The problem with this scenario is that if you don't run an A team, you will have to allow A level players to waive out and try out for another association that has an A team if they want to, which will deplete your numbers even further and would probably make it just as tough to compete at the B-1 level.can'tbuymelove wrote:I think cowboy means that both associations could field B1 teams and be competitive.
It's tough doing a merge. Most of these kids have never played together and when your kids are playing top teams who have grown up together and know how to play together," well the end result is too obvious to require elaboration." (common man). I do think it is a great experience for these kids even though they are losing. They play the top kids from the other associations. You are forced to get better or get creamed.
I think as long as it helps them to be better players come high school, why not. They won't be playing the high school teams from Blaine, Elk river, centennial etc.
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muckandgrind wrote:The problem with this scenario is that if you don't run an A team, you will have to allow A level players to waive out and try out for another association that has an A team if they want to, which will deplete your numbers even further and would probably make it just as tough to compete at the B-1 level.can'tbuymelove wrote:I think cowboy means that both associations could field B1 teams and be competitive.
It's tough doing a merge. Most of these kids have never played together and when your kids are playing top teams who have grown up together and know how to play together," well the end result is too obvious to require elaboration." (common man). I do think it is a great experience for these kids even though they are losing. They play the top kids from the other associations. You are forced to get better or get creamed.
I think as long as it helps them to be better players come high school, why not. They won't be playing the high school teams from Blaine, Elk river, centennial etc.
I agree completely. For next year.
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Cowboy wrote:I don't know who would have more talent on their own but just because C-I is a little bit bigger association I would guess they would.
My comment is more about the fact that I don't think either together or alone that there is enough talent to play at the A level. But to merge and play B1 hockey is a step backward. I think they would each have solid team B1 teams on their own. Maybe they wouldn't qualify for playoffs but I would think they would have more than 1 win, plus they get to play with their buddies that they will be playing with in high school.
On this message board it sounds like I am in the minority, but I go to the arena and all I hear is people complaining. Maybe I just keep the wrong company.
I would be in favor of a permanent merge at the youth level.
At least C-I has their own arena.
NB is a joke! They've been trying to get one built for years!!
No support from the city council, Don't they realize it would generate money with other events to be held there also?? Tournaments, hotels, gas, food, etc...
We have a parent who played at the youth level here and STILL no arena!
Why not put the money that NB has saved up and put it into the C-I arena...Perhaps another sheet of ice?? reduced fee's for skaters who have played since A mites?? just seems like the NB arena fund is all for not. They were suppose to break ground on the stacy location last spring!
What's the problem now?
My kid will never play in a new arena here unless it happens in the next 2-3 years and we've supported this association for 9 years now.
I'd say it's time for NB hockey association to crap or get off the pot!
Let's get er done or do a permanent merge!
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AA C-I hs team being fed by a B-1 team would be a shame and in no way would help them get ready for the AA hs level.can'tbuymelove wrote:I think cowboy means that both associations could field B1 teams and be competitive.
It's tough doing a merge. Most of these kids have never played together and when your kids are playing top teams who have grown up together and know how to play together," well the end result is too obvious to require elaboration." (common man). I do think it is a great experience for these kids even though they are losing. They play the top kids from the other associations. You are forced to get better or get creamed.
I think as long as it helps them to be better players come high school, why not. They won't be playing the high school teams from Blaine, Elk river, centennial etc.
I guess that is the main point of our disagreement. The thought process by many is that you have to play at an A level in order to be competative at the next / hs level.
While that statement is impossible to prove one way or the other I disagree with it for several reasons.
1. The last two senior classes at C-I had the oppertunity to play A hockey at the youth level. The varsity team hasn't shown any results that would lead one to believe the players coming from the youth program are any more ready for the high school level than players in the past. In fact the varsity team loses to teams from programs that played at the B level through youth hockey. (Princeton, Chisago Lakes, and probably some others.)
2. An A bantam game is 3 15 minute stop time periods correct? That's 45 minutes of game time and with 3 lines each player will get about 15 minutes of game time ice. With a D10 schedule of about 20 games, 4 scrimmages, and 4 tournaments that will be about 36 games or about 9 hours of ice per player. I don't believe that those 9 hours of icetime playing A hockey makes or breaks a player for the next level.
3. The players going up to high school as 10th graders typically will spend a year on the jv team. So now in 11th grade many of the kids are on the varsity team and now we are to believe that those 9 hours playing A instead of B1 2 years ago is going to be the difference in how the team does?
4. Sure some kids will play high school as 10th graders or even 9th graders but those kids probably would regardless of what level they played at the youth level. Case in point: several years ago when the youth program merged with S.F. to play A bantams some players wanted to finish their youth hockey playing with their buddies and opted to play B1 instead. The next year the only 10th grader to play varsity was one of the kids that played B1 the year before. All the kids that played A bantams still spent a year on jv.
To be clear, I am not against playing A hockey. I just think you need to put teams at levels where they can compete. In a small association, some years it will be A and some years it will be B1, I think the board needs to make informed decisions and not just blindly put teams where we wish they can compete. I believe winning breeds winning and losing breeds losing. Right now I think the association has done a poor job of preparing kids to play at the A level. These kids go through mites at a higher level than they should to prepare them for A squirts. Then they lose all through squirts trying to prepare them for peewees. Then bantams. Then after losing all through all their years at youth hockey they are expected to be winners? I don't see the logic. And before you know it the kids are done with high school and most will never move on to the next level. What memories are we giving the kids?
Have a great day! I really do appreciate the discussion as it has given me some more things to think about. And good luck to you and your kid's both on and off the ice.
While that statement is impossible to prove one way or the other I disagree with it for several reasons.
1. The last two senior classes at C-I had the oppertunity to play A hockey at the youth level. The varsity team hasn't shown any results that would lead one to believe the players coming from the youth program are any more ready for the high school level than players in the past. In fact the varsity team loses to teams from programs that played at the B level through youth hockey. (Princeton, Chisago Lakes, and probably some others.)
2. An A bantam game is 3 15 minute stop time periods correct? That's 45 minutes of game time and with 3 lines each player will get about 15 minutes of game time ice. With a D10 schedule of about 20 games, 4 scrimmages, and 4 tournaments that will be about 36 games or about 9 hours of ice per player. I don't believe that those 9 hours of icetime playing A hockey makes or breaks a player for the next level.
3. The players going up to high school as 10th graders typically will spend a year on the jv team. So now in 11th grade many of the kids are on the varsity team and now we are to believe that those 9 hours playing A instead of B1 2 years ago is going to be the difference in how the team does?
4. Sure some kids will play high school as 10th graders or even 9th graders but those kids probably would regardless of what level they played at the youth level. Case in point: several years ago when the youth program merged with S.F. to play A bantams some players wanted to finish their youth hockey playing with their buddies and opted to play B1 instead. The next year the only 10th grader to play varsity was one of the kids that played B1 the year before. All the kids that played A bantams still spent a year on jv.
To be clear, I am not against playing A hockey. I just think you need to put teams at levels where they can compete. In a small association, some years it will be A and some years it will be B1, I think the board needs to make informed decisions and not just blindly put teams where we wish they can compete. I believe winning breeds winning and losing breeds losing. Right now I think the association has done a poor job of preparing kids to play at the A level. These kids go through mites at a higher level than they should to prepare them for A squirts. Then they lose all through squirts trying to prepare them for peewees. Then bantams. Then after losing all through all their years at youth hockey they are expected to be winners? I don't see the logic. And before you know it the kids are done with high school and most will never move on to the next level. What memories are we giving the kids?
Have a great day! I really do appreciate the discussion as it has given me some more things to think about. And good luck to you and your kid's both on and off the ice.
More mites. The future can be different.
A sideline is when our small association was growing we found that young volunteer coaches want to coach A teams. Having A teams may assist your coach recruiting and retention. It also may help retain top players who will waive out to a neighbor if A level isn't offered. Coach quality is hugely important and the B team (B1, B2) need coaches every bit as good as the A coach. Why? Because in a small association A teams are filled out with kids from 4-5 different teams each year. At large Associations the A teams are generally filled with kids from 2-3 teams. With good coaching at the lower levels you will have kids make the jump from B2 and C to A.
All that just helps you limp through the next 5-6 years until your new bumper crop of Mites and U8s get to the upper levels. MN Hockey now has a recruiting committee that can help you with ideas that have worked for other associations around the metro. Don't say it's to late. Get out there now with a big recruiting effort so you can tell a different story next year about your future.
You do need a rink too because currently you really don't have a hockey program. The neighboring town, with a rink, does.
A sideline is when our small association was growing we found that young volunteer coaches want to coach A teams. Having A teams may assist your coach recruiting and retention. It also may help retain top players who will waive out to a neighbor if A level isn't offered. Coach quality is hugely important and the B team (B1, B2) need coaches every bit as good as the A coach. Why? Because in a small association A teams are filled out with kids from 4-5 different teams each year. At large Associations the A teams are generally filled with kids from 2-3 teams. With good coaching at the lower levels you will have kids make the jump from B2 and C to A.
All that just helps you limp through the next 5-6 years until your new bumper crop of Mites and U8s get to the upper levels. MN Hockey now has a recruiting committee that can help you with ideas that have worked for other associations around the metro. Don't say it's to late. Get out there now with a big recruiting effort so you can tell a different story next year about your future.
You do need a rink too because currently you really don't have a hockey program. The neighboring town, with a rink, does.
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Here's how I'd rank the teams so far...
Elk River- Look out when healthy!
Blaine- You could flip flop these two teams at any point^
Andover- Nice season so far
Rogers- Haven't seen them yet
Centennial- Over rated- Young team
St.cloud
Coon Rapids- what happened from 2 years ago?
Princeton
Champlin Park
Anoka
CINB- Showing some improvement
Spring Lake Park- You could flip flop these two teams at any point^
Close? or no cigar...
Elk River- Look out when healthy!
Blaine- You could flip flop these two teams at any point^
Andover- Nice season so far
Rogers- Haven't seen them yet
Centennial- Over rated- Young team
St.cloud
Coon Rapids- what happened from 2 years ago?
Princeton
Champlin Park
Anoka
CINB- Showing some improvement
Spring Lake Park- You could flip flop these two teams at any point^
Close? or no cigar...
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I would switch Centennial and Rogers. Centennial did beat them twice. However I would agree that Elk River Blaine and Andover are the top three. I don't know if Centennial is "overrated" i don't think anyone expected them to be good. Maybe they just have not lived up to the expectations of past Centennial teams!can'tbuymelove wrote:Here's how I'd rank the teams so far...
Elk River- Look out when healthy!
Blaine- You could flip flop these two teams at any point^
Andover- Nice season so far
Rogers- Haven't seen them yet
Centennial- Over rated- Young team
St.cloud
Coon Rapids- what happened from 2 years ago?
Princeton
Champlin Park
Anoka
CINB- Showing some improvement
Spring Lake Park- You could flip flop these two teams at any point^
Close? or no cigar...
"I'm the cream of the crop, I rise to the top"
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So i see that Centennial and Rogers played last night, do you know what the score was?Chuck Norris Fan wrote:I would switch Centennial and Rogers. Centennial did beat them twice. However I would agree that Elk River Blaine and Andover are the top three. I don't know if Centennial is "overrated" i don't think anyone expected them to be good. Maybe they just have not lived up to the expectations of past Centennial teams!can'tbuymelove wrote:Here's how I'd rank the teams so far...
Elk River- Look out when healthy!
Blaine- You could flip flop these two teams at any point^
Andover- Nice season so far
Rogers- Haven't seen them yet
Centennial- Over rated- Young team
St.cloud
Coon Rapids- what happened from 2 years ago?
Princeton
Champlin Park
Anoka
CINB- Showing some improvement
Spring Lake Park- You could flip flop these two teams at any point^
Close? or no cigar...
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At the end of Jan look and see how this comparesChuck Norris Fan wrote:loveitorleaveit what do you see going into the critical month of January?
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Taking a look at the schedules that Andover and Centennial have in the month of January they might have a tough time keeping the #2 and #3 spot unless they step it up. Elk River also has a tough schedule, but by the way they have been playing lately might take 1 of these spots. Coon Rapids has a easier schedule than the rest, but fair play points will effect there final results. They have had a rough start, but by watching the Blaine game I think they might have turned things around. Below are links to the D10 standings and team schedulesloveitorleaveit wrote:At the end of Jan look and see how this comparesChuck Norris Fan wrote:loveitorleaveit what do you see going into the critical month of January?
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http://www.district10hockey.org/Schedul ... on=BantamA
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Well the season is winding down and it looks like Blaine and centennial will be going neck n neck down to the wire. Blaine did beat Centennial 4-3 so look to Blaine to be District 10 favorites! Should be a great D10 tounament!!
Elk river seems to have lost a few steps losing big to coon rapids 7-1...
What issues are they facing??? are they still injured??
Even though CINB has only beaten one team in districts so far, SLP, They have been playing fairly competitive the last month or so.
Losing 5-1 to Rogers...6-3 to centennial and most recently 5-3 to princeton.
Would it have been better for these kids to play B1??? maybe...probably would have been in the top group of teams in districts, But i think my son has developed into a better player playing against the best kids in this district. At this age it is all about development Right?
Centennial did score an empty netter against CINB . They did miss another empty net goal by hitting the pipe...I over heard their Coach saying and i quote..." I can't believe we are only betting this team by 3 goals!" end quote. They were one penalty away from losing their fair play point! Sorry Blaine! We tried!
I only say this because we do respect the larger associations and it's nice when we can keep it close!! Good luck to all the teams come district tournament time! Should be some great Hockey!!
Looking forward to next year...
Elk river seems to have lost a few steps losing big to coon rapids 7-1...
What issues are they facing??? are they still injured??
Even though CINB has only beaten one team in districts so far, SLP, They have been playing fairly competitive the last month or so.
Losing 5-1 to Rogers...6-3 to centennial and most recently 5-3 to princeton.
Would it have been better for these kids to play B1??? maybe...probably would have been in the top group of teams in districts, But i think my son has developed into a better player playing against the best kids in this district. At this age it is all about development Right?
Centennial did score an empty netter against CINB . They did miss another empty net goal by hitting the pipe...I over heard their Coach saying and i quote..." I can't believe we are only betting this team by 3 goals!" end quote. They were one penalty away from losing their fair play point! Sorry Blaine! We tried!
I only say this because we do respect the larger associations and it's nice when we can keep it close!! Good luck to all the teams come district tournament time! Should be some great Hockey!!
Looking forward to next year...
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Absolutely Not true!can'tbuymelove wrote:
Centennial did score an empty netter against CINB . They did miss another empty net goal by hitting the pipe...I over heard their Coach saying and i quote..." I can't believe we are only betting this team by 3 goals!" end quote. They were one penalty away from losing their fair play point! Sorry Blaine! We tried!
They were not surprised by the out come of the score, since they were up against the penalty FPP business 7 min into the 2nd period with a check from behind and an earlier penalty. The score at the time was 2-1 they then went to a forecheck that would keep them from getting a penalty. I am sure they were happy just to get out of there with 3 points, and did not care about the score.
Not saying CI didn't improve this year. But don't make up quotes!
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2-1 in the middle of the 2nd before they had to worry about it.... Empty netter at the end. Sounds like a good gameMilk Carton Matty #6 wrote:Absolutely Not true!can'tbuymelove wrote:
Centennial did score an empty netter against CINB . They did miss another empty net goal by hitting the pipe...I over heard their Coach saying and i quote..." I can't believe we are only betting this team by 3 goals!" end quote. They were one penalty away from losing their fair play point! Sorry Blaine! We tried!
They were not surprised by the out come of the score, since they were up against the penalty FPP business 7 min into the 2nd period with a check from behind and an earlier penalty. The score at the time was 2-1 they then went to a forecheck that would keep them from getting a penalty. I am sure they were happy just to get out of there with 3 points, and did not care about the score.
Not saying CI didn't improve this year. But don't make up quotes!
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Milk Carton Matty #6 wrote:Absolutely Not true!can'tbuymelove wrote:
Centennial did score an empty netter against CINB . They did miss another empty net goal by hitting the pipe...I over heard their Coach saying and i quote..." I can't believe we are only betting this team by 3 goals!" end quote. They were one penalty away from losing their fair play point! Sorry Blaine! We tried!
They were not surprised by the out come of the score, since they were up against the penalty FPP business 7 min into the 2nd period with a check from behind and an earlier penalty. The score at the time was 2-1 they then went to a forecheck that would keep them from getting a penalty. I am sure they were happy just to get out of there with 3 points, and did not care about the score.
Not saying CI didn't improve this year. But don't make up quotes!
Are you kidding me?? were you anywhere near their bench?
I know exactly what i heard! I am not making up any quotes!!
Close game against one of the worst teams will make you say things that you normally wouldn't. It happens...Get over it!
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Make up what ever "quote" you want to make your team feel better about itself. The last two goals were scored in the last min as Centennial actually tried to avoid your players so they did not accedently get a penalty.
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Just looking at the records of cinb A and B1 obviously they should have went b1 bantam and b2, and I would bet that the b1 teams of elk river and sauk rapids and centennial red and blaine could all take the cinb A team and or be very close games.....Remember B1 teams can team coached strictly like an A team with the right coach........look at some stats when the games are 8+ goals differential which there were many how much is cinb touching the puck, stickhandling, shooting, scoring and making plays working on breakouts etc. not much some kids probably touched the puck less than a minute a game how much development can that bring. and looking the fair play points I belive lost 6 to date are they penalties for tripping, hooking, slashing because of being under skilled to the big schools. maybe district 10 needs to put forth a protocol that you have to win a certain percentage of games to stay at a top level the next year. But every district has to deal with this is obviously not an easy task to deal with.can'tbuymelove wrote:Well the season is winding down and it looks like Blaine and centennial will be going neck n neck down to the wire. Blaine did beat Centennial 4-3 so look to Blaine to be District 10 favorites! Should be a great D10 tounament!!
Elk river seems to have lost a few steps losing big to coon rapids 7-1...
What issues are they facing??? are they still injured??
Even though CINB has only beaten one team in districts so far, SLP, They have been playing fairly competitive the last month or so.
Losing 5-1 to Rogers...6-3 to centennial and most recently 5-3 to princeton.
Would it have been better for these kids to play B1??? maybe...probably would have been in the top group of teams in districts, But i think my son has developed into a better player playing against the best kids in this district. At this age it is all about development Right?
Centennial did score an empty netter against CINB . They did miss another empty net goal by hitting the pipe...I over heard their Coach saying and i quote..." I can't believe we are only betting this team by 3 goals!" end quote. They were one penalty away from losing their fair play point! Sorry Blaine! We tried!
I only say this because we do respect the larger associations and it's nice when we can keep it close!! Good luck to all the teams come district tournament time! Should be some great Hockey!!
Looking forward to next year...