Best Junior In Minnesota

[SB24]

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[SB24]

my bad

[Lucia4President]

That's only Class AA from Geocities.

Here is A:

2008-2009 JUNIORS CLASS A

FORWARD

1. Brock Nelson Warroad
2. Christian Isackson St. Thomas Academy
3. Jordan Christianson International Falls
4. Brett Hebel Warroad
5. Tyson Fulton Breck
6. Andy Worzala Sartell-St. Stephen
7. Jesse Nemgar Bemidji
8. Jake Useldinger East Grand Forks
9. Justin Crandall St. Thomas Academy
10. Thomas Williams Alexandria
11. Jordan Palusky St. Cloud Cathedral
12. Morgan Terpstra Crookston
13. Noah Gavin St. Thomas Academy
14. Joncarlo Westerlund Lake Of The Woods
15. Adam Krause Hermantown
16. Mike Morin Breck
17. Cody Christopherson Hermantown
18. Logan Talarico Duluth Denfeld
19. Riley Borer Breck
20. Charlie Adams Mahtomedi
21. Alex Koopmeiners St. Cloud Cathedral
22. Lucas Gervais Fergus Falls
23. Andrew Judnick Virginia/Mountain Iron-Buhl
24. Pat Noesen Red Wing
25. Nate Adams Litchfield/Dassel-Cokato
26. Brandon Zurn Mahtomedi
27. Matt Nahan Sartell-St. Stephen
28. Austin Plaine Sartell-St. Stephen
29. Michael Rutar Sauk Rapids-Rice
30. Tim Kohlmann South St. Paul
Others
Jason Johnson Duluth Denfeld
Josh Mensing Red Wing
Trevor Mikacevich South St. Paul
Bo Putrah Faribault
Matt Lindquist Thief River Falls
Ross Thompson Alexandria
John Noble Providence Academy
Wyatt Wenzel St. Paul Academy
Luke Gerding Spring Lake Park
Nick Eisenmenger Windom Area

DEFENSE

1. Nate Schmidt St. Cloud Cathedral
2. Willie Corrin International Falls
3. Kevin McMorrow Park Rapids
4. Garrett Orhn Greenway
5. Matt Youso International Falls
6. Nick Zierden Sartell-St. Stephen
7. Jordan Krebsbach Virginia/Mountain Iron-Buhl
8. James Trevathan St. Paul Academy
9. Chad Bannor Hermantown
10. Chris Benson Spring Lake Park
11. Jeff Paczynski Hermantown
12. Joe Graveline St. Thomas Academy
13. Dallas Weston Sauk Rapids-Rice
14. Kirby Nelson Alexandria
15. Ben Gilason Breck
16. Brandyn Chezick Rochester Lourdes
17. Matt Campbell Mankato West
18. Mike Mooney Breck
19. Patrick Hurley Duluth Marshall
20. Jacob Malwitz Thief River Falls
Others
Jesse Phenow Richfield
Joseph Welle Bemidji
Derek Kinder Fergus Falls
Nick Keuhl Mound-Westonka
Tanner Botts Mound-Westonka
Nick Murray Faribault
Cam Falvey Blake
David Crowe Breck
Brandon Peabody East Grand Forks
Matt Roth Rochester Loudes
Joe Zeidler Breck
Nick McLain Delano/Rockford

GOALIE

1. Zane Gothberg Thief River Falls
2. Mike Taffe Providence Academy
3. Nick Maiers St. Cloud Cathedral
4. Kurt Altrichter St. Thomas Academy
5. Mike Hart International Falls
6. Max Elstad Duluth Marshall
7. Jacob Turnquist St. Michael-Albertville
8. John Russell Breck
9. John Wrolson Albert Lea
10. Brad Wohlers Mahtomedi
Others
Zak Swenson Hutchinson
Tyler Ampe Hermantown
Brent Orndorf Sartell-St. Stephen

[mngopher]

Mickey Mendoza for sure!!!!

[Rocketwrister]

Michael Unzen--Moose Lake Area.

[EHSHack]

http://www.geocities.com/dent0110/junior2009AA.html
http://www.geocities.com/dent0110/junior2009A.html

You may not agree with the order but posting more just to look at the player list. I always find these kind of fun to look at.

I meant the NHL Rankings that EHSHACK was talking about where Forbert is 3 out of 4 and Lutzka is 1.5

I forget but it was on the forums recently so maybe a couple pages back.
A couple other I remember seeing play are Christian Issacson and Schroeder, not sure if Justin Faulk is a junior?

[bigpoppababy]

Michael Unzen--Moose Lake Area.

Thank you!!! I didn't want to be the only one support Moose Lake players!! Michael Unzen is a stud!! I have more fun watching him play, then any other player I have ever watched.

[BigWorm]

Forbort-East
Skrbec-Rapids
Krause-Hermantown

[Papa Bergundy]

Since the vast majority of my hockey knowledge is about the top teams in section 6, I'll do a few notable juniors from each of those teams. Don't take these as my MN's best juniors, just adding some fuel to the fire. Maybe people can do these with sections they're familiar with.

Armstrong- Tyler Johnson
Benilde- Brett Patterson, Will Nelson, Jacob Meyers
Eden Prairie- Mitch Rogge, Mike Erickson
Hopkins- Archie Skalbeck, Alex Fons
Minnetonka- Max Gardiner, Andrew Prochno, Troy Hesketh, Jim Kruger
Wayzata- Lucas Whelan, Scott Holm, Danny Walsh

I would put these as the best Juniors in section 6. Feel free to add to this list, or I encourage people to create one for other sections.

[son28]

goaltenders matt ray from andover and andy benik from st francis

[SargeyWargey09]

Some guy up in Duluth told me Forbort will go top 10 in this years nhl draft, is he really that good or is this guy nuts?

Forbort's real good but that guys crazy I don't think he's even eligible for this year's draft actually.

Top Juniors (no particular order):
Gardiner-Tonka
Prochno-Tonka
Taft-Edina
Benik-St. Francis
Herbert-Jefferson
Faust-Jefferson
Patterson-BSM
Meyers-BSM
Isackson-STA
Gaede-Woodbury
Hyland-Woodbury
Wolter-WBL
Lovick-Centennial
Alt-CDH
Skalbeck-Hopkins
Fons-Hopkins
Forbort-Duluth East
Connor Reilly-AHA
Fulton-Breck
Schmidt-SC Cathedral
Knochenmus-Roseau
Youso-I Falls

you are forgetting Brock Nelson, Brett Hebel? and Corrin from I-Falls And Connor O'Rielly is to small he isnt even a factor in this subject

[seek & destroy]

This class also has some pretty solid goaltenders. Meyers from BSM, Fons from Hopkins who I think is the best, and Kruger from Tonka. Who are some others?

2008-2009 JUNIORS CLASS AA

FORWARD
1. Max Gardiner Minnetonka
2. Caleb Herbert Bloomington Jefferson
3. John Skrbec Grand Rapids
4. Joey Benik St. Francis
5. Brett Patterson Benilde-St. Margaret's
6. Adam Knochenmus Roseau
7. Ryan Wolter White Bear Lake
8. Mike Erickson Eden Prairie
9. Kyle Lutzka Duluth East
10. Jordan Martini Rochester Century
11. Connor Reilly Academy Of Holy Angels
12. Max Gaede Woodbury
13. Cal Decowski Andover
14. Jake Erickson Chaska
15. Ryan Reilly Academy Of Holy Angels
16. Chad Hennum Elk River/Zimmerman
17. Jordan Lovick Centennial
18. Archie Skalbeck Hopkins
19. Chris Fischer Apple Valley
20. Zach Knight Bloomington Jefferson
21. Alec Horton Maple Grove
22. Adam Smyth Burnsville
23. Mike Chacich Eastview
24. Joe Rubbelke St. Paul Johnson
25. Jayce Paulseth Duluth East
26. Charlie Taft Edina
27. Jake McKee Tartan
28. Tyler Dietzler Bloomington Jefferson
29. Tommy Lundquist Minnetonka
30. Wilson Housley Stillwater
Others
James Hughes Centennial
Kevin Erickson Roseau
Brandon Derks Anoka
Andrew Anderson Rosemount
Travis Seurer Lakeville South
Justin Parizek Lakeville South
Mitch Rogge Eden Prairie
Ben Weigand Stillwater
Jesse Perron Cretin-Derham Hall
Josh Gaughan Buffalo
Neil Hultgren Bloomington Kennedy
Eric Bradley Mounds View
Tyler Johnson Robbinsdale Armstrong

DEFENSE
1. Derek Forbort Duluth East
2. Andrew Pitts North Metro
3. Adam Robson Apple Valley
4. Brett Stern Centennial
5. Kyle Kleinendorst Grand Rapids
6. Jeff Pauluk Bloomington Jefferson
7. Mark Alt Cretin-Derham Hall
8. Joe Faust Bloomington Jefferson
9. Sam Windle Osseo
10. Jordan Johnson Hill-Murray
11. Justin Holl Minnetonka
12. Charlie Aus Centennial
13. James Hansen Osseo
14. Andrew Prochno Minnetonka
15. Tony Larson Blaine
16. Chris Casto Hill-Murray
17. Kean Paxton Osseo
18. David Jarrett Edina
19. Casey Gjerde White Bear Lake
20. Andrew Herbert Woodbury
Others
Dan Fick Forest Lake
Neil Bartholomy Cretin-Derham Hall
Walker Hyland Woodbury
Troy Hesketh Minnetonka
Lucas Whelan Wayzata
Rick Norenberg Maple Grove
Tim Kuzniar Lakeville North
Carl Krieger Tartan

GOALIE
1. Alex Fons Hopkins
2. Jim Kruger Minnetonka
3. Jacob Meyers Benilde-St. Margaret's
4. Ryan O'Shea Eastview
5. Matt Ray Andover
6. Danny Harper Blaine
7. Mike Ness Woodbury
8. Tristan Pennella Stillwater
9. John Ankeny Edina
10. Logan Marks Moorhead
Others
Tommy Burke Academy Of Holy Angels
Ethan Kvidt Roseau
Patrick Moore Woodbury
Rick Cotter Stillwater
Matt Arentz Lakeville North

I originally posted this to show off the goalie list. I still think it is a pretty good list of Junior goalies & players with the exception that the goalie Burke should be rated higher...

[Son of March]

Some guy up in Duluth told me Forbort will go top 10 in this years nhl draft, is he really that good or is this guy nuts?

Forbort's real good but that guys crazy I don't think he's even eligible for this year's draft actually.

Top Juniors (no particular order):
Gardiner-Tonka
Prochno-Tonka
Taft-Edina
Benik-St. Francis
Herbert-Jefferson
Faust-Jefferson
Patterson-BSM
Meyers-BSM
Isackson-STA
Gaede-Woodbury
Hyland-Woodbury
Wolter-WBL
Lovick-Centennial
Alt-CDH
Skalbeck-Hopkins
Fons-Hopkins
Forbort-Duluth East
Connor Reilly-AHA
Fulton-Breck
Schmidt-SC Cathedral
Knochenmus-Roseau
Youso-I Falls

Have you seen Youso play? He's not even the best junior defenseman on his own team. Certainly not one of the best in the state.

[fivehole628]

That's only Class AA from Geocities.

Here is A:

2008-2009 JUNIORS CLASS A

FORWARD

1. Brock Nelson Warroad
2. Christian Isackson St. Thomas Academy
3. Jordan Christianson International Falls
4. Brett Hebel Warroad
5. Tyson Fulton Breck
6. Andy Worzala Sartell-St. Stephen
7. Jesse Nemgar Bemidji
8. Jake Useldinger East Grand Forks
9. Justin Crandall St. Thomas Academy
10. Thomas Williams Alexandria
11. Jordan Palusky St. Cloud Cathedral
12. Morgan Terpstra Crookston
13. Noah Gavin St. Thomas Academy
14. Joncarlo Westerlund Lake Of The Woods
15. Adam Krause Hermantown
16. Mike Morin Breck
17. Cody Christopherson Hermantown
18. Logan Talarico Duluth Denfeld
19. Riley Borer Breck
20. Charlie Adams Mahtomedi
21. Alex Koopmeiners St. Cloud Cathedral
22. Lucas Gervais Fergus Falls
23. Andrew Judnick Virginia/Mountain Iron-Buhl
24. Pat Noesen Red Wing
25. Nate Adams Litchfield/Dassel-Cokato
26. Brandon Zurn Mahtomedi
27. Matt Nahan Sartell-St. Stephen
28. Austin Plaine Sartell-St. Stephen
29. Michael Rutar Sauk Rapids-Rice
30. Tim Kohlmann South St. Paul
Others
Jason Johnson Duluth Denfeld
Josh Mensing Red Wing
Trevor Mikacevich South St. Paul
Bo Putrah Faribault
Matt Lindquist Thief River Falls
Ross Thompson Alexandria
John Noble Providence Academy
Wyatt Wenzel St. Paul Academy
Luke Gerding Spring Lake Park
Nick Eisenmenger Windom Area

DEFENSE

1. Nate Schmidt St. Cloud Cathedral
2. Willie Corrin International Falls
3. Kevin McMorrow Park Rapids
4. Garrett Orhn Greenway
5. Matt Youso International Falls
6. Nick Zierden Sartell-St. Stephen
7. Jordan Krebsbach Virginia/Mountain Iron-Buhl
8. James Trevathan St. Paul Academy
9. Chad Bannor Hermantown
10. Chris Benson Spring Lake Park
11. Jeff Paczynski Hermantown
12. Joe Graveline St. Thomas Academy
13. Dallas Weston Sauk Rapids-Rice
14. Kirby Nelson Alexandria
15. Ben Gilason Breck
16. Brandyn Chezick Rochester Lourdes
17. Matt Campbell Mankato West
18. Mike Mooney Breck
19. Patrick Hurley Duluth Marshall
20. Jacob Malwitz Thief River Falls
Others
Jesse Phenow Richfield
Joseph Welle Bemidji
Derek Kinder Fergus Falls
Nick Keuhl Mound-Westonka
Tanner Botts Mound-Westonka
Nick Murray Faribault
Cam Falvey Blake
David Crowe Breck
Brandon Peabody East Grand Forks
Matt Roth Rochester Loudes
Joe Zeidler Breck
Nick McLain Delano/Rockford

GOALIE

1. Zane Gothberg Thief River Falls
2. Mike Taffe Providence Academy
3. Nick Maiers St. Cloud Cathedral
4. Kurt Altrichter St. Thomas Academy
5. Mike Hart International Falls
6. Max Elstad Duluth Marshall
7. Jacob Turnquist St. Michael-Albertville
8. John Russell Breck
9. John Wrolson Albert Lea
10. Brad Wohlers Mahtomedi
Others
Zak Swenson Hutchinson
Tyler Ampe Hermantown
Brent Orndorf Sartell-St. Stephen

Mclain is one of the top junior defensemen in the state, i'd have him higher than an "other" but thats just me.
And Turnquist from St. Michael is WAY over rated. They played probably 4 "Good" teams this year and the rest were average at best. He's not a top goalie.

[black sheep]

Some guy up in Duluth told me Forbort will go top 10 in this years nhl draft, is he really that good or is this guy nuts?

Forbort's real good but that guys crazy I don't think he's even eligible for this year's draft actually.

Top Juniors (no particular order):
Gardiner-Tonka
Prochno-Tonka
Taft-Edina
Benik-St. Francis
Herbert-Jefferson
Faust-Jefferson
Patterson-BSM
Meyers-BSM
Isackson-STA
Gaede-Woodbury
Hyland-Woodbury
Wolter-WBL
Lovick-Centennial
Alt-CDH
Skalbeck-Hopkins
Fons-Hopkins
Forbort-Duluth East
Connor Reilly-AHA
Fulton-Breck
Schmidt-SC Cathedral
Knochenmus-Roseau
Youso-I Falls

Have you seen Youso play? He's not even the best junior defenseman on his own team. Certainly not one of the best in the state.

I think he might be the best Youso...sometimes the best defensemen play too quietly...good hands...good feet...my guess is UND.

[Bigcat99]

I've only seen Youso play about 3 times in past two seasons, and he looks pretty dang solid to me. Not sure who is a better defender on his team, as no one else stood out when I watched them play.

[EHSHack]

http://www.geocities.com/dent0110/junior2009AA.html
http://www.geocities.com/dent0110/junior2009A.html

You may not agree with the order but posting more just to look at the player list. I always find these kind of fun to look at.

I meant the NHL Rankings that EHSHACK was talking about where Forbert is 3 out of 4 and Lutzka is 1.5

I forget but it was on the forums recently so maybe a couple pages back.
A couple other I remember seeing play are Christian Issacson and Schroeder, not sure if Justin Faulk is a junior?

[GR3343]

http://www.geocities.com/dent0110/junior2009AA.html
http://www.geocities.com/dent0110/junior2009A.html

You may not agree with the order but posting more just to look at the player list. I always find these kind of fun to look at.

I meant the NHL Rankings that EHSHACK was talking about where Forbert is 3 out of 4 and Lutzka is 1.5

I forget but it was on the forums recently so maybe a couple pages back.
A couple other I remember seeing play are Christian Issacson and Schroeder, not sure if Justin Faulk is a junior?

The Forbort ranking as well as Lutzka were USHL rankings from what I saw and were from last spring. There were several other rated Minnesotans also. Bjugstad was listed as a 3, Skrbec and Merritt were listed as a 1.5, Youso was listed as a 1. There were others but I don't remember all of them. There may very well be another ranking but based on the number system you listed, it seems in line with what the USHL had for rankings.

[greyhoundfan]

This class also has some pretty solid goaltenders. Meyers from BSM, Fons from Hopkins who I think is the best, and Kruger from Tonka. Who are some others?

Pretty good list to work off of at the bottom of this list of Juniors. My opinion based on the season is that Burke from AHA should be ranked higher than he is but at least this list includes the right players:

2008-2009 JUNIORS CLASS AA

FORWARD
1. Max Gardiner Minnetonka
2. Caleb Herbert Bloomington Jefferson
3. John Skrbec Grand Rapids
4. Joey Benik St. Francis
5. Brett Patterson Benilde-St. Margaret's
6. Adam Knochenmus Roseau
7. Ryan Wolter White Bear Lake
8. Mike Erickson Eden Prairie
9. Kyle Lutzka Duluth East
10. Jordan Martini Rochester Century
11. Connor Reilly Academy Of Holy Angels
12. Max Gaede Woodbury
13. Cal Decowski Andover
14. Jake Erickson Chaska
15. Ryan Reilly Academy Of Holy Angels
16. Chad Hennum Elk River/Zimmerman
17. Jordan Lovick Centennial
18. Archie Skalbeck Hopkins
19. Chris Fischer Apple Valley
20. Zach Knight Bloomington Jefferson
21. Alec Horton Maple Grove
22. Adam Smyth Burnsville
23. Mike Chacich Eastview
24. Joe Rubbelke St. Paul Johnson
25. Jayce Paulseth Duluth East
26. Charlie Taft Edina
27. Jake McKee Tartan
28. Tyler Dietzler Bloomington Jefferson
29. Tommy Lundquist Minnetonka
30. Wilson Housley Stillwater
Others
James Hughes Centennial
Kevin Erickson Roseau
Brandon Derks Anoka
Andrew Anderson Rosemount
Travis Seurer Lakeville South
Justin Parizek Lakeville South
Mitch Rogge Eden Prairie
Ben Weigand Stillwater
Jesse Perron Cretin-Derham Hall
Josh Gaughan Buffalo
Neil Hultgren Bloomington Kennedy
Eric Bradley Mounds View
Tyler Johnson Robbinsdale Armstrong

DEFENSE
1. Derek Forbort Duluth East
2. Andrew Pitts North Metro
3. Adam Robson Apple Valley
4. Brett Stern Centennial
5. Kyle Kleinendorst Grand Rapids
6. Jeff Pauluk Bloomington Jefferson
7. Mark Alt Cretin-Derham Hall
8. Joe Faust Bloomington Jefferson
9. Sam Windle Osseo
10. Jordan Johnson Hill-Murray
11. Justin Holl Minnetonka
12. Charlie Aus Centennial
13. James Hansen Osseo
14. Andrew Prochno Minnetonka
15. Tony Larson Blaine
16. Chris Casto Hill-Murray
17. Kean Paxton Osseo
18. David Jarrett Edina
19. Casey Gjerde White Bear Lake
20. Andrew Herbert Woodbury
Others
Dan Fick Forest Lake
Neil Bartholomy Cretin-Derham Hall
Walker Hyland Woodbury
Troy Hesketh Minnetonka
Lucas Whelan Wayzata
Rick Norenberg Maple Grove
Tim Kuzniar Lakeville North
Carl Krieger Tartan

GOALIE
1. Alex Fons Hopkins
2. Jim Kruger Minnetonka
3. Jacob Meyers Benilde-St. Margaret's
4. Ryan O'Shea Eastview
5. Matt Ray Andover
6. Danny Harper Blaine
7. Mike Ness Woodbury
8. Tristan Pennella Stillwater
9. John Ankeny Edina
10. Logan Marks Moorhead
Others
Tommy Burke Academy Of Holy Angels
Ethan Kvidt Roseau
Patrick Moore Woodbury
Rick Cotter Stillwater
Matt Arentz Lakeville North

Why is Lutzka above Jayce? Jayce is much better

[boardguy1998]

Why is Lutzka above Jayce? Jayce is much better

Oh there are a lot worse in this list than that, Ryan Reilly should be higher, Dietzler higher, Skalbeck higher, and a bunch a lot lower.

[youngblood08]

Why is Lutzka above Jayce? Jayce is much better

Oh there are a lot worse in this list than that, Ryan Reilly should be higher, Dietzler higher, Skalbeck higher, and a bunch a lot lower.

the only way he gets higher is by standing on his brothers shoulders! Both over-rated.

[boardguy1998]

Why is Lutzka above Jayce? Jayce is much better

Oh there are a lot worse in this list than that, Ryan Reilly should be higher, Dietzler higher, Skalbeck higher, and a bunch a lot lower.

the only way he gets higher is by standing on his brothers shoulders! Both over-rated.

Okay, not going to argue with you on certain guys, my point was this list is not very good. I think 3 or 4 of the top 5 are overrated. Just saying this list if rated, needs to be revised.

[komada77]

Some guy up in Duluth told me Forbort will go top 10 in this years nhl draft, is he really that good or is this guy nuts?

Forbort's real good but that guys crazy I don't think he's even eligible for this year's draft actually.

Top Juniors (no particular order):
Gardiner-Tonka
Prochno-Tonka
Taft-Edina
Benik-St. Francis
Herbert-Jefferson
Faust-Jefferson
Patterson-BSM
Meyers-BSM
Isackson-STA
Gaede-Woodbury
Hyland-Woodbury
Wolter-WBL
Lovick-Centennial
Alt-CDH
Skalbeck-Hopkins
Fons-Hopkins
Forbort-Duluth East
Connor Reilly-AHA
Fulton-Breck
Schmidt-SC Cathedral
Knochenmus-Roseau
Youso-I Falls

you are forgetting Brock Nelson, Brett Hebel? and Corrin from I-Falls And Connor O'Rielly is to small he isnt even a factor in this subject

I unfortunately do not know much about the class A teams way up north, so if I forgot some guys sorry I just threw the players on this list that I have seen play well or have heard good things about, and I don't hear a lot about the northern kids. But have you seen Connor Reilly (not O'Reilly) play?? If you had, you would know he is a major factor despite his size.

[Papa Bergundy]

Forbort's real good but that guys crazy I don't think he's even eligible for this year's draft actually.

Top Juniors (no particular order):
Gardiner-Tonka
Prochno-Tonka
Taft-Edina
Benik-St. Francis
Herbert-Jefferson
Faust-Jefferson
Patterson-BSM
Meyers-BSM
Isackson-STA
Gaede-Woodbury
Hyland-Woodbury
Wolter-WBL
Lovick-Centennial
Alt-CDH
Skalbeck-Hopkins
Fons-Hopkins
Forbort-Duluth East
Connor Reilly-AHA
Fulton-Breck
Schmidt-SC Cathedral
Knochenmus-Roseau
Youso-I Falls

you are forgetting Brock Nelson, Brett Hebel? and Corrin from I-Falls And Connor O'Rielly is to small he isnt even a factor in this subject

I unfortunately do not know much about the class A teams way up north, so if I forgot some guys sorry I just threw the players on this list that I have seen play well or have heard good things about, and I don't hear a lot about the northern kids. But have you seen Connor Reilly (not O'Reilly) play?? If you had, you would know he is a major factor despite his size.

Totally agree. I also think people also automatically assume that the Reilly's are of equal skill because they're twins. IMO, and I've only seen 3 AHA games, Connor is much more of a factor than Ryan. The stat sheet seems to back my opinion. Both good players though, I just think only Connor has earned to be mentioned amongst MN's elite juniors.

[funsize11]

you guys benik is a good player but he isnt one of the best have any of you went and watched st francis their break out is having benik sit at the red line with another forward and have the defense throw the puck up the boards to them...if little falls used this while festler and hanowski played together i will garentee that they would have easely exceeded 400 points that season and benik would not have touched festlers record this year