flexibility to be able to adjust to any adversity.