Only Private schools recurit?

Pioneerprideguy · Post by **Pioneerprideguy** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:25 pm

God Bless America & the freedom of choice!

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:26 pm

Govs93 wrote:
Well there ya go... I may finally be coming around on this, PB.

Perhaps the way to go is to take all of the Bantams in the state, gather them in the Minneapolis Convention Center over a weekend in August, and have an annual MSHSL Draft. I think it could work. Those that aren't selected are put into a "free agent pool", and can be brought in for the right "price".

"With the first pick in the 2008 MSHSL hockey draft, Bloomington Kennedy selects... "

No Govs. We recruit, we dont draft. Just like the Military.

We give people information which gives them choices which is alwaysgood for everybody.

Keep America strong and free.

Govs93 · Post by **Govs93** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:36 pm

packerboy wrote:
Govs93 wrote:
Well there ya go... I may finally be coming around on this, PB.

Perhaps the way to go is to take all of the Bantams in the state, gather them in the Minneapolis Convention Center over a weekend in August, and have an annual MSHSL Draft. I think it could work. Those that aren't selected are put into a "free agent pool", and can be brought in for the right "price".

"With the first pick in the 2008 MSHSL hockey draft, Bloomington Kennedy selects... "
No Govs. We recruit, we dont draft. Just like the Military.

We give people information which gives them choices which is alwaysgood for everybody.

Keep America strong and free.

I still find it odd that the choice to follow the Lord happens following the 8th grade, more often than not. Oh well - He doth work in mysterious ways.

I believe He also doth encourage rich alum to pile more on the annual collection plate following successful hockey seasons. Big fan, the Lord is... big fan.

pioneers · Post by **pioneers** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:47 pm

Pioneerprideguy wrote:God Bless America & the freedom of choice!

I agree. Also why just because a kid goes to a different school is it automatically assumed that he was "Recruited"?

Can't Never Tried · Post by **Can't Never Tried** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:48 pm

pioneers wrote:
Pioneerprideguy wrote:God Bless America & the freedom of choice!
I agree. Also why just because a kid goes to a different school is it automatically assumed that he was "Recruited"?

Purely to keep "bored" discussion alive !

Govs93 · Post by **Govs93** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:48 pm

Pioneerprideguy wrote:
Govs93 wrote:
rex123 wrote: Ok Champ and you just keep believing that private schools are evil, I not buying y=the Private recruit garbage either
Then you're absolutely blind and/or stupid... you think coaches aren't out talking to players to get them to attend private schools? Even the most staunch supporter of private schools on the board, PB, knows that it happens. Get a clue kid. I'm sure there are several players (or former players) on this board who will tell you that they were approached and asked questions about school plans by private school coaches.

And, I'm not making an accusation here - YOU are. You show us one example of a public school recruiting. This lame sentence you provided doesn't count because you clearly know nothing of this situation, and I have no doubt in my mind that you're completely wrong about what you're accusing these schools of... nice try though.
Please see last year's Central girls basketball...or Hopkins boys hoops. The modifications to the transfer rules were just as much a puplic school issue as it was a private school issue. Players migrated to successful public school sports for similiar reasons people migrated to private schools, but perhaps couldn't/didn't want to pay tuition.

Freddy Coleman tranferred from Harding to Johnson a couple years ago, was that a bad thing? He had contact with Johnson's coaches & players. He knew the kids on Johnson's teams, and opted to transfer because Johnson's football & basketball teams were much better than Harding's.

This situation happens all the time. Would you call this recruiting? Personally, I have no problem with Freddy's decision.

Again, I don't know basketball, and I don't know this situation. Would I call it recruiting? I can't say for sure.

I will grant you that the Hopkins situation is interesting. I'd be curious to see the breakdown of where those kids are coming from, because I don't believe that the city of Hopkins is more of a roundball hotbed than Minneapolis. I wonder how many of them are coming into school from elsewhere - although it still wouldn't necessarily answer the question of whether or not the Hopkins coaches got to the kids beforehand.

As I referenced before, I know that a few of the football players at Wayzata are actually from Minneapolis because of the reciprocation (or whatever it's called) program between the Wayzata and Minneapolis districts - my kids attend Wayzata schools, and have classmates who are bussed in from Minneapolis, but I wouldn't view that as recruiting. To my knowledge, the football coaches aren't going into Minneapolis and suggesting this as an option to the local Pop Warner leagues.

Govs93 · Post by **Govs93** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:50 pm

pioneers wrote:
Pioneerprideguy wrote:God Bless America & the freedom of choice!
I agree. Also why just because a kid goes to a different school is it automatically assumed that he was "Recruited"?

It's naive to think that... but at the same time, it's naive to think that some form of it doesn't happen.

And it also helps the bored discussion.

Pioneerprideguy · Post by **Pioneerprideguy** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:54 pm

Govs,

The Freddy Coleman case I mentioned happened as written & happens everywhere. If you can't call that recruiting then you need to cut some slack to the schools you are accusing of doing it.

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:55 pm

If it wasn't for recruiting what would we blame? Coaching?...

pioneers · Post by **pioneers** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:57 pm

I agree that some recruiting through parents and kids does happen. However that is not against any rules and to say they were recruited always gives the connotation of cheating.

Pioneerprideguy · Post by **Pioneerprideguy** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:57 pm

Neutron 14 wrote:If it wasn't for recruiting what would we blame? Coaching?...

Aus has as many state titles as Lech.

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:00 pm

Pioneerprideguy wrote:
Neutron 14 wrote:If it wasn't for recruiting what would we blame? Coaching?...
Aus has as many state titles as Lech.

Aus has had more talent...

cajones18 · Post by **cajones18** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:07 pm

Yes only private schools RECRUIT! Cuz they can't find enough talent in their own schools to have a good hockey team.

Govs93 · Post by **Govs93** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:12 pm

Pioneerprideguy wrote:Govs,

The Freddy Coleman case I mentioned happened as written & happens everywhere. If you can't call that recruiting then you need to cut some slack to the schools you are accusing of doing it.

I'm not calling it anything because I don't know the situation. I have seen Skrypek wandering around Phalen Arena talking to some of my classmates at the time and their parents, and offer to show them around HM - I, myself, had talked to Dennis Denning and was offered the same look around at CDH when I was playing at East Twins... I never saw that from the Johnson coaches I spent time around... Rubbelke, Kendig and Dickman. They would talk through things that should be expected when we finally got to Johnson, but there was never a "recruiting" element to it. They knew where we were going, so they prepared.

Pioneerprideguy · Post by **Pioneerprideguy** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:16 pm

You never experienced that from Johnson coaches because you were already in their program. No need to "recruit" someone who is already "enlisted".

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:19 pm

Govs93 wrote: I have seen Skrypek wandering around Phalen Arena talking to some of my classmates at the time and their parents, and offer to show them around HM

Blasphemy!

Govs93 · Post by **Govs93** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:20 pm

pioneers wrote: I agree that some recruiting through parents and kids does happen. However that is not against any rules and to say they were recruited always gives the connotation of cheating.

Maybe it does, but it's not cheating... I don't necessarily think it's always on the up-and-up, but there's not much you can do to stop it.

As I've said, my only real issue with it is when it comes to kids who have been in public school all the way through elementary and junior high, then suddenly make their way to a private school in 9th grade to play hockey. The timing is always just a little too coincidental for me.

On the flip side, if you played in a "public" (misnomer) youth program but were going to a private school during that time, I would consider you a "lost cause" (

) and have no objection to you obviously attending a private high school. I wish the best for those kids - go get a title.

Are you within your rights to go from a public school in 8th grade, then go private in 9th? Absolutely you are. Do I have the right to suspect there's something shady going on? Yes, I do.

Govs93 · Post by **Govs93** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:21 pm

Neutron 14 wrote:
Govs93 wrote: I have seen Skrypek wandering around Phalen Arena talking to some of my classmates at the time and their parents, and offer to show them around HM
Blasphemy!

Not quite sure what he was doing with that big wad of $100's and the Mercedes keys though...

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:23 pm

Govs93 wrote:
pioneers wrote: I agree that some recruiting through parents and kids does happen. However that is not against any rules and to say they were recruited always gives the connotation of cheating.
Maybe it does, but it's not cheating... I don't necessarily think it's always on the up-and-up, but there's not much you can do to stop it.

As I've said, my only real issue with it is when it comes to kids who have been in public school all the way through elementary and junior high, then suddenly make their way to a private school in 9th grade to play hockey. The timing is always just a little too coincidental for me.

On the flip side, if you played in a "public" (misnomer) youth program but were going to a private school during that time, I would consider you a "lost cause" () and have no objection to you obviously attending a private high school. I wish the best for those kids - go get a title.

Are you within your rights to go from a public school in 8th grade, then go private in 9th? Absolutely you are. Do I have the right to suspect there's something shady going on? Yes, I do.

I get a kick out of the non-catholics.

Pioneerprideguy · Post by **Pioneerprideguy** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:24 pm

Govs93 wrote:
Neutron 14 wrote:
Govs93 wrote: I have seen Skrypek wandering around Phalen Arena talking to some of my classmates at the time and their parents, and offer to show them around HM
Blasphemy!
Not quite sure what he was doing with that big wad of $100's and the Mercedes keys though...[/quote]

If that is your picture of recruiting, then there is a great deal of recruiting happening on the streets of the eastside.

sachishi4 · Post by **sachishi4** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:31 pm

My issue comes from catholic boys like Jake Hansen and Owen Collette going to private school all their life until high school. Im sure there was no tampering there either.

Especially when Jake would always talk about being guaranteed a roster spot by the coach on WBL's team in 7th grade.

marshallrulz · Post by **marshallrulz** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:46 pm

rex123 i support you buddy you know what your talking about, recruiting is everywhere, especially Duluth East

sachishi4 · Post by **sachishi4** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:48 pm

marshallrulz wrote:rex123 i support you buddy you know what your talking about, recruiting is everywhere, especially Duluth Marshall

why would you insult your school like that?

marshallrulz · Post by **marshallrulz** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:51 pm

gosh your funny it clearly says duluth east, your so funny you could be a stand up comedian and be sitting down.

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:54 pm

sachishi4 wrote:My issue comes from catholic boys like Jake Hansen and Owen Collette going to private school all their life until high school. Im sure there was no tampering there either.

Especially when Jake would always talk about being guaranteed a roster spot by the coach on WBL's team in 7th grade.

I went to high school with many kids who "escaped" St. Pius.