Wait Until Lent

[SEC Scotty]

Wow. The light of truth.

[goldy313]

But either would be a welcome champion. The fat cat , huge , suburban schools have dominated the scene for 30 years. Without the Catholics, we would have basically the same kind of school winning year after year(I know about Roseau and East).

Actually that's not true. Since the split to 2 classes only 3 Champions have come from the Biggest 20 schools in the state; Anoka, Blaine, and Apple Valley, maybe even more dramatic is that only 1 runner up has come from that same group; Anoka. Teams like Edina are middle of the pack and Jefferson and Elk River are some of the smallest AA schools. As long as the dividing line is the top 64 schools, the majority of the schools will be metro area schools.

The fact is that the Catholic schools have been more domiant than the "huge suburban" schools with 4 titles and 2 runner ups in the 2 class era. The Catholic schools have had 4 of the 10 spots in the last 5 championship games, the fat suburban schools have had 1 spot. Put the 2 Moorhead teams in the mix with their roster of 25% open enrollees and 6 of the last 10 spots have been taken up by what most would not consider neighboorhood teams or schools. What we have year after year is the team that recruits the best winning, not the team that grows up together. The successful programs are the Moorheads with all their transfers and the Catholic schools with theirs, the teams that grow up together are no longer a viable option. Edina, Jefferson, Rochester, places where kids grow up playing together can no longer compete with these hockey factories the privates are fueling.

If the MSHSL decides to put in a stricter transfer system, a biased system toward the Catholic schools will become even more so. I have zero issue with a kid getting a Catholic education, I do have an issue where a kid leaves a public school because of a difference of opinion with the coach and appears in a Catholic school having never been in the system, or worse transfers from Catholic school to Catholic school for the sole purpose of getting more exposure. Both of which have happened in the past couple of years. The NCAA could care less whether a college is a state school or a Jesuit one, the transfer policy is the same. The MSHSL will make itself into a joke if they let the private schools operate under a different set of rules than the public ones.

[elliott70]

Another Pagan joins the cause.

[east hockey]

Funniest. Topic. Ever.

Lee

[Can't Never Tried]

And just when I thought this was about to end ...........another front to the battle !! looks like the pubs are wearing them down

[Knowlzee]

Its a good thing the kids know how to play the game.

If the players played hockey, like many of the adults on this board with regard to topics of transfers, private school, and open enrollment, they would lose every game, because many adults are so concerned with what everyone else is doing (i.e. Which team is Johnny is trying out for? What school is Danny going to? Are they going to leave their friends behind? What if Sluggo doesn't make the team now that Mario showed up?).

Hockey is a team game requiring ever player on the ice to do THEIR job, and every teammate to trust the other players, and support them when needed. The team with the players more successful in doing THEIR responsibilities on the ice, usually plays a competitive game and more often than not wins the game. If players were concerned with what their teammates were doing, and if their teammates were doing their job or not, they may not take care of their own responsibilities, which often times results in a goals against. Too many goals against usually results in a loss.

If we adults can focus more on our own responsibilities (our own kids), rather than be concerned with what others are doing, maybe we all could have a little more success. Just a thought.

The spuds looked very good on the television against the Indians the other night but, we will have to.....wait until Lent.

[Stitch Lips]

AP, you must be about 43 years old.

In the 50's and 60's the Catholic schools did play the little public schools (filled with Lutherans, Catholics, Baptists, and other such things).

And the Hilltoppers and Cretins put up a good show but still got CREAMED. The best of the 'privates' were only second best (if that).

Being from Bemidji, I thought you knew your history better than that.

In the 40's the only Catholic team from the north was the best team in the state for many years.

In the 50's and 60's ... you mention the Hilltoppers and the Cretins. Hilltoppers were great in the days of Pokey Traschel, but you failed to mention the St. Paul Hills, the Blakes, the Benildes and on and on.

Not that you were originally from Bemidji ...

[Ankles Pierre, Jr.]

AP, you must be about 43 years old.

If that were the case you guys must be thinking:

1. AP is wise beyond his years...

OR

2. AP is damn good looking for his age!

[Can't Never Tried]

Looks like the Catlickers are on dull skates here or else they got weak Ankels???

[packerboy]

goldy, Your history is a little off. All of the tournamnets since 2000 have been won by either Catholics or big suburban schools. In the 90s, 3 were won by Jeffeson, one by Edina an AV won 1. They might not be the biggest schools but they are big.

In the 80s, GR won 1 and HM won 1. The rest were won by BJ(2) BKennedy, Burnsville (2) or Edina(3).

Maybe in Rochester thats not big suburban school domination but well, at least you are healthy.

As far as reruiting goes, you have told time and time again.

WE DONT HAVE TO RECRUIT.

What do we offer?

Free tuition? Hey, maybe the public schools should try that.

What is it that you phobics think the Catholic schools offer these recruits? Cant the public schools offer the same thing? If not, why?

Why does the Kwanzaa crowd think CDH turns away 200+ kids every year? Is it over recruiting?

I dont like the idea of kids moving around either. As a parent, it wouldnt happen in my house . But let the parents control that. Not a bunch of bitter peopel who blame their failures on the mythical advantages that those with the 'upper hand' have.

If the metro public schols cant succeed with the resources and facilities they have, they have problems thet need to be dealt with.

[Can't Never Tried]

The New Knights Templar, is one of the most infamous of the new Christian School orders. It has existed just a few decades in the new Ages, created in the aftermath of the First Crusade to ensure the safety of the large numbers of OE students who flowed toward the X to support it's conquest of the publics.
The Templars are an unusual order in that they are both students AND athletes, making them in effect some of the newest "Warriors" in the Western world. Members of the New Order play a key part in many battles of the Crusades.

HMMMMMMMMM

[SEMinnHockeyNut]

Goldy - Thanks..exactly what I was trying to say all along!

If the MSHSL decides to put in a stricter transfer system, a biased system toward the Catholic schools will become even more so. I have zero issue with a kid getting a Catholic education, I do have an issue where a kid leaves a public school because of a difference of opinion with the coach and appears in a Catholic school having never been in the system, or worse transfers from Catholic school to Catholic school for the sole purpose of getting more exposure. Both of which have happened in the past couple of years. The NCAA could care less whether a college is a state school or a Jesuit one, the transfer policy is the same. The MSHSL will make itself into a joke if they let the private schools operate under a different set of rules than the public ones.

That is the point...it is NOT just Catholic schools that will be impacted by the change in the rule. How will Moorhead fair now? What about Duluth East? Any other public school that has benefited from transfers that are mostly about sports - and in the case of our thread - hockey players moving like free agents. You can't do it in college without sitting some time out, why should you in high school?

I also still find loyalty an important thing in my life, our communities, and in our culture!


As far as the 1975-1991 era, it was the best. I love going to the old Civic Center and watch how the crowds would gravitate toward on team over another. For example, those finals in 83, 85, and 86 between Burnsville (Goliath) vs. Hill (David) were awesome! Or when Edina or Burnsville or Jefferson would play Roseau and Warroad and the only people cheering for the big metro schools were the own fans. I mean how great is that people from Apple Valley, Edina, and Bloomington would cheer against Burnsville when they played Hibbing, Warroad, or Roseau?

Now who should I cheer for - AHA or Moorhead? It is not the same because 25% or more of the kids on those teams transfered to those schools to be on the 'elite' team.

[Can't Never Tried]

And their up against the ropes!!

[Ankles Pierre, Jr.]

I also still find loyalty an important thing in my life, our communities, and in our culture!

NUT fails to recognize that he can't keep calling it loyalty if it's FORCED!


P. S. Who cares what kind of schools NUT wants to see in the tournament?! Only the BEST kids deserve that honor.

[Irishmans Shanty]

NUT, if you had no problem cheering for Warroad in '89, you could easily cheer for a team today that has 25% transfers.

That Civic Center Darling back in '89 sported four transfers, possibly a fifth. My math makes that team at least 20% non native.

[packerboy]

Nut, what is it that you are loyal too?

If child goes to Catholic school in St Paul or suburb thru 8th grade and then goes to CDH and wins a state championship, was he disloyal? What if his parents and grandparents went there? Who or what was he disloyal too?

What in the heck are you talking about?

And yah, it was really awesome watching the trophy get traded back and forth between Blooington ,Edina and Burnsville. I really miss it.

[Knowlzee]

I don't remember all that much about world history, but......wasn't the people of the former Soviet Union under Stalin very LOYAL to their community?

[elliott70]

Stitchy, I remember the rest, including Caoch Sullivan's forces in the great northwest. But the two mentioned were continually pounded by the decade long 60's dynasty of I Falls.

Not that they or other private schools were not good, just not the best.

[elliott70]

The complaining that I have been told about have come from AD's and coaches that have lost kids on questionable methods. And with OE it is hard to bring in the 'r' word.

Bottom line is somethiing is going to change.
Is it fair to the group that matters most - the student, Catholic, private or public, or Kwanzaa?
If OE is fair, then no the change will not be fair.

The discussion of loyalty is difficult. Loyalty is a two way street. The question of community is relative to several factors and subject to change over time. I consider my community to be Bemidji, International Falls, Roseau, Northern Minnesota, Mankato and then the rest of Minnesota. I feel at home in these places. These people are my family and friends (yes, even the Catlickers and those that attend private schools).

But OE is changing. Whether right or wrong a change that retards what happens in public schools has to be placed on all MSHSL schools. The option for private schools is not to participate.

I do not want that and I am sure many, many others do not either.

So, where do we go from here?

If this 'bored' (to quote boblee) is to have signifcance beyond entertainment, perhaps a letter, signed by the masses (the 'bored' that can agree) would be appropriate.

Obviously, some of us should not write it, but perhaps a well educated public-schooler, non-catholic adult within us could pen it.

Takers???

[Knowlzee]

.........may be in finding a well eduacated public schooler.

[elliott70]

[packerboy]

Has anyone ever asked kids or families that leave the public school system why they left?

I have and the information I get is the inspiration for many of my posts, with some minor editing of course.

Anybody else?

[Ankles Pierre, Jr.]

Elliott, who ended class no-I Falls' 60's win streak? I bet whoever it was said an OUR FATHER or HAIL MARY before breaking the Broncos.

Knowlzee, your memory serves you well, but you're not going to hurt Nut's, Can't's, or Elliott's feelings by comparing them to their hero, Stalin!

What ever happened to "LIFE, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of hockey excellence, or whatever makes you happy?" Oh, that's right, you don't learn about OUR COUNTRY'S FOUNDING DOCUMENTS in public school... too many GOD references!

[xk1]

I think people are better off snding in theier own emails expressing their opinion, no matter how poorly written, I know Stead does respond to them. The MSHSL has really only heard the anti OE aspect of this issue for the last several years, he need to hear both sides. I have still not heard one argument why a student in good standing with their school should be penalized because they chose to move schools without moving zip code. Yes, people will abuse this in the minds of some but that is no reason they all should suffer just because school A is upset that school B is better because they have a transfer.

[Ankles Pierre, Jr.]

Great post, but you forgot to mention God or Catholics!