Section 8A Seedings

[riverman]

SChwnag17 says "There is no need to yell..."

ARE YOU KIDDING KC BEAT PR!! SHOUT IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS

[elliott70]

So Sinbomb where do you see Park finishing? EGF and TRF both beat Hallock by 7 or 8 goals.

good for them...how did they do head to head against PR...head to head is the first thing they look at for the seedings.

So KC (Hallock) and PR are what?

Say 2 & 3 for starters, but wait, TRF and EGf beat (soundly) KC, so EGF and TRF have to be ahead of KC by a lot, right...
wait..Bemidji beat TRF...

You can lose yourself in that process...

So the coaches vote for teams 1 through 9 (can't vote for yourself).

If you don't think Warroad, TRF, Bemidji, Crookston, Hallock, LOW are not going to pur EGF at 2nd; then fine, don't think that, but knowing coaches, knowing these coaches, knowing hockey, and experiencing more section cedeings than most, I am here to tell you EGF or TRF or Bemidji are in as good or better spot to get the #2 cede at this point.

Its not me, not my system, its the way it works.

[elliott70]

It seems some people are enamored with a 20-1 record.

But if you took 6 games off PR's schedule and exchange them for 6 of EGF's they would have the same record or close.
EGF 14-6-1
PR 14-7

If that was the case, to whom would you give the #2 seed?

[elliott70]

ttt

[SB24]

Seems to be much quiter round these waters today...

Elliott, you are doing a great job explaining how the process works. People can chose to believe you, or continue to say well PR beat so and so, that makes them the #1 or #2. Then when the cedes come out they can all come on here and rant and rave again.

[sinbombyzermancurve]

i just want to know then how pr recieved a 2 seed a few years back when the had both the lehrkes, knapp, wothe, what ever year that was..cant remember, but they had the two seed and i know there schedule wasnt any better than this years team and their record was worse too.

SB, elliot ??

[elliott70]

i just want to know then how pr recieved a 2 seed a few years back when the had both the lehrkes, knapp, wothe, what ever year that was..cant remember, but they had the two seed and i know there schedule wasnt any better than this years team and their record was worse too.

SB, elliot ??

They got the 2 seed because the coaches perception was that they were the second best team.

Did they finish 2nd in section play-offs?

[Wild4hockey]

The year was 2001. That certainly was an odd year given who the typical section powers have been. TRF and Warroad had the 5 & 6 seeds. PR had the 2 and LOW was seeded 1. Even CRX had a good team that year.

[sinbombyzermancurve]

no they lost to egf in the semi's...naturally it as in egf...egf also went to state...crookston upset low in the other semi game

[elliott70]

no they lost to egf in the semi's...naturally it as in egf...egf also went to state...crookston upset low in the other semi game

So the coaches are not always right.
And ceding is important, but not the end of the season.

Go Panthers!
Go Jax!
Go Pirates!
Go Wave!

But odds are it is Warriors who will be going.

But the rest of us can enjoy the ride in the meantime.

I should throw in a 'GO HALLOCK' (sorry, but I have been to Hallock (a number of times), but I have never been to Kittson Central.)

[elliott70]

Go LOW!
Go RLF!
Go Bagley etal!
Go Walker etal!

Have to cheer for all the D16 teams plus the adopted two.

[schwang17]

You are right but EGF or TRF never lost to Hallock.

But they lost to PR - TRF by 4 goals.

EGF gets smoked by Moorhead, TRF beats Moorhead, PR smokes TRF. PR then loses to KC. You guys figure it out, cuz I sure can't.

A 1 loss season should at least give you the #2 seed. I don't give a damn who you play. Especially holding wins over the 2 teams they're fighting with.

[elliott70]

You are right but EGF or TRF never lost to Hallock.

But they lost to PR - TRF by 4 goals.

EGF gets smoked by Moorhead, TRF beats Moorhead, PR smokes TRF. PR then loses to KC. You guys figure it out, cuz I sure can't.

A 1 loss season should at least give you the #2 seed. I don't give a damn who you play. Especially holding wins over the 2 teams they're fighting with.

That's not true.

[elliott70]

You are right but EGF or TRF never lost to Hallock.

But they lost to PR - TRF by 4 goals.

EGF gets smoked by Moorhead, TRF beats Moorhead, PR smokes TRF. PR then loses to KC. You guys figure it out, cuz I sure can't.

A 1 loss season should at least give you the #2 seed. I don't give a damn who you play. Especially holding wins over the 2 teams they're fighting with.

Three teams.

[elliott70]

You are right but EGF or TRF never lost to Hallock.

But they lost to PR - TRF by 4 goals.

EGF gets smoked by Moorhead, TRF beats Moorhead, PR smokes TRF. PR then loses to KC. You guys figure it out, cuz I sure can't.

A 1 loss season should at least give you the #2 seed. I don't give a damn who you play. Especially holding wins over the 2 teams they're fighting with.

But it is a factor.

Scheduling based on that theory would have Walker, Bagley, Sleepy Eye, River Lakes etc... turning teams away.

[elliott70]

Park Rapids has 6 teams that are in the bottom 10% of teams in MN on their schedule. 3 of them they play twice.
They only have 4 games against teams in the top 100 and only one game against a team in the top 50 of those 4.

They beat the bad teams bad as they should 4 times, 3 games were not blow-outs.
A 5 - 1 win over #151.
5-2 & 3-1 over #137.
They still have a couple more games with these teams.

The schedule will be taken into account.

If Park Rapids fans think they can rely on a good record on a weak schedule for a high cede, I certainly hope the players and coaches are not.

[schwang17]

Three teams.

Senile, old man's thinking...

[schwang17]

But it is a factor.

Scheduling based on that theory would have Walker, Bagley, Sleepy Eye, River Lakes etc... turning teams away.

Of course it's a factor. But so are the W's against those teams vying for #2, which SHOULD outweigh the weak schedule conflict.

[elliott70]

Three teams.

Senile, old man's thinking...

After tonight, maybe...


Monday night will be the tell all....

[elliott70]

But it is a factor.

Scheduling based on that theory would have Walker, Bagley, Sleepy Eye, River Lakes etc... turning teams away.

Of course it's a factor. But so are the W's against those teams vying for #2, which SHOULD outweigh the weak schedule conflict.

It might, but PR needs to win against the rest. A loss to Crookston would be devasting. A loss to another lesser team will hurt.

Just as EGF needs to beat TRF, TRF needs to beat Bemidji...
and vice versa...
just as tonight's game with EGF and Warroad is big...

[TTpuckster]

But it is a factor.

Scheduling based on that theory would have Walker, Bagley, Sleepy Eye, River Lakes etc... turning teams away.

Of course it's a factor. But so are the W's against those teams vying for #2, which SHOULD outweigh the weak schedule conflict.

It might, but PR needs to win against the rest. A loss to Crookston would be devasting. A loss to another lesser team will hurt.

Just as EGF needs to beat TRF, TRF needs to beat Bemidji...
and vice versa...
just as tonight's game with EGF and Warroad is big...

Yep, and the elves lost 6 - 4. Although it sounds like it was a good game.

I believe warroad's last goal was an EN'ter.

The wave played 3 tough games this week but lost all three, giving up 6 goals in each game.

they just do not have any consistency. As usual.

I know that PR lost to KC, but you have to say that it is tough for any team to win all of their games, just because it is simply hard to not have at least one bad game during the course of a year.

If the wave can beat TRF on the 12th, that will help.
But, I just don't know.

[gottago]

The best part about all this is everyone's interest. PR fans are excited as they should be. And when was the last time Hallock (KC) beat two respected opponents (PR & Crookston) in the same year? People forget that Hallock had the first indoor ice sheet in Minnesota. Good for all the folks that keep hockey going there. All the games are tightening up now and the itensity is rising...which is why we love it! Only one team will leave the section tourney happy so lets just enjoy the rest of the month and whoever it is............................good luck at the X.

[SiouxRecruit]

I dont even know what to think...I will have to wait and see...PR needs to win out though.... ..PR looked a bit tired from the game the night before up in Red Lake...and maybe underestimated KC...PR had a bad game....its gotta happen some time eh?...good thing it was early...

[elliott70]

Even if PR lost, it is nice to have you back, Sue.

[Stiff-Shaft]

[quote="elliott70"]Park Rapids has 6 teams that are in the bottom 10% of teams in MN on their schedule. 3 of them they play twice.
They only have 4 games against teams in the top 100 and only one game against a team in the top 50 of those 4.

They beat the bad teams bad as they should 4 times, 3 games were not blow-outs.
A 5 - 1 win over #151.
5-2 & 3-1 over #137.
They still have a couple more games with these teams.

The schedule will be taken into account.

If Park Rapids fans think they can rely on a good record on a weak schedule for a high cede, I certainly hope the players and coaches are not.[/quote]

You also have to remember that a win is a win. Just because PR did not blow other teams out of the water doesn't mean anything. They may have played more younger kids during the game. Also some teams pay up or down to the level of team they are playing. a 5-3 win is just as good as a 10-3 win.