Section 4AA 2008-09

Melvin44 · Post by **Melvin44** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:03 pm

Bensonmum wrote:Sorry Joe I think I sounded too snippy in that last post--it was meant a little more tongue in cheek than that. Brausen and Capistrant maybe skated together for 2 or 3 games... IMO the bigger story is that Ahna Logan and Dani Kerr have really stepped it up, as well as the two youngters playing very mature and productive.
Yes, without Brausen it isn't the same team--she does it all. She's a great two-way player like many recent Roseville stars (Dorr, Babineau, Cody). She plays point on the power play and also penalty kill. She's an excellent back-checker and forechecker. Roseville would miss her more than Stillwater or HM would miss any one player--I guess that's what Joe was getting at.
And goalzilla mentions that '...Roseville has the edge on Defense and coaching' over Stillwater. Roseville's coaching is top-notch, absolutely. But I'm not sure you ever have an advantage over Coach Scheid.

I do agree with all your comments. Kerr is a great player and leader reminds me a little of Babineau. She will be missed next year. Is she going to play D1?. I also like Logan nice 2 way player and I've heard great things about Brodt. Really coming on. As far as coaching I also feel Hill's coach is very good and a reason for Hills wins over Stillwater and WBL. I feel our WBL coach has done a great job and is also very good. He may have played too many girls but being a first year coach that is understandable. He is a winner and I'm sure he will coach to win in sections.

hockeywild7 · Post by **hockeywild7** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 1:11 pm

White Bear could be a darkhorse but only if they quit taking so many penalties in games. They don't have a chance against Roseville, Stillwater or Hill-Murray if the take alot of penalties as seems to be the case in quite a few games.

talkhockey · Post by **talkhockey** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 1:28 pm

hockeyheaven · Post by **hockeyheaven** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 3:19 pm

Here we go again.

thshockey · Post by **thshockey** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:10 pm

do you guys think that the Novas, Cretin, Tartan, or the Blades even could pull off an upset like Cretin did last year?

Melvin44 · Post by **Melvin44** » Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:02 pm

talkhockey wrote:Okay that’s it. I have been trying to stay out of this debate, Great job? Really? Common Melvin 44, got to luv the eternal optimist in ya, but come on. From what I have read, witnessed or been told nothing has changed with this program and you know it. In fact one could say it has taken a big step backward. The penalties, the poor game management, the lack of emotional control on the bench, the lack of player development, the discord and inter bickering amongst the players. Worst of all the total abuse of his authority as displayed with the way he plays his daughter. I know this is not the place to air these concerns, but you leave no option with your continuous takes on the matter. Bad hire from the start and nothing has changed, and all the wishing and denial will not change it.

What games have you been watching lately?? In my opinion WBL dominated MV and just as good as both Stillwater and Roseville. As for the penalties, they have improved in that area, other than a ref at the Stillwater game who is too old to be at the HS level. Did you see that game? As for "abuse of power" from the coach, the daughter in question is 4th in scoring and a top 4 D on the team. They lost a top player for the year, and have only one scoring line. A Jr and Soph goalie who never played at this level prior to this year, and 6 top players who left to play for Hill.

Parents like you are the reason WBL gets a bad rap, and until that changes it will be hard on the coach! Parents like you wouldn't be satisfied if Lucia or Bowman was the coach! Be supportive for the girls' sake!

Eternal optimist? I don't think so; just a guy who knows what it's like to coach many of these girls. And let me tell you, it's harder than it looks.

Feel free to come up to me at one of the games and we'll talk. Of course, I doubt that will happen. I think I know who you are, and let me ask you, what have you won?! I think you were a coach, and as I recall, struggled mightily.

WBL has a chance! Wait and see.

joehockey · Post by **joehockey** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:34 am

Top Goaltending in 4AA! (From 2/3 Pioneer Press)

Name Min. GAA Sv.%

Erika Allen, Roseville 626 0.90 .952
Jenna Boss, Roseville 530 1.35 .923
Ali McKeever, Hill-Murray 790 1.48 .926
Marah Sobczak, Stillwater 1149 1.57 .933
Maddi Abrahamson, WBL 604 2.36 .901
Colleen Dunnigan, White Br Lk 584 2.36 .898
Rachel Snell, North St. Paul 1201 2.38 .898

talkhockey · Post by **talkhockey** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:05 am

Bensonmum · Post by **Bensonmum** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:13 am

This is getting very personal, can you guys PM this discussion?

Melvin44 · Post by **Melvin44** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:28 pm

You're right Bensomum. I've tried to PM. I also feel a need to defend our program on this forum. This person is making personal attacks which is unacceptable and with no merit!

Jerry is a good coach and the fact that he doesn't have the same talent is why I think he deserves credit. Read my post above. Injuries and inexperience are issues. Mark my words this team will be a top 5 team next year. We have 2 seniors. 2. They do dry land this year. They work on breakouts and positioning in practice. Not just PP as last year.

My daughter is captain and yes there're a few girls who don't get along. But you'll find this on every team. She has said it's much better than the last few years and that most girls are getting along. They do a lot of team building and are having fun.

Talk, you say wins don't mean anything??? Whaaaat. Polls don't mean anything. Remember EP was rated #1 earlier and CDH wasn't rated last year before sections. If WBL were 21-0 we wouldn't have heard from you.

Like I stated earlier PM me or contact me as everyone knows who I am I'll gladly explain everything as you're obviously misinformed or not seeing things clearly.

Finally you know we played Roseville last night as you're a parent and therefore know it was a very good game. Shots were even and the difference was that they scored on their chances and WBL didn't. Can't blame the coach for that.

thshockey · Post by **thshockey** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:57 pm

is anyone going to answer my question?

Melvin44 · Post by **Melvin44** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:09 pm

thshockey wrote:do you guys think that the Novas, Cretin, Tartan, or the Blades even could pull off an upset like Cretin did last year?

Remember CDH had 2 D1 defenders, 1 D1 forward and a Hot goalie who happened to be very good. They also had a coach who shortened the bench. I don't know much about these teams but I don't think they have simlar personel and that would make it more difficult.

Anything is possible.

Bensonmum · Post by **Bensonmum** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:31 pm

thshockey wrote:do you guys think that the Novas, Cretin, Tartan, or the Blades even could pull off an upset like Cretin did last year?

No chance. Remember, Cretin was a great team with a bad record--Jondahl only joined the team on Jan. 1, Wild missed a bunch of games with the USA U18 team. By the time of the Section tournament, they were definitely one of the three favorites. There isn' t a parallel among the teams you list here. You'd have to compare last year's Cretin to NSP or WBL, and even that would be a stretch.
But thanks for asking....

thshockey · Post by **thshockey** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:55 pm

Bensonmum wrote:
thshockey wrote:do you guys think that the Novas, Cretin, Tartan, or the Blades even could pull off an upset like Cretin did last year?
No chance. Remember, Cretin was a great team with a bad record--Jondahl only joined the team on Jan. 1, Wild missed a bunch of games with the USA U18 team. By the time of the Section tournament, they were definitely one of the three favorites. There isn' t a parallel among the teams you list here. You'd have to compare last year's Cretin to NSP or WBL, and even that would be a stretch.
But thanks for asking....

well anythings possible right? I mean Tartan does have a good team, they're just very young, but look at the progress they've made this year! apart from other years!
The Novas aren't horrible either, their goaltending is pretty good, and they do have girls that can score!

people can't just leave these teams out of the picture, yea they may not have greatest records like Roseville and Hill Murray, but they're still good teams competing in a very tough section.

Bensonmum · Post by **Bensonmum** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:53 pm

Definitely anything can and will happen.

joehockey · Post by **joehockey** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:22 am

Sec 4 Sectional Seedings just released
Brackets with dates, times & locations
http://www.hill-murray.org/files/hillmu ... racket.pdf

Seeding and First Games
#1 Roseville vs winner of #8 Tartan vs. #9 St. Paul Blades Play In
#2 Hill Murray vs. #7Mlps. Novas
#3 Stillwater vs. #6 CDH
#4 WBL vs. #5 NSP

joehockey · Post by **joehockey** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:01 pm

Sections will be reviewed/discussed and maybe re-set for 2010 & 2011 during the State Tournament. Would be nice to see these three teams spread - maybe Roseville to 5AA and either HM or Stillwater to 3AA. By any measure these are three of the top teams in the state likely ranked next week #1, #2, #3(Sec 5AA has teams ranked #7, #16, #17, #20 while Sec 3AA has only one at #12).

Here is a look at records and rosters (MSHL varsity) - these are young teams who should be strong again in 2010. (I didn't look at all rosters but I think NSP has 1 senior, WB and SP Blades 2 and Tartan maybe zero?)

#1 Roseville 23-1-1 Roster - 4 srs, 7 jrs, 2 soph, 3 fr, 1 8th (17 - 6 underclass)
#2 Hill Murray 21-3-0 (play BSM 2/10) Roster 5 srs, 5 jrs, 3 soph, 6 fr (19 - 9 underclass)
#3 Stillwater 21-4-0 Roster 5 srs, 7 jrs, 8 sophs, 3 fr, 1 8th (22 - 12 underclass)
#4 White Bear 14-9-2
#5 NSP 15-9-1
#6 CDH 5-20
#7 Mlps Novas 9-13-2
#8 Tartan 7-17
#9 Blades 2-22

Melvin44 · Post by **Melvin44** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:09 pm

I'm sure it was just an oversite. But don't forget my BEARS next year as they lose only one player (4pts) and will get Lowell back. That and with the experience they gained this year. I would put them as a top team in the section behind Roseville. HM (78 pts ) and Stillwater (95 pts) lose a lot. Roseville loses Kerr (23 pts)who is a great player.

NSP will also contend as they don't lose much and might get Anderson back?

Bensonmum · Post by **Bensonmum** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:25 pm

I've always thought 2010 was Roseville's year. The seniors will be missed, but the junior class has been the one with the most 'star power'. 5 of them have been starters and major contributors since their freshman year.
Replacing Dahl and Charpentier will take some doing. Same said for Knadjek and Stumpf?

Bensonmum · Post by **Bensonmum** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:28 pm

Is Marah Sobczak the best goalie in the state? She's the best I've seen, along with the Hopkins' Billadeau.

joehockey · Post by **joehockey** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:31 pm

Melvin44 wrote:I'm sure it was just an oversite. But don't forget my BEARS next year as they lose only one player (4pts) and will get Lowell back. That and with the experience they gained this year. I would put them as a top team in the section behind Roseville. HM (78 pts ) and Stillwater (95 pts) lose a lot. Roseville loses Kerr (23 pts)who is a great player.

NSP will also contend as they don't lose much and might get Anderson back?

Melvin - No I wasn't forgetting you guys this year or next you have a great team and we hope you can take on Roseville! I just didn't go all the way down the list. A change in Section teams would be a benefit to WB in a big way also!

For next year HM loses 39 goals from seniors of the 106 goals scored by team to date - their leadership though will be the intangible that you can't capture in a stat.

hockeywild7 · Post by **hockeywild7** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:37 pm

Stillwater will return alot actually and has a very strong JV team to pull from. They return an extremely talented junior class as does Roseville. Look at the top 4 teams in the section and how many goals each returns.
Roseville 109 goals-return 88 goals
Stillwater 120 goals-return 80
WBL 70 goals-return 69
Hill-Murray 110 goals-return 70

goalzilla · Post by **goalzilla** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:19 pm

Sobczak is definitely the best in the conference and one of the best in the state. I would still have to go with Bellemy as #1. Sobczak is only an Junior and has one more year to go and IMO will be a MS goalie finalist in 2010. The lack of defense in front of her has forced her to show her talent as well.

joehockey · Post by **joehockey** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:32 pm

Melvin44 wrote:NSP will also contend as they don't lose much and might get Anderson back?

Melvin,

I read past this..... thought at first you were referring to your old WBL coach

....

Is Stephanie Anderson returning to HS Hockey at NSP? If so huge advantage to NSP she might be the best forward in the class of 2011 and has had a tremendous season skating with the Thoroughbreds. She would make an already strong NSP team another great contender within Section 4AA - all the more reason to realign some of the teams and the section next year.

Melvin44 · Post by **Melvin44** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:51 pm

I agree strongly for realignment and wish the girls would seed top 32 or all the way and then play down. I know it will never happen but wouldn't that be awesome 1 plays 32, 2 plays 31. There would be travel but I'm sure most teams wouldn't mind. State would be the best ever.

Yes, all teams return excellent players and will reload. My comments were that the TOP teams lose some VERY KEY players that will be missed and that WBL really only loses 4 pts. You have to dream.

Joe, Good one about Anderson (Coach) If that was to happen we'd be moving. Kidding of course. Always support the coach!

Joe. If anybody can get realignment done you can. Make it happen buddy...

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