Minnesota Vikings

Blue Breeze · Post by **Blue Breeze** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 4:20 pm

That's very well stated Goldy. Childress has no wiggle room as far as his scheme goes. No matter if it fails, or if he doesn't have the personnel, he refuses to adjust to his surroundings. He went out and got Jackson, Hicks, Hutchinson, Richardson, Taylor, I would hope he could now put them in a spot where they can thrive.

Irishmans Shanty · Post by **Irishmans Shanty** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 4:23 pm

Good points Goldy.

Here's my take on Childress. He has given me no reason to believe the Vikings will be a better team in year #2 than in year #1. 6-9 is what it is, but they are clearly going backwards, not forwards under his command.

Blue Breeze · Post by **Blue Breeze** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 10:17 pm

I guess the question now turns to who they will target in free agency and the draft? I've heard that Childress doesn't believe in drafting a WR in the 1st round, which would lead me to believe he wouldn't want to spend big on a FA WR either, although the crop is thin regardless. Considering the state of the team, I'd say that has to be a top priority, although plenty of holes have to be filled.

EREmpireStrikesBack · Post by **EREmpireStrikesBack** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 3:39 am

Is that because of TO? Or because Philly thrived w/o really having a "top" WR? We need a true #1, no doubt about it. TTaylor is a great #3 and can fill as a #2, but he needs someone to take the attention away from him. We have so many holes to fill, is it worth keeping our spot in the Top 10 or do we trade down?

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:41 am

It would take 3 outstanding drafts to turn this team around.

I think these guys got caught up in drafting for need instead of best player available. Troy is exhibit A and we will see about Chad.

For this team to be competitive next year they wil need to sign a #1 WR and a quality RB in free agency.

Kamakaze · Post by **Kamakaze** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:25 am

we have a good RB in Chester but i think they do need a solid backup, and they should Draft that Jarret reciever from USC or Ginn from OSU.

Blue Breeze · Post by **Blue Breeze** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:34 am

EREmpireStrikesBack wrote:Is that because of TO? Or because Philly thrived w/o really having a "top" WR? We need a true #1, no doubt about it. TTaylor is a great #3 and can fill as a #2, but he needs someone to take the attention away from him. We have so many holes to fill, is it worth keeping our spot in the Top 10 or do we trade down?

I'm not sure, I would guess it was the fact that Philly generally had mediocre receiving and were succesful with it before TO. Either way, Childress will never reveal his thought process.

I would trade down if we could get picks and build up more depth, or if we got a player who could impact us right away. Otherwise, I would grab best player available, which in this draft is likely to be a tackle considering there are 4 elite prospects out there.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:39 am

I dont think Chester is anything but average.

If its a 5 yard hole, he gets 5 yards.

I think if they had a high quality RB, the O would look a whole lot better.

Irishmans Shanty · Post by **Irishmans Shanty** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:24 am

Like Maroney?

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:42 am

Absolutely like Maroney. Geez how would you go about getting a back like that?

The future is dim because of the quality of the players but even more so when you consider the decision making lately.

If these guys keep it up, we could be another Detroit in no time.

Blue Breeze · Post by **Blue Breeze** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:48 am

Like Maroney, like Addai, like DeAngelo Williams, like Maurice Jones-Drew. All those guys bring another dimension that Chester can't, explosiveness.

Chester is a solid back, great back-up, good fill-in, but the comparison by Childress to Westbrook were ridiculous.

Irishmans Shanty · Post by **Irishmans Shanty** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:13 am

This the last time I will mention this, but how does a guy of Maroney's ability not get noticed by the team that shares the stadium with his Univerisity.

I have the luxury of hindsight here, but if it were my job/career to evaluate college talent for my franchise, I wouldn't have missed on this one. During the Vikes/Pats debacle they showed one of Maroney's runs vs. Wisconsin from his last year with the Gophs. I bet New England saw that one run and said he's ours, whether we need a running back or not, we're taking him because he is special.

Maybe the Vikes could bring in Gary Russell as an undrafted free agent. You don't need grades to play in the NFL.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:49 am

They thought they needed a LB so thats what they drafted. They were set with Chester at RB with Moore as the backup.

If Gayle Sayers was available they would have passed on him.

These guys do not know what they are doing.

Hockeyman1606 · Post by **Hockeyman1606** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:19 pm

When is the last time the Vikes made it past the first round of the playoffs?

Irishmans Shanty · Post by **Irishmans Shanty** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:22 pm

'01 Playoffs

Defeated New Orleans in 1st round

Lost to Giants really bad in NFC championship.

Blue Breeze · Post by **Blue Breeze** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:26 pm

Actually it was 2005 playoffs. The infamous 8-8 Vikes strolled in Lambeau and took down the Pack in the Randy Moss "Moon Bowl."

Irishmans Shanty · Post by **Irishmans Shanty** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:39 pm

I hate to split hairs on you Breeze, cause you know your stuff, but that was actually the Wild Card round. The Vikes lost in the first round the following week to the Eaglets and Brad Childress.

Blue Breeze · Post by **Blue Breeze** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:58 pm

I actually thought about that after my post.

I guess I wasn't sure what he meant. The Wild Card Round can sometimes be construde as the 1st round, but the divisional round is often what constitutes it. Either way, he got an answer. I guess I figured maybe you had repressed enough Vikes memories that the '05 playoffs were a mere oversight, but you caught me.

grindiangrad-80 · Post by **grindiangrad-80** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 1:41 pm

Los Angeles Vikings anyone?
Would they even take them?
Les Steckel was Vince Lombardi compared to this dork.
This is by far the most lackluster piece of crap team they have ever put on the field.
Iraq has better leadership than this team.

Irishmans Shanty · Post by **Irishmans Shanty** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 5:47 pm

I don't know if Iraq has better leadership than the Vikes, but for a country divided by centuries of ethic and tribal rivalries and for a country on the verge of civil war, Iraq appears to be more unified under whatever leadership they do have than the Vikes.

Childress will not make it through 16 contests next year

State Champ 97 · Post by **State Champ 97** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 11:06 pm

The Les Steckel year was far worse than this year. This year was bad but that year was by far the worst year in the history of the Vikings. It was abysmal.

Blue Breeze · Post by **Blue Breeze** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 3:11 pm

I wasn't around for the Les Steckel era, but I can't imagine that a team in his era ever quit on their coach quite like this team has done this year. Yesterday's performance was embarrasing, and it was clear the team had their eyes fixated on the offseason rather than going out with a solid performance to build on for next year.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 3:14 pm

Maybe SC 97 and I suppose the 4-2 start made the difference. But there are similarities.

1. Talk tough guy takes over

2. Team doesnt respond

3. Team gets progressively worse as year goes on

4. Coach seems oblivious to #3 and doesnt care about #2

5. Season ends in disastar and franchise is at the lowest point in years.

State Champ 97 · Post by **State Champ 97** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 8:43 pm

Those are all true PB but the biggest difference now, I hope, is that we have one owner that is willing to spend money to fix the problem instead of ten that wouldn't.

EREmpireStrikesBack · Post by **EREmpireStrikesBack** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 2:53 am

I'm still baffled at the "discipline" that Childress is known for/preaches. One of the top teams in penalties, isn't discipline supposed to fix that?

Also, Travis Taylor just got arrested so off the field stuff isn't fixed either. This offseason will be interesting, will we blow the #7 pick again?