Goalies

[komada77]

Rating goalies based on purely stats from pointstreak doesn't really paint a clear picture. All of the goalies listed play on top end teams. GAA is going to be low, Save percentage also. Are these goalies seeing the same amount of goal scoring chances as lower or mid level teams.

I think the Moberg kid from Forest Lake is the real deal. Plays on a weaker team, but gives his team a chance night in, night out.

I agree. that is the kind of kid you look for. Like Jack Horner from North St. Paul many years ago. No one thought of him but he only made all american 3 times (might have been 4)at Bemidji and should have played D1. We won't know who really is the best until like Scoring, we measure in more detail. How about shots and save percentage rom the "red zone"? Quality shots from dot to dot post to post. How about rebounds left in the corner vs out front. There is so much more to measure for goalies, we haven't even scratched the surface. I doubt Benilde with their weaker half schedule gives up more than 5 red zone shots a week. Whereas when they play the tougher teams they may give up 15 maybe 20. Hard to judge a goalie on simple averages is all I'm saying. Until we keep better stats we'll only know who the real best is after they make a run at juniors and college where those type of stats are kept and tracked.

I just left the tonka Eastview game. If there is a better goalie than the Eastview kid I'd like to see him. 53 saves, at least 35 from the red zone all goals unstoppable. I was very impressed. Kind of little, reminded me of Goering.

O'Shea is very, very good

[clapper17]

Cooper
Hemingway
Elmer
Sperl
Connor

All solid goaltenders within their class

[hshckfan08]

What about Altrichter from St. Thomas? I had heard the Gophers were looking at him and Meyers.

From watching a couple of his games, i'm astonished if the gophs are seriously looking. He is very athletic, but i have never seen another goalie get out of position like he does. he can get away from it in hs but im not so sure at another level. Again, this may have only been the couple games i saw.

Remember this is the same team that recruited the often over hyped and never living up to expectations Frazee! Thank god for Kangus

After this weekend i would be asking god for patterson.

[cctndr30]

From watching a couple of his games, i'm astonished if the gophs are seriously looking. He is very athletic, but i have never seen another goalie get out of position like he does. he can get away from it in hs but im not so sure at another level. Again, this may have only been the couple games i saw.

Remember this is the same team that recruited the often over hyped and never living up to expectations Frazee! Thank god for Kangus

After this weekend I would be asking god for patterson.

The Gophs are looking because Kangas won't be here next year and they will need a number 2. Despite last weekend, he is in line for a $2 million dollar deal. Also, the Gophers are always recruiting even if they screw a good player because they can. If any parent of a goalie looking at the U of M had been able to watch Patterson as long as I have, wouldn't even allow their son to consider them. They won't play. Hasn't been one as good as him since Schoen or Kangas himself.

[PrivatePunisher13]

O' Conner's numbers are great but has only 130 shots(approx.) on him.
Good goalie but hasn't been tested enough thanks to the Jaguar's defense.

[MoveYourFeet]

The best Minnesota High School goalie is in the USHL! Wayzata's Joe Howe who is in Juniors the last two years is by far the best 12th grade goalie from Minnesota. Move over everyone else and make room for Howe!

No disrespect to Coop / Fons and others, but Howe is the real deal.

[pipes3030]

The best Minnesota High School goalie is in the USHL! Wayzata's Joe Howe who is in Juniors the last two years is by far the best 12th grade goalie from Minnesota. Move over everyone else and make room for Howe!

No disrespect to Coop / Fons and others, but Howe is the real deal.

Actually, if your considering USHL goalies from Minnesota who are still in high school, i'd have to go with Mike Lee considering he's going to be playing in the USHL all-star game and Joe Howe is not. Also, Lee played the majority of the games in the world junior A challenge earlier this year.

[kingklick087]

I think Jon Gleinser is the best goalie in the SEC and one of the top goalies in the state.

[bluelineenvy]

Hemingway (Alex) has to be mentioned in the top, and it's a shame if he never makes it to the-X so the rest of the state can see why..

[Moose Jaw, SK]

I think Jon Gleinser is the best goalie in the SEC and one of the top goalies in the state.

I disagree. Collete from WBL and Moberg from FLake are much better in the SEC. I honestly don't understand how people think Gleinser is anything special whatsoever.

[douglasdoright]

I agree. that is the kind of kid you look for. Like Jack Horner from North St. Paul many years ago. No one thought of him but he only made all american 3 times (might have been 4)at Bemidji and should have played D1. We won't know who really is the best until like Scoring, we measure in more detail. How about shots and save percentage rom the "red zone"? Quality shots from dot to dot post to post. How about rebounds left in the corner vs out front. There is so much more to measure for goalies, we haven't even scratched the surface. I doubt Benilde with their weaker half schedule gives up more than 5 red zone shots a week. Whereas when they play the tougher teams they may give up 15 maybe 20. Hard to judge a goalie on simple averages is all I'm saying. Until we keep better stats we'll only know who the real best is after they make a run at juniors and college where those type of stats are kept and tracked.

I just left the tonka Eastview game. If there is a better goalie than the Eastview kid I'd like to see him. 53 saves, at least 35 from the red zone all goals unstoppable. I was very impressed. Kind of little, reminded me of Goering.

O'Shea is very, very good

I agree....O'Shea is very soild

[scoreboard33]

The best Minnesota High School goalie is in the USHL! Wayzata's Joe Howe who is in Juniors the last two years is by far the best 12th grade goalie from Minnesota. Move over everyone else and make room for Howe!

No disrespect to Coop / Fons and others, but Howe is the real deal.

Actually, if your considering USHL goalies from Minnesota who are still in high school, i'd have to go with Mike Lee considering he's going to be playing in the USHL all-star game and Joe Howe is not. Also, Lee played the majority of the games in the world junior A challenge earlier this year.

Agree, plus he got a try-out for the WJc and almost made the team, too bad he didn't, he certainly was better than McCollum and whoever the back-up was, but Rolston thought he was too young and not expierenced enough at a high level.

[son28]

Benik from St. Francis is doing well. He ranks in the top 10 according to prephockeynorth.com in saves, saves %, and shots faced. He has a 92% saves % and will probably continue to do well with their games coming up against top teams like Totino and Benilde.
Also, Cooper from East is playing great with almost a 94% saves % and he will continue his success.
Both are having great years. Keep it up.

[Sykes]

I think Jon Gleinser is the best goalie in the SEC and one of the top goalies in the state.

I disagree. Collete from WBL and Moberg from FLake are much better in the SEC. I honestly don't understand how people think Gleinser is anything special whatsoever.

Let take a look at the SEC goalies and throw in O'Shea: (goals against average, sav %, and shots per game)

gaa, sav%, and shots/g

Ness 1.50 .928, 22
Moberg 2.54 .920, 31
O'Shea 2.66 .927, 42
Gleinser 3.45 .903 35
Collette 2.59 .893 24

Stats that you don't have are rebound index, rebound goals, break away shots, positioning, quality of shots, etc. Moberg and O'Shea are both solid in these areas. That is why they take a lot of shots and still have a good save percentage. Gleinser gives up a lot of rebounds but because Hastings pulls all five players low because they give up a lot of shots, it helps with clearing rebounds. Collette is a mystery this year. Very up or very down and not a lot of shots. A little out of position trying to help his team as much as possible. The reason I throw Ness in the mix is to contrast how the style of play can affect a goalie. In the case of Forest Lake, Eastview, and Hastings, they do not have a lot of offense so they pull all five skaters in to block shots and get rid of rebounds. Woodbury on the other hand, spreads a lot of players out and any rebound goes right to the breakout. So a low shot total but a high percentage of break aways for Woodbury goaltenders. There are a few other SEC goalies that would be in that mix too. I have seen all these goalies play at least one game. Another way to look at goalies is by weaknesses but that is for another thread or for opposing coaches to figure out.

Rankings
Moberg FL,
O'Shea Eastview
Ness Woodbury
Gleinser Hastings
Moore Woodbury
Collette WBL

[cesar_maniago]

Hemingway from Alex is good, I think Derek Dudgeon from Bemidji is a top level goalie. 3rd year starter, has been hotter than a pistol his last 4 games. Single handedly beat Moorhead and tied Grand Rapids. When he is hot there is none better. Tonight at Roseau should be interesting. It's time this kid started getting some mentions as a top tier goalie. I'm sure most of you haven't even seen him, but he's big (6'2"), quick, and is starting to put it all together.

[prospector]

to get a better picture of the goalies make sure you check their save % and GAA against their record if you can find a goalie with a %90+ save % and 2.5 gaa or lower and a loosing record, you may have something to look at.. you also have to consider the competition..... if he's playing Edina, wayz, Hill, White Bear, Woodbury, apple valley etc... and still holds his own. !!??? then maybe the winners always have a good Defense[/i]

[EHSHack]

Hemingway (Alex) has to be mentioned in the top, and it's a shame if he never makes it to the-X so the rest of the state can see why..

Well if he's that good, wont he make it too the X?...

[GopherPuckPlayer]

Hemingway (Alex) has to be mentioned in the top, and it's a shame if he never makes it to the-X so the rest of the state can see why..

Well if he's that good, wont he make it too the X?...

Not if the High flying Flyers have something to say about it! Especially with the way Sperl has been playing as of late

[prospector]

not always do the best goalies even the best players get to the "X" but if you are looking to see where the talent is and potential for moving on past HS you cant just look at numbers and record. As good as Phillippi was do you think he could have brought a team like Park to the X by himself??? I doubt it

[hshckfan08]

Hemingway (Alex) has to be mentioned in the top, and it's a shame if he never makes it to the-X so the rest of the state can see why..

Well if he's that good, wont he make it too the X?...

Leis was pretty good his senior year, he didnt make it.

[black sheep]

The best Minnesota High School goalie is in the USHL! Wayzata's Joe Howe who is in Juniors the last two years is by far the best 12th grade goalie from Minnesota. Move over everyone else and make room for Howe!

No disrespect to Coop / Fons and others, but Howe is the real deal.

Actually, if your considering USHL goalies from Minnesota who are still in high school, i'd have to go with Mike Lee considering he's going to be playing in the USHL all-star game and Joe Howe is not. Also, Lee played the majority of the games in the world junior A challenge earlier this year.

Agree, plus he got a try-out for the WJc and almost made the team, too bad he didn't, he certainly was better than McCollum and whoever the back-up was, but Rolston thought he was too young and not expierenced enough at a high level.

The two most important stats for a goalie are not recorded...stopping the shots that you are supposed to stop & mental sturdiness.

If you look back at three great HS goalies from Roseau...Jerome Butler, Jake Brandt & Mike Lee.

Butler had tremendous talent in front of him but also made some amazing saves. High draft pick, struggled early in college and never got his confidence back.

Brandt also had tremendous talent in front of him but made every save look amazing...literally scary good, had good college career but a little unstable.

Lee also had tremendous talent in front of him but rarely made an amazing save. Deflect out of play, face off, deflect, face off. Verdict is still out but is playing at a high level.

Truely great goalies are the hardest to get a read on...seems like there is always a wait and see what happens after HS

[scarface]

Hemingway from Alex is good, I think Derek Dudgeon from Bemidji is a top level goalie. 3rd year starter, has been hotter than a pistol his last 4 games. Single handedly beat Moorhead and tied Grand Rapids. When he is hot there is none better. Tonight at Roseau should be interesting. It's time this kid started getting some mentions as a top tier goalie. I'm sure most of you haven't even seen him, but he's big (6'2"), quick, and is starting to put it all together.

I'll get to watch that match up tonight when Bemidji plays Alex in Alexandria. Bemidji fell to Roseau 3 - 0. Hemigway does all the little things well and the only knock I've heard on him is that he gives up the roof due to his size. That said, Alex won't be the same without him next year and they are glad to have him this year instead of Fargo.