Adv. 15

rinkrat555 · Post by **rinkrat555** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 4:33 pm

rink rat - How many girls are you talking about

at least 5 and for a fact at least 1 of them made the team.

mnhkylvr · Post by **mnhkylvr** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:15 pm

Who are you referring to?

rinkrat555 · Post by **rinkrat555** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:37 pm

d6, and i don't use names, unless it's a correction to a previous post where a name was mixed up or something like that. what's done is done in picking the teams. good luck to all. i guess I thought the girls were to attend all of the try-outs in order to make the teams. just seems odd it's not the case, that's all.

jcp-18 · Post by **jcp-18** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:40 pm

at least 5 and for a fact at least 1 of them made the team.

Rink Rat - I'm wondering if you contacted D6 and/or MN Hockey and asked for an explanation and, if so, what their response was. It seems to me if they are making the rules, then they should follow them. I have heard this same concern from others who have girls in D6 -- both those whose daughters made the cut and those who didn't. Didn't realize there were so many girls who didn't attend all sessions.

Does anyone know how the games have been going and what the schedule is for this weekend?

pthmnhockey · Post by **pthmnhockey** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:35 pm

The bracket is on the MH website in the player program tab

joehockey · Post by **joehockey** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:46 pm

pthmnhockey wrote:The bracket is on the MH website in the player program tab

Here is link:
http://minnesotahockey.org/assorted/gir ... ackets.pdf

rinkrat555 · Post by **rinkrat555** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:13 pm

jcp-18
this will be my last post about this situation- i have been with hockey for 13 years, both girls and boys. in some cases, and i have heard this before, its not what you know its who you know. i will not blame the system, it is was it is, it will not change. those that get their faces right in there for their kids will open up more opportunities for their kids, even if their kids are not as talented as others. maybe that is/was the case with d6 and these particular try-outs, maybe not. i don't know. i as a parent allow my kids to do it by themselves, but with that, i will give also give them an opportunity for development. and with this develpoment i expect them to do good in school. as far as these many different try-outs that they may be offered- go for it, play hard and do the best you can. but like i said before, it is what it is, and good luck to those who did make whatever team they may make, including the avd. 15's. i will always wish any and every child success in their hockey adventures.

joehockey · Post by **joehockey** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:07 am

http://minnesotahockey.org/assorted/Gir ... osters.pdf

Adv 15 Rosters for Districts 1,2, 3, 4, 5, 6......only those 6 were listed.

Homer · Post by **Homer** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:44 pm

Thanks for the link Joe.

Looking at the rosters, I think maybe there is some validity to the parents' concerns/gripes. Those that I talked to at the Super Series, anyways.
Looking at the D2 roster it is loaded w/ Roseville and White Bear players. Funny the coaching staff is White Bear coaches plus Winny Brodt from Roseville. With the exception of D1, it appears the other Districts went w/ nonparent coaching. (at least I didn't see any names matching). I would think that would be the ultimate goal, it would be the best way to quiet the critics anyways.
Just doing my homework and hoping it works out for my daughter next year.

Also, congratulations to all who get to move on.

joehockey · Post by **joehockey** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:11 pm

Homer as you go forward you will see Winny Brodt everywhere she is a force behind girls hockey and works tirelessly in many Leagues like the Upper Midwest Elite HS Girls Team and across the U17, U16, U15 tryout process as an evaluator or coach. I think Roseville is fortunate to have Brodts involved but she is involved in many many areas and a lot wouldn't happen with out efforts like hers and others. She also coaches the MN JR Whitecaps teams which have had a great track record in helping girls to improve and get a chance to play at the next level.

hockeya1a · Post by **hockeya1a** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:26 pm

joehockey wrote:Homer as you go forward you will see Winny Brodt everywhere she is a force behind girls hockey and works tirelessly in many Leagues like the Upper Midwest Elite HS Girls Team and across the U17, U16, U15 tryout process as an evaluator or coach. I think Roseville is fortunate to have Brodts involved but she is involved in many many areas and a lot wouldn't happen with out efforts like hers and others. She also coaches the MN JR Whitecaps teams which have had a great track record in helping girls to improve and get a chance to play at the next level.

I believe Winny has her heart in the right place, She works hard for Girls hockey and I applaud her for that,
But i can see where Homer is coming from too. it is human nature to take what you are comfortable with and with all of the oppertunities for the girls in that area and to be seen over and over again can't hurt.

mnhkylvr · Post by **mnhkylvr** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 2:08 pm

I believe the one of the coaches for D2 is listed as Chelsey Brodt - Winny's sister. From what I can see the D2 girls roster is packed with talent. My daughter has played both with and against many of them - regular and off season. I am not looking forward to playing against them in the festival which is a testament to their abilities.

hockey77coach · Post by **hockey77coach** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 4:48 pm

Homer,

You bring up good questions about the D2 coaching staff being from WBL & Roseville and a good portion of the girls are also from these areas.

It would be good to mention that Roseville was the #1 rated team in the state and with the talent they have, I'm sure nobody is arguing with who made the team. I think the same goes for WBL.

Three of the four coaches also coached the team last year, including Chelsey Brodt. She, along with her sister, are great for girls hockey!

The D2 team is loaded with talent, just like last year's team. They will be fun to watch, as will all the teams. It's great for the girls to compete against good competition and meet some new friends along the way.

jcp-18 · Post by **jcp-18** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:50 pm

Any scores to report from today??

Homer · Post by **Homer** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 5:44 pm

I didn't want too sound critical of the staff and players. The coaches are volunteering their time, which is great and the players are no doubt talented and working their butts off.
When I started the thread, I was wondering about the process and if it was fair and objective. Or, is it about other things.(i.e. who you know)
I would like to see coaches and evaluators, who aren't parents of players or regular season coaches of kids at that level. A little less affiliation so to speak. Then you would remove some questions about the process, as to it being fair and objective. Thats all you can ask for, take the best players at the tryout and go from there.
I suppose it might be hard to find enough outsiders to come in and evaluate and coach. It is a time committment. Maybe the districts and Minnesota hockey are trying to do just that and not getting enough volunteers. In which case their hands are tied and you have to rely on the people within the district.
Anyways, thanks to the people who did step up when asked and congratulations to the girls chosen. I hope to watch my daughter go through the process next year. Thanks for the info on this thread.

TheSouthSide · Post by **TheSouthSide** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 6:14 pm

Homer, you might want to be careful when talking about Winny Brodt and possible favoritism. Just insinuating the fact publicly is not fair to her. Winny goes out of her way to help all girls and wants to see them all succeed, even if they aren't from Roseville. Like many others have said before me, Winny is the driving force behind women's hockey in Minnesota and we all should be grateful to have her.

If your daughter is good enough to make it she will. If not, its not the end of the world and I'm sure she is still an outstanding player. Let's just refrain from throwing out names, when all it can do is hurt someone that gives so much back to the sport.

Thanks for listening

NotfromMN · Post by **NotfromMN** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 11:19 pm

rinkrat555 wrote:jcp-18
this will be my last post about this situation- i have been with hockey for 13 years, both girls and boys. in some cases, and i have heard this before, its not what you know its who you know. i will not blame the system, it is was it is, it will not change. those that get their faces right in there for their kids will open up more opportunities for their kids, even if their kids are not as talented as others. maybe that is/was the case with d6 and these particular try-outs, maybe not. i don't know. i as a parent allow my kids to do it by themselves, but with that, i will give also give them an opportunity for development. and with this develpoment i expect them to do good in school. as far as these many different try-outs that they may be offered- go for it, play hard and do the best you can. but like i said before, it is what it is, and good luck to those who did make whatever team they may make, including the avd. 15's. i will always wish any and every child success in their hockey adventures.

rinky,
take a look at the scores/results from the weekend and maybe that can answer your question if the tryout process & team selection was legit for the districts you've mentioned. My past experience is those parents who have to "get their faces in there" to open up opportunities for their kids are just trying to satisfy their own fragile egos or live vicariously through their kids. These parents aren't doing their kids any favors not letting them earn things on their own-eventually it will catch up with them. Hang in there, and best wishes for your childs hockey success.

Homer · Post by **Homer** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:55 am

Southside,
Did you read my last post, I wasn't attacking anyone. Thats how I started the post.
My point is, Wouldn't it be better to have her involved with another district? I am not saying anybody is playing favorites, but people who's kids aren't selected are going to use that as an excuse, whether fair or unfair.

Bensonmum · Post by **Bensonmum** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:50 am

Two things:
A. It seems like when picking a group of players like this (this list goes pretty deep, even way too deep for most of the districts) it isn't a bad idea to have people who know virtually every player in the district who is eligible. And are we sure that the coaches were the ones to actually pick the teams? What were the 'tryouts' like?
B. It looks like Winny's name is only mentioned because Chelsea has volunteered to be one of the assistant coaches on the D2 team. I'd bet $100 that neither Chelsea nor Winny had a hand in naming the team (and if they did I would trust them absolutely). Also: Winny spends as much time with D1 and D6 kids during the winter as she does with the Roseville kids--she knows them all. Should that disqualify her from any participation in a program like this?

Melvin44 · Post by **Melvin44** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:17 pm

This is my take. My daughter has skated OS for years and both of us are good friends with Winny. My daughter has been involved in tryouts for teams that Winny judged and didn't make it. That was ok because it made her try even harder. I would only want my daughter to make a team because she deserved it. That being said sometimes borderline kids get left off because of bad luck. My advice Work harder and don't be borderline.

In my opinion Winny is the best judge of talent there is. Absolutely fair and impartial. She has done more for girls hockey than anyone else and has probably created more chances for girls. To question her is idiotic! If you talk with her you'd see she knows her stuff. (even the little things) There is not many who could evaluate better.

She is an amazing player, coach and person! Get to know her and you'd see that.

mnhkylvr · Post by **mnhkylvr** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:44 am

Does anyone know timing for those to be notified that were selected to attend the camp in Mankato? And will the listing be posted?

pthmnhockey · Post by **pthmnhockey** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:53 pm

The list is posted on MH but it is hidden under player programs and the title just says girls advance 15s roster.

Bensonmum · Post by **Bensonmum** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:58 pm

http://minnesotahockey.org/assorted/gir ... Roster.pdf

Hansonbrother · Post by **Hansonbrother** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 9:52 pm

Bensonmum wrote:http://minnesotahockey.org/assorted/gir ... Roster.pdf

Does anyone find it a bit mysterious how Erika Allen, one of Roseville's starting goalie's for the past two seasons, Lead the SEC conference in GAA, Made All Conference, and didn't advance at the U-15's? You have got to be kidding me!

mnhkylvr · Post by **mnhkylvr** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:15 pm

I didn't notice that until reading your post. But you are right. She is solid!!! We just played in a tourny with her (fortunately not against her) and she is a WALL!

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