Vikings in trouble for opening day?

Irishmans Shanty · Post by **Irishmans Shanty** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:15 am

Wins and losses right now are irrelevant. What is relevant is the emergence of Petersen as an offensive weapon. Since Culpepper ripped up the knee and Randy became disinterested, this offensive ship has been rudderless. The Vikings have a bonified HR hitter in AP, now continue to develop some quarterbacking and recieving around him.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 12:03 pm

Amen to that IS.

Interesting question around my family room yesterday: Has AP made a bigger spash than even Randy?

I mean, how fast is this guy? Nobody can catch him from behind.

I dont know how much of what we saw yesterday was due to a flat Bears team but we haven't seen that kind of running in the NFL since: (You fill it in but IMO:)Barry Sanders.

Yes, I watched the game. Sat. was a beautiful day so I was outside doin stuff the whole day. Sun. was dreary and wet so I watched the whole game.

Childress doesn't have a clue. Neither does Lovey.

Those were 2 very poorly managed teams yesterday.

Lovey wants to run the ball when he cant against the worst pass defense team in the hisory of the world.

Chilly tries to throw the ball with a very below average QB to WRs who cant catch at key moments while the guy who has gained 225 yds is on the bench.

Anyway, it is fun to watch AP run. Now, lets build a team around him.

I dont think Jackson is the guy. If a kid with his experience isnt reading the D right, not checking down, throwing the ball where it dont go....thats one thing.

But this kid is not an accurate passer. Is that due to inexperience?

We will see.

goldy313 · Post by **goldy313** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:21 pm

Marshall Faulk comes to mind when watching Peterson, Faulk was gone the moment he hit the open field, so is Peterson.

The Bears are among the worst defenses in the league this year, I can't remember seeing a team fall this flat so fast with almost no chage in personel.

It almost seemed like Chilly got out Chilly'd: Lovey was so confident in his defense that even though the Vikings were gashing him for significant gains rushing the ball he refused to move his safties up or blitz until he was down by 2 TD's. Chester Taylor had 83 yards so it wasn't only Peterson that did the damage, Peterson just broke the big runs. Lovey did hold the vaunted Viking passing game to less than 10 completions, but that can be attributed as much to the Vikings as to the Bears.

After 5 games it looks to me like the Vikigs are a QB ad coach away from being a darn good football team, hire Schottenheimer who has always known how to use a good ground game and pick up a QB this offseason and let's see what happens.

Irishmans Shanty · Post by **Irishmans Shanty** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:49 pm

If he could become Faulk, I'm OK with that. I heard the Bear Radio Crew throw around the name Dickerson, I'd be even more OK with that.

If all they need is a QB and coach, they better get on it now. Thoroughbred RB's don't stay in their prime long.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:29 am

No one comes to mind when I see AP make those runs except maybe Gayle Sayers.

Maybe the Bears made him look good but I dont recall seeing someone this dominant in the NFL for a long time.

But this coaching staff is clueless. I read in the Red Star this AM how they have a system going where they make sure of the number of touches.

Oh great. The "pitch count" has come to the NFL.

It seems the coaches who dont know what they are doing need this stuff to make it look like they do.

Send your stud RB out there and when he looks tired, take him out. Thats all there is too it.

But these geniuses have him sitting on the bench in crucial situations because of what it reads on the clicker.

Terrific.

Can't Never Tried · Post by **Can't Never Tried** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:50 am

packerboy wrote:Send your stud RB out there and when he looks tired, take him out. Thats all there is too it.

Couldn't agree more...it's just not that difficult.

Sayers is a good comparison in style...AP runs with authority and power and mixes in a good dose of finesse when needed.

Anyone know off hand where his total yds are at this point in the season as far as breaking other rushing records?

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:44 am

Chargers just got Chris Chambers from Miami for a #2 pick.

Chambers has 31 receptions this year for 400+ yards in 6 games. Word is that he has been shopped by the Dolphins since preseason.

Sound like something the Vikings could use.

Hey , Zygi.

Hey, wake up. Come on. Time to get to work.

EREmpireStrikesBack · Post by **EREmpireStrikesBack** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:06 pm

Plus he went to Wisconsin. Little local flair?

Irishmans Shanty · Post by **Irishmans Shanty** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:01 pm

A few comments from the Cowboy Radio Announcers

"Of all the QB's starting the year as starters, Jackson would have been my last pick."

"This may have been the Cowboys best defensive game of the year, but on the other hand, Jackson doesn't pose much of a threat."

"I realize the Vikings have to pass once in a while but aside from those 13 plays today, where has Adrian Peterson been?"

George Blanda · Post by **George Blanda** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:08 pm

it's no secret. Tavaris Jackson sucks.

tomASS · Post by **tomASS** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:47 pm

packerboy wrote:
But this kid is not an accurate passer. Is that due to inexperience?

We will see.

Troy Aikmen said the exact same thing today, stating that his biggest problem is accuracy.

Irishmans Shanty · Post by **Irishmans Shanty** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:44 pm

Romo: 31 of 39

That ought to keep them ranked 32 of 32 in the pass defense department.

Can't Never Tried · Post by **Can't Never Tried** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:18 am

Well I punished myself only for the 2nd half...and man oh man Jackson is lost...accuracy my foot, this guy is not ready for the NFL period.
I mean when he jumped up in the air and then did nothing with it?? he looked like a deer that just got shot at...talk about panic!

And yes the pass coverage did us proud again...good gawd it's awful.

Now the real problem...yes it is Chilly, he and his staff made so many blunders..why did he challange the TD ? nice work upstairs there coaches.
Cost us a time out.
Only 7pts of offense yuk! If that's the SYSTEM try something else they'd probably get more just winging it!
Why don't you have the right personnel on the field for the FG?? cost us another time out! and likely is why the kick got blocked.
Who was the snapper on that play that got just flippin steam rolled?
And Cook was a one man disaster on his own yesterday as well.

I see this team possibly getting 2 more wins this year, and that will be on the back of Peterson.....if they play him

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:52 am

But lets look on the bright side....................... ah, never mind.

Yah, if Mr TJack ever is anything but a journeyman backup, this poster will be very surprised.

But the bright side is....they have been in every game. Which means if they could figure out a way to sign a go to WR and an average QB, theyd be right back up to 7-9.

Skol Vikings.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:10 pm

Cheer up Purple people. They arent that far away.

If needing one above average QB, one DE who can rush the passer , and one top flight WR is not that far away, the precious Purple are close.

As bad as 2-5 is in this league, they have played teams tough. But without a QB and a WR, #28 doesn't have a chance vs a good D.

I remember in '98 and those years how effective Robert Smith was. He was a very good back but his skills were enhanced by Moss, Carter et al drawing so many people away from the point of attack.

AP doesnt have that kind of support. If they could just develop an average NFL pasing game, he would really be dangerous.

Irishmans Shanty · Post by **Irishmans Shanty** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:33 am

The Swedish law firm has a real court room brawler in Petersen, the question is, will he (and the O line) have to get the entire firm out of the red all by themselves?

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:36 am

It looks that way.

TJack isnt any good but at least he cant stay healthy.

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:10 am

packerboy wrote:It looks that way.

TJack isnt any good but at least he cant stay healthy.

Same for TWill.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:20 am

TWill was at a funeral.

Otherwise we would have seen a few bounce off of him yesterday.

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:38 am

packerboy wrote:TWill was at a funeral.

His careers?

He's still the only professional receiver I've seen have a ball go through his hands and clank off his face mask. I was rolling on the floor. His problem isn't with his eyes.

Govs93 · Post by **Govs93** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:20 am

The Vikes docked Troy Williamson a check for missing the game on Sunday to be at his grandmother's funeral on Monday. Is this necessary?

I mean honestly, odds are pretty good he wouldn't have caught a pass anyway. Yeah, he wasn't there and probably could have been, but when your team hasn't been seen in the most favorable light over the last few years and you're trying to get public support for a new stadium, is this the best P.R. move?

tomASS · Post by **tomASS** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:37 am

I think it is bad PR, though they did advise him prior to his departure and he said he was fine with it yet of course the player's union will now be involved

Sounds like he has his priorities right for himself and his family which is what matters.

I do think it sends signals of how the Vikings feel about him fitting in for the long term. Do you think they would have docked AP/AD? of course they probably would have provided AP/AD a private jet to shuttle him back and forth to make the game and then send him back to his family as often as he wanted.

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:44 am

Tell me of a union contract that doesn't limit the number of funeral leave days. Take as much time as you need at full pay? I don't think so. And there is more to his time off than the funeral, theres a matter with his brother having been in an accident. How understanding should an employer be at full pay?

Govs93 · Post by **Govs93** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:52 am

Neutron 14 wrote:Tell me of a union contract that doesn't limit the number of funeral leave days. Take as much time as you need at full pay? I don't think so. And there is more to his time off than the funeral, theres a matter with his brother having been in an accident. How understanding should an employer be at full pay?

Just as an example (and I'm sure these two unions are very similar

), the union my employees belong to allow them 3 days of bereavement leave that doesn't start until the day of the funeral... they get an additional day if they have to travel over 200 miles. If that standard applied to Williamson, he wouldn't have been paid.

He knew what he was doing and what was going to happen, and he made the right decision for him which is great. I'm not really suggesting that the Vikes are necessarily in the wrong here, I'm just saying from a P.R. standpoint, and maybe to a lesser degree a player personnel/free agent standpoint, this may not be the smartest move.

If I were a player considering coming to the Vikings and cared about issues other than a salary (which I wouldn't!

), I'd wonder what their priorities are.

tomASS · Post by **tomASS** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:11 am

Bottom line
It's a PR issue because the Players Union or his agent have made it an issue. Guess his agent wasn't very thorough in getting all the side-benefits because it didn't contribute to his bottom line.

I personally could care less for the guy as a player and in my opinion this wouldn't have been an issue if the Vikings would have conceeded this player's failures as a pro and cut him loose earlier. He could have spent all the time he wanted with his family then.

I also have a problem that he has stated it didn't matter to him. So is the appeal a standard procedure by the player's union even if the player has said it is not an issue with him?

I think more to do about nothing then it should be