Ref'ing at Bantam A state tournament

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Do you agree with how the Bantam A State Tournament games have been called

Poll ended at Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:07 pm

Yes
8
38%
No
13
62%
 
Total votes: 21

wannagototherink
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Post by wannagototherink »

HavinFun wrote:Wow, where to start here, I know I am going to miss something so just to forwarn, I will probably be leaving back to back posts.

Also, I have absolutely no affiliation with any team at the tournament.

6moorhead - By your comments I wonder if you were even at the game. From what I saw the Moorhead coaches should be extremely embarrassed of themselves. Arguing calls when there player clearly runs the goalie. Going after the officials after the game because the timekeeper started the clock late, boy that's the officials fault isn't it???? Every penalty Moorhead took was absolutely there, they weren't even maybe calls, they were all black and white. Tell me, when you are shorthanded already, why take a big two hander, to put your team down 5 on 3? I'll stop here, but can go on if you would like. Basically Moorhead definately took themselves out of this game.

TrojanMan1 - The only embarrasing thing I saw at this game was the Edina coaches and parents, which eventually filtered to the players. Edina took themselves out of the game as soon as Centennial scored the first goal. So I don't get to carried away, I'll end this by saying that I expected alot more from Edina, I guess they don't know how to lose.

thenumber4 - The officials are reacting to what you players are doing, they aren't making things up. The players are deciding everything by their actions on the ice, not the officials. Just go out and play hockey.

wannagototherink - FYI, almost all of the state tournament games are officiated by a crew not from one of the teams home districts (you did not see a district 6 or disctrict 10 crew work the championship game, because of the teams present). Also, I am still a little surprised by some of the comments you have made on this topic (infact even starting it at all??). Lets look at the Wayzata/Eden Prairie game you referred to: How many head contact penalties must an official call before the message gets sent to keep you hands down. The first one that was taken was extremely obvious, from there on, whenever someone got hit in the head it had to be called in order to remain consistent (I believe you spoke of consistency as well, maybe your version is different, who knows???)

"The Code" is an excellent book, and I would highly recommend it to everyone.

Doglover - Are you serious?? The Centennial/Edina game was a zoo because of the Edina coaches and Parents, I firmly believe that it had nothing to do with the officiating, in fact I believe that the officials did a great job with the situation they were placed in.

Again I had absolutely no affiliation with any of the team present.



Havin,

I respect your opinion but I am going to have to disagree, but hey, thats what a board like this is about. I will say that it seems you were watching the games from an officials point of view, nothing wrong with that it's just not how I watch a game. Maybe you are an official, maybe you work at the board level, or have some other function in hockey that would cause you to watch a game that way. I am commenting from purely a fans perspective, and I'm not saying you aren't a fan, but I paid my $15 (which was an excellent price to watch all that hockey, kudos D6) and was disappointed with what I thought was hockey dominated by officials. Even the kids who apparently played in these games didn't think that it was one team getting over on another, I have said that from the start. It was just frustrating as a fan and I spoke with many people who felt the same way. I do think the tournament as a whole was a tremendous event and those who put it on obviously worked really hard to put on a great show for the kids. I think the ref's gave an honost effort I really don't fault them for how they were forced to call the games, and I don't think Dave Kemp should apologize for wanting his districts standards to be enforced in games played in his district. It was simply an observation I made and others around Braemar this weekend were talking about as well. That is why I started the thread, simply to continue the many conversations I had at the rink.
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wildthing
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Post by wildthing »

I watched the championship game Sunday. The refs clearly let some things go (both ways) that were called all season long in D6. Overall this crew did a fine job.
iseepalms
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Post by iseepalms »

Hey inthestands,
You must be one of those paid volunteers! The way things are starting to decline and they are, You won't have to worry about it. Sure numbers are up in some areas but in the majority they are down. What other things can Minnesota Hockey do, Maybe have a survey HA HA HA. That survey from the people that I discussed it with was a joke.
inthestands
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Post by inthestands »

iseepalms wrote:Hey inthestands,
You must be one of those paid volunteers! The way things are starting to decline and they are, You won't have to worry about it. Sure numbers are up in some areas but in the majority they are down. What other things can Minnesota Hockey do, Maybe have a survey HA HA HA. That survey from the people that I discussed it with was a joke.
I've filled a number of different roles during my 3 kids hockey terms. Coaching, reffing, local hockey board, team driver, head puck finder, dry land coordinator, and a few others. Haven't agreed with everything that's happened along the way, but understand complaining about it on a message board isn't going to fix anything either.

If there was a problem, or something I didn't like, I'd try to have some positive impact and see if things could improve. Now I'm old and tired, but still love the game.

I don't know how long you've been around hockey, but if you look to Mn Hockey, USA Hockey, your local district and every where else, but not in the mirror first, don't expect much to happen.

The way of the world today is "entitlement". What can you do for me. How can you make my life better. How can you make my players game better. How about, how can "I" make my kid a better person, or a better player, or the list goes on and on.
TriedThat2
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Post by TriedThat2 »

With a name like iseepalms, you might want to consider posts that are a little less self satisfying!!
mn man
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Post by mn man »

wildthing wrote:I watched the championship game Sunday. The refs clearly let some things go (both ways) that were called all season long in D6. Overall this crew did a fine job.
I agree wildthing, Sunday's game was better than Saturday's from that standpoint.
FREDFLINTSTONE
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Post by FREDFLINTSTONE »

Sunday was very good.

Well, you know Meatloaf's song, one out of..................11 ain't bad.
:lol:
HavinFun
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Post by HavinFun »

Havin,

I respect your opinion but I am going to have to disagree, but hey, thats what a board like this is about. I will say that it seems you were watching the games from an officials point of view, nothing wrong with that it's just not how I watch a game. Maybe you are an official, maybe you work at the board level, or have some other function in hockey that would cause you to watch a game that way. I am commenting from purely a fans perspective, and I'm not saying you aren't a fan, but I paid my $15 (which was an excellent price to watch all that hockey, kudos D6) and was disappointed with what I thought was hockey dominated by officials. Even the kids who apparently played in these games didn't think that it was one team getting over on another, I have said that from the start. It was just frustrating as a fan and I spoke with many people who felt the same way. I do think the tournament as a whole was a tremendous event and those who put it on obviously worked really hard to put on a great show for the kids. I think the ref's gave an honost effort I really don't fault them for how they were forced to call the games, and I don't think Dave Kemp should apologize for wanting his districts standards to be enforced in games played in his district. It was simply an observation I made and others around Braemar this weekend were talking about as well. That is why I started the thread, simply to continue the many conversations I had at the rink.[/quote]

Wanna Go -

I also respect your opinion which was like you stated, most likely from a different prospective. Hey we have found at least one agreement here and that is to disagree :)

I also heard many of the same discussions you had around Braemer last weekend, which is one reason why I decided to post. I had heard enough complaining about the officiating and was surprised to see the initial post on here, which did set me off a little bit. You already know how I stand on these issues, so I won't go further in to rifle any more feathers. Just know that I absolutely respect your opinion on many different levels, the majority of your posts on these boards have been spot on, we just happen to disagree on this topic and like you mentioned that is why these boards are here. Till next time...Lets Play Hockey!!
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