Warroad

[highschoolhockeyfan]

thats true but the only team i can think of that could have compared with AA is the breck team

[black sheep]

One of the biggest issues is money...for schools like Roseau and Warroad to play any AA games it is significant travel, which is a lot of $$$.

There is no doubt Warroad can compete at the game.

Towns that should be AA are the TRF's and Bemidji's etc...

[HockeyFan1]

One of the biggest issues is money...for schools like Roseau and Warroad to play any AA games it is significant travel, which is a lot of $$$.

There is no doubt Warroad can compete at the game.

Towns that should be AA are the TRF's and Bemidji's etc...

Yes it can be a $$ issue, but you can't tell me someone in Warroad could not "donate" a few dollars for them to compete at AA if they really wanted to? Just a thought.

[mn4hockey]

For anyone's info, warroad has a population of about 1700, Roseau's is about 2500. If you look at Roso's programs they have a lot of numbers. Their programs is thriving right now. Warroads on the other hand is not. I think you'll find that most of the players that were on state championship teams, from warroad, would wish that they were AA so they at least would've had a shot at winning the bigger tournament. Something to remember is that a championship is a championship, and it's still a pretty big accomplishment.

[State Champ 97]

They are playing were their enrollment says they should. You cannot fault them for that. It wouldn't hurt my feelings one bit if they did opt up but that won't happen.
Class A hockey is not bad hockey, just smaller schools with less people to pick from to make a team, and less people to talk about how good the are or aren't.

[HShockeywatcher]

I completely agree with everything you said especially "They are playing were their enrollment says they should." but many people can't seem to understand that about so many schools.

[SB24]

When you're as good as they are why not play with the big schools? They are a larger community than Roseau and have nearly the same or similar talent year to year. Time to buck up Warroad!

A larger community than Roseau? I think not. Warroad has a population of approx. 1700 and Roseau has about 2700.

The best way to settle this old debate is to make everyone play in the class they fit into. That would make for two very high quality tournaments and in many if not most years, the top team would be in the single A tournament.

[Puckguy19]

When you're as good as they are why not play with the big schools? They are a larger community than Roseau and have nearly the same or similar talent year to year. Time to buck up Warroad!

A larger community than Roseau? I think not. Warroad has a population of approx. 1700 and Roseau has about 2700.

The best way to settle this old debate is to make everyone play in the class they fit into. That would make for two very high quality tournaments and in many if not most years, the top team would be in the single A tournament.

Why would you want to deny a player the opportunity to play in the AA tournament (before 17,000) and require that they play in the A tournament (in front of 4,000)? It use to be that people were applauded for rising above disadvantages, and having success. Now we seem to worry about making everyone feel "equal."

[HockeyFan1]

When you're as good as they are why not play with the big schools? They are a larger community than Roseau and have nearly the same or similar talent year to year. Time to buck up Warroad!

A larger community than Roseau? I think not. Warroad has a population of approx. 1700 and Roseau has about 2700.

The best way to settle this old debate is to make everyone play in the class they fit into. That would make for two very high quality tournaments and in many if not most years, the top team would be in the single A tournament.

Why would you want to deny a player the opportunity to play in the AA tournament (before 17,000) and require that they play in the A tournament (in front of 4,000)? It use to be that people were applauded for rising above disadvantages, and having success. Now we seem to worry about making everyone feel "equal."

Well said!

[Goldy Gopher]

When you're as good as they are why not play with the big schools? They are a larger community than Roseau and have nearly the same or similar talent year to year. Time to buck up Warroad!

A larger community than Roseau? I think not. Warroad has a population of approx. 1700 and Roseau has about 2700.

The best way to settle this old debate is to make everyone play in the class they fit into. That would make for two very high quality tournaments and in many if not most years, the top team would be in the single A tournament.

Why would you want to deny a player the opportunity to play in the AA tournament (before 17,000) and require that they play in the A tournament (in front of 4,000)? It use to be that people were applauded for rising above disadvantages, and having success. Now we seem to worry about making everyone feel "equal."

I think what he was saying is that if the very high quality A size enrollment teams such as Roseau didn't play AA that would make the A tournament more exciting which would draw more people.

[sid_the_kid]

i dont see y not...they are always good...i think there is something in the water up there

Sid

[salol 82]

The only way Warroad would move up to AA is if Roseau would move to single A

[MrBill]

When you're as good as they are why not play with the big schools? They are a larger community than Roseau and have nearly the same or similar talent year to year. Time to buck up Warroad!

A larger community than Roseau? I think not. Warroad has a population of approx. 1700 and Roseau has about 2700.

The best way to settle this old debate is to make everyone play in the class they fit into. That would make for two very high quality tournaments and in many if not most years, the top team would be in the single A tournament.

Once the kids up there get to high school, there is a major consolidation of kids from all over the north that end up going to school at both schools. 1/3 to 1/2 of the high school team never played youth hockey for Roseau or Warroad.

[wishock]

I finally had to register and post a reply to such an erroneous comment. I went to school up there and the districts were already consolidated in the 60's and most one room schools had closed. I would like to know where these kids are from and where they played youth hockey if not in the Roseau or Warroad systems. There are no other youth hockey programs anywhere close. (I hadn't heard that Lake of the Woods and Thief River Falls were feeding one third to one half of the players in the Roseau and Warroad high school programs. I believe they are the closest.) Most of the kids in the Roseau or Warroad high school would have gone to kindergarten in Roseau or Warroad. In fact, I think Roseau has the only rural grade school that still operates in the county, about 14 miles out of town. And I doubt one third to one half of the high school players come from this small 8 room rural grade school. Yes, consolidation did happen - mostly in the 50's. A very rural county with few people, four towns, two youth hockey programs, and four small high schools, two of which have hockey.
I guess I need to be a little more suspect when I read these posts. Not always fact even though stated as such.

[HockeyFan1]

When you're as good as they are why not play with the big schools? They are a larger community than Roseau and have nearly the same or similar talent year to year. Time to buck up Warroad!

A larger community than Roseau? I think not. Warroad has a population of approx. 1700 and Roseau has about 2700.

The best way to settle this old debate is to make everyone play in the class they fit into. That would make for two very high quality tournaments and in many if not most years, the top team would be in the single A tournament.

Once the kids up there get to high school, there is a major consolidation of kids from all over the north that end up going to school at both schools. 1/3 to 1/2 of the high school team never played youth hockey for Roseau or Warroad.

[Fargo]

Once the kids up there get to high school, there is a major consolidation of kids from all over the north that end up going to school at both schools. 1/3 to 1/2 of the high school team never played youth hockey for Roseau or Warroad.

Greenbush had a team in the 50's. They are probably secretly feeding the Warroad and Roseau programs with all that gator talent! Williams even had a couple teams in the state tourney and have faded. Perhaps they are the culprits?

[WarroadWarrior]

They are already respected by people all around the country. They don't need to move up to a higher class with their enrollment.

When you're as good as they are why not play with the big schools? They are a larger community than Roseau and have nearly the same or similar talent year to year. Time to buck up Warroad!

that is false. Warroad's population is roughly 1700. And Roso's is well over 2000

[RoseauWarrior]

Once the kids up there get to high school, there is a major consolidation of kids from all over the north that end up going to school at both schools. 1/3 to 1/2 of the high school team never played youth hockey for Roseau or Warroad.

Really? Where did these kids play youth hockey at?? I'm pretty sure I've been watching most of both high school teams play since the squirt level in the Roseau and Warroad youth programs!

[stickboy1956]

The only way Warroad would move up to AA is if Roseau would move to single A

Boy - everyone seems to have short memories.

When the MSHSL split hockey into 2 classes in 94 (AA and A - not Tier 1/2), Roseau decided to stay at class A. It wasn't until 1998 that Roseau decided to jump to AA - they made it to state that year - finished 4th.

Why did they make the change to AA? Was it the 12 game losing streak to Warroad, including 0-4 in Section 8 play, that influenced their decision?

Below is a link to the 97 section results, the last time the Rams and the Warriors met in Section 8 play - a Warrior victory.

http://www.minnhock.com/boys1997.htm

The point - let's stop romanticizing the fact that Roseau plays AA - we all know why they moved up in 98.

The real solution - 1 class for hockey. It won't happen, however. Too many coaches are happy with status quo.

[Irishmans Shanty]

R opts up because they can't beat W
M opts down because they can't beat R
W opts up because they can't beat M
R opts down because they can't beat W (again)

M and R together again, but in A
W by itself in AA

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[salol 82]

the longest win streak I could find was 8 games , 2002-2005, 7 games 1996-1998 for warroad. rams went 0-3 against warroad in section play during the early 90's. They moved up in 1998 to play against the best teams in the state and in 1999 they won the AA tournament. EGF was the section 8 team in 1999 , so does that mean the rams were scared of them? Roseau's overall record against warroad is 90-57-4 so it seams they can beat them once in a while.

[Undercover Hockey Lover]

Salol82 says "They moved up in 1998 to play against the best teams in the state". OK...G&W and Rusty have came with that party line for years; we believe you too.... Anyway I've seen the breakdown of the win/loss on Ram Hockey's most excellent site and the last twenty years Warroad has owned the Rams. The Rams should have a streak for awhile but remember the '06 annoiting by LaPlanta when the Rams rolled over on FSN?

[td577]

When was the first year Roseau had the opportunity to opt up? If I remember right, the MSHSL didn't give anyone the choice to opt up during the first few years of the two tier system.

[Undercover Hockey Lover]

Your memory isn't right. They could have opted up at the split but chose not to. Neither here nor there though. This is a Warroad thread but people always seem to want to toss the "look at tiny Roseau and what they did and how proud everyone is of them for opting up". Most don't realize that Warroad is 500 to 600 people smaller than "The North Star City". Roseau's enrollment was slightly smaller this year but most times Warroad has a smaller enrollment. I believe the people from Warroad are all very proud of the Rams and what they accomplished this season. I know that things get intense around the times they play each other but I believe they pull for each other when they aren't playing each other. Kind of a sibling rivalry relationship - you take a jab at your brother whenever you have the chance but in the end they are still good buddies. Also, if you look at Roseau's schedule they played 13 A schools, 10 AA schools and 2 ND schools...Warroad's schedule consisted of 12 A schools, 9 AA schools and 4 ND schools. A pretty comparable schedule. I believe that people outside of Roseau County don't really understand the relationship these two communitites have. Question: Would Roseau's program be where it's at without a program like Warroad's only 22 miles down the road. My Answer: I believe that neither Warroad or Roseau would reach the heights they do without the intense competition they give each other from the time they are 10 years old until they graduate.

[RoseauWarrior]

...My Answer: I believe that neither Warroad or Roseau would reach the heights they do without the intense competition they give each other from the time they are 10 years old until they graduate.

Very well said, I couldn't agree more!