USHL Future's Draft

hornetsnest · Post by **hornetsnest** » Wed May 13, 2009 11:07 am

FREDFLINTSTONE wrote:
High Flyer wrote:
bafata88 wrote: I am not seeing what you are seeing; he is a nice player, but the "most gifted" 93 in Minnesota; hardly. I can name ten 93s that are as, if not more, gifted.
Skill wise, Reilly is the best! If you had a skills competion with all the 93's in MN, Reilly would win. Now throw in the 92's and 91's, he would probably would win that too!!! Wait a minute, doesn't FHIT do annually on ice/off ice testing that includes a skills elevaluation that all the USHL teams get? Who was number one? If you knew that, then you probably would not say there are 10 players as gifted as Reilly.

Add to his skills, his un-canney "hockey sense" and you have MN most gifted 93. Only other player that has a similar hockey sense is Boyd.

Reilly is the real deal, lets hope he grows so we all an see him play beyond high school hockey.
Remove the Flyer in your name.

Long ago in a far away land, hockey players actually had to compile a few seasons of great success before being annointed into hockey immortality..... I suggest we at least allow kids to graduate from HS! before crowning them.

No Deal Howie!

observer · Post by **observer** » Wed May 13, 2009 11:08 am

I think a couple of things are getting confused in regards to Mike Reilly.

There is no question he has extremely polished hockey skills. I think that is different than naturally athletically gifted. I don't know that you can be 5' 1" and be considered gifted athletically. I think the poster is is suggesting there are several 93 players in Minnesota that are more naturally gifted athletically but may not have developed the hockey skills that Mikey has.

pioneers · Post by **pioneers** » Wed May 13, 2009 11:29 am

High Flyer wrote:
Daulton911 wrote:Question: If I am correct I only counted 11 out of the 65 kids as MN ties? is this correct? and if So, Why is MN not represented as well as I would think it would be? Just seems to me that MN kids the past few years are not the places scouts are searching now adays ???

any input? just curious. thanks
Not as many players from MN are motivated to leave thier high school program and elite league for the USHL. Other areas don't provided the same opportunity, therefore those other players are a little more motivated to leave there high school/midget program.

Why draft from MN who won't leave thier high school program early for possible only 1 year vs. a player you could get for 3 years?

Talent wise, MN is far deeper, compared to other areas.

Kind of sounds like the Elite league is working in it's goal to keep the players in HS.

gomnhky · Post by **gomnhky** » Wed May 13, 2009 12:17 pm

The Futures Draft results may be somewhat reflective of the tradition of MN HS players to stay at home and finish out their HS hockey careers; but it is also probably a better example of how the hockey landscape has changed in recent years. The current number of only 50+ MN players competing in the USHL is probably more of a reflection of how the recruiting and talent landscape has changed. Minnesota may be "deeper" in total numbers of eligible hockey players but the quality of the talent is now being challenged by the development of hockey players from all across the country in various hockey programs. Without a doubt the tournaments that host the various Midget Tier I teams is a recruiting battlefield for the USHL because of the consistent, high level of competition that exists and the overall depth of player talent on these teams. There is no doubt that MN HS players have a desire to play at the USHL level, based on the number of players that participate in the pre-season tryouts; however, it is becoming more obvious that the level of competition to retain a final roster spot on a USHL team is much more challenging than years past and will probably continue to be that way into the future. This is a good thing for hockey overall and should serve as a positive motivator for MN players to continue to work hard and not "rest on its laurels".

Gopher Blog · Post by **Gopher Blog** » Wed May 13, 2009 12:24 pm

High Flyer wrote:I wonder if he would stay and play three years with NTDP? Little different twist now that they are playing in the USHL

Boyd "ages out" of the NTDP after two seasons. He would be ineligible for the international tourneys that they play in. That's the reason guys like Ballard, Fleming, Kristo, etc played in the USHL after playing two seasons in with the NTDP.

High Flyer · Post by **High Flyer** » Wed May 13, 2009 1:13 pm

hornetsnest wrote:
FREDFLINTSTONE wrote:
High Flyer wrote: Skill wise, Reilly is the best! If you had a skills competion with all the 93's in MN, Reilly would win. Now throw in the 92's and 91's, he would probably would win that too!!! Wait a minute, doesn't FHIT do annually on ice/off ice testing that includes a skills elevaluation that all the USHL teams get? Who was number one? If you knew that, then you probably would not say there are 10 players as gifted as Reilly.

Add to his skills, his un-canney "hockey sense" and you have MN most gifted 93. Only other player that has a similar hockey sense is Boyd.

Reilly is the real deal, lets hope he grows so we all an see him play beyond high school hockey.
Remove the Flyer in your name.
Long ago in a far away land, hockey players actually had to compile a few seasons of great success before being annointed into hockey immortality..... I suggest we at least allow kids to graduate from HS! before crowning them.

#1 leading scoring 93 defensemen
#1 leading scoring freshman defensemen (#2 if he was a soph)
#35 overall scoring defensmen, all classes (93, 92, 91 & 90)
Only all conference defensemen in MN who is a freshman

All this already, even though he is only 5' 1" freshman and probably not even shaving yet. Can you say "upside" (no pun intended)?

Doglover · Post by **Doglover** » Wed May 13, 2009 1:18 pm

He must get lots of playing time as a freshman at AHA and have a really proud dad ...

sideways · Post by **sideways** » Wed May 13, 2009 1:31 pm

[quote="gomnhky"]The Futures Draft results may be somewhat reflective of the tradition of MN HS players to stay at home and finish out their HS hockey careers; but it is also probably a better example of how the hockey landscape has changed in recent years. The current number of only 50+ MN players competing in the USHL is probably more of a reflection of how the recruiting and talent landscape has changed. Minnesota may be "deeper" in total numbers of eligible hockey players but the quality of the talent is now being challenged by the development of hockey players from all across the country in various hockey programs. Without a doubt the tournaments that host the various Midget Tier I teams is a recruiting battlefield for the USHL because of the consistent, high level of competition that exists and the overall depth of player talent on these teams. There is no doubt that MN HS players have a desire to play at the USHL level, based on the number of players that participate in the pre-season tryouts; however, it is becoming more obvious that the level of competition to retain a final roster spot on a USHL team is much more challenging than years past and will probably continue to be that way into the future. This is a good thing for hockey overall and should serve as a positive motivator for MN players to continue to work hard and not "rest on its laurels".[/quote]

Do the teams pick these kids without an idea whether they would actually play there? Or, is there a phone call made?

High Flyer · Post by **High Flyer** » Wed May 13, 2009 1:34 pm

observer wrote:I think a couple of things are getting confused in regards to Mike Reilly.

There is no question he has extremely polished hockey skills. I think that is different than naturally athletically gifted. I don't know that you can be 5' 1" and be considered gifted athletically. I think the poster is is suggesting there are several 93 players in Minnesota that are more naturally gifted athletically but may not have developed the hockey skills that Mikey has.

I would agree with your statement as to there is a difference between "naturally athletically gifted" and "hockey skills".

But for the others who you would say "may not have developed thier hockey skills yet", if they don't have them now, there not going to get them. The focus for this age group of kids is developing strength, speed and size, as they are all past the "window of opportunity" to develope those all important hand skills.

Hockey sense is another skill in which some players (Ness, Marshall, Leddy, Boyd, Reilly) have a superior innate natural ability. Hockey sense can be enhanced over time, as some players hockey sense grows and many players hockey sense will not.

As for Reillys phyiscally size, I'm not so worried about it, seeing that he is only a freshman. So far at the high school level, it did not limit his "offensive" effectiveness. I can see that his size was a issue this year in defensive zone, in front of the net or in the corners

The Exiled One · Post by **The Exiled One** » Wed May 13, 2009 2:04 pm

Blake Doering - Blake HS - #20 - Fargo

frozenone · Post by **frozenone** » Wed May 13, 2009 2:07 pm

Let's not get carried away with Reilly's scoring stats. Many players stats would look great playing with Danny Mattson (71 pts).

When you look at his stats (2Gs and 24 assists), Danny assisted on his two goals and was the other player credited with an assist/goal with Reilly 13 times. Playing on the PP helps as well (5pts).

Plus half of his points came in lopsided wins over Northfield (2), Shakopee and Farmington.

FREDFLINTSTONE · Post by **FREDFLINTSTONE** » Wed May 13, 2009 2:31 pm

I just looked at the schedule that Holy Angles played this year. Northfield (2), Farmington(2), Hutchinson(2), Red Wing(2), Shakopee(2), Prior Lake (2)Kennedy (1). A lot of 10+ to 1 scores. Over half of the schedule was against some pretty weak teams. Strength of schedule comes in at tied at #34 with three teams according to mnhockeyrankings.com. I would think that has something to do with being the top scoring 93 player.

mghockey18 · Post by **mghockey18** » Wed May 13, 2009 2:31 pm

M. Reily plays defense. He wasn't always out with Danny.

Mike is an extremely talented player. When he grows he will be something special to watch

ROYALmoose25 · Post by **ROYALmoose25** » Wed May 13, 2009 2:49 pm

Is the draft for the 92's today?

thiscrazygame · Post by **thiscrazygame** » Wed May 13, 2009 2:57 pm

Zane Gothberg #7 today Fargo Force. Fargo would be a great team for him to play for.

High Flyer · Post by **High Flyer** » Wed May 13, 2009 3:05 pm

Fred & frozen one-

Not sure what your point is, but shouldn’t a good player rack up a lot of points vs. weaker teams?

#2 over all leading scoring defensemen, Marshall-46 pts, SOS #37
#3 over all leading scoring defensemen, Schmidt-45 pts, SOS #66

Seems like all good players have some games vs. weak teams where they rack up a lot of points:

M. Reilly 13 pts combined vs. Northfield, Shakopee and Farmington
Leddy 15 pts combined vs. Kennedy, Rosemount and LVN

Talent skilled players are also on the power play, so thanks for supporting my view point.

And most teams have talented forwards on their team who also put up big numbers. But isn't one of the jobs of a defensemen is to get the puck into thier top forwards hands? Does this make Marshall, Schmidt or Leddy in less of a player because they played some weak teams or because they play on a team with a talent forward?

thiscrazygame · Post by **thiscrazygame** » Wed May 13, 2009 3:13 pm

Would someone start a Reilly thread and we can get back to the draft

FREDFLINTSTONE · Post by **FREDFLINTSTONE** » Wed May 13, 2009 3:45 pm

my point being, if over half of your schedule (13 games) is against weak teams, top players should score a ton because your are padding your totals almost every game. I know for a fact you don't get to do that in the Lake, or by putting together a tough schedule with tough filler games such as Edina. How do you compare a '93 on Edina with the toughest schedule to a '93 on Holy Angles with one of the weekest schedules.

High Flyer · Post by **High Flyer** » Wed May 13, 2009 3:54 pm

thiscrazygame-You are correct, thread is about the draft. I just did not like weatherman’s post implying that Reilly’s dad was the only reason he was drafted vs. looking at his talent, developmental stage right now and the likelihood that he will need to play in the USHL for a couple of years before moving on to college. It was a good pick.

Interesting, we could switch the name out and start talking about Welinski or Gaf, yet because their dad does not have ownership in a USHL team, has anyone question those picks? Similar rational by the USHL teams based on upside, potential and likelihood that will need to play in the USHL after high school, because "developmentally", they may not be ready for college hockey after high school. Two more good draft choices and those USHL teams are also doing their homework.

It's too bad that people feel the need to come on here and talk someone down, especially seeing he is already playing at a high level and proving it on the ice. I could see the rational if they have yet to do anything yet.

Fred-Your right too, as it does not matter what you do vs. the weaker teams, its what you do vs. the good teams. There are a lot of good players who can score multiple points vs. weak teams, but there are not a lot of good players who can consistently score a point vs. good teams.

The Exiled One · Post by **The Exiled One** » Wed May 13, 2009 4:05 pm

Zane Gothberg - Thief River Falls - #7 - Fargo
Blake Doering - Blake HS - #20 - Fargo
Max Gaede - Woodbury - #81 - Sioux City
Blake Schammel - Red Wing - #92 - Tri-City
Justin Holl - Minnetonka - #99 - Omaha
Joey Benik - St. Francis - #115 - Indiana
Taylor Wolfe - Eden Prairie - #132 - Des Moines (last player in draft)

gunnerstahl · Post by **gunnerstahl** » Wed May 13, 2009 11:22 pm

The Exiled One wrote:Zane Gothberg - Thief River Falls - #7 - Fargo
Blake Doering - Blake HS - #20 - Fargo
Max Gaede - Woodbury - #81 - Sioux City
Blake Schammel - Red Wing - #92 - Tri-City
Justin Holl - Minnetonka - #99 - Omaha
Joey Benik - St. Francis - #115 - Indiana
Taylor Wolfe - Eden Prairie - #132 - Des Moines (last player in draft)

you missed a lot of them, you may want to take a closer look.

Doglover · Post by **Doglover** » Wed May 13, 2009 11:39 pm

Do the teams pick these kids without an idea whether they would actually play there? Or, is there a phone call made?[/quote]

The USHL teams often contact the top prospects and ask them whether or not they would consider leaving HS their junior or senior year. I think it may be rather obvious from the draft list, the ones that told them they would leave their junior year. Guess the teams will find out if they were being upfront or not. I think I would be rather surprised if some of the early MN draft picks actually do end up leaving HS early.

They could also be banking on them having to play a year of juniors before moving on to D1 schools though but I would think those players might have gone later in the draft.

youngblood08 · Post by **youngblood08** » Thu May 14, 2009 6:32 am

flatontheice wrote:
Daulton911 wrote:Question: If I am correct I only counted 11 out of the 65 kids as MN ties? is this correct? and if So, Why is MN not represented as well as I would think it would be? Just seems to me that MN kids the past few years are not the places scouts are searching now adays ???

any input? just curious. thanks

Because most kids from Minnesota won't leave high school in their senior year and alot of those that did have been bombs.

I believe we have a WINNER!!!!! exactly what was told to my son aftertryouts last summer by one of the coaches with a USHL team.

The Exiled One · Post by **The Exiled One** » Thu May 14, 2009 8:14 am

gunnerstahl wrote:
The Exiled One wrote:Zane Gothberg - Thief River Falls - #7 - Fargo
Blake Doering - Blake HS - #20 - Fargo
Max Gaede - Woodbury - #81 - Sioux City
Blake Schammel - Red Wing - #92 - Tri-City
Justin Holl - Minnetonka - #99 - Omaha
Joey Benik - St. Francis - #115 - Indiana
Taylor Wolfe - Eden Prairie - #132 - Des Moines (last player in draft)
you missed a lot of them, you may want to take a closer look.

These are the results from the Entry Draft. The results from the Future's Draft are on the first page of posts. Whom did I miss?

happymama · Post by **happymama** » Thu May 14, 2009 8:39 am

The Exiled One wrote:
gunnerstahl wrote:
The Exiled One wrote:Zane Gothberg - Thief River Falls - #7 - Fargo
Blake Doering - Blake HS - #20 - Fargo
Max Gaede - Woodbury - #81 - Sioux City
Blake Schammel - Red Wing - #92 - Tri-City
Justin Holl - Minnetonka - #99 - Omaha
Joey Benik - St. Francis - #115 - Indiana
Taylor Wolfe - Eden Prairie - #132 - Des Moines (last player in draft)
you missed a lot of them, you may want to take a closer look.
These are the results from the Entry Draft. The results from the Future's Draft are on the first page of posts. Whom did I miss?

Here are some that I could see...could be more but I think this is the rest.

145 Joe Faust -D -Bloomington Jefferson HS
150 Brock Nelson -F -Warroad HS
162 Jason Clark -F -Shattuck St. Mary's
165 Andrew Prochno -D -Minnetonka HS
172 Caleb Herbert -F -Bloomington Jefferson HS
173 DJ Jones -D -Wayzata HS
177 Garrett Hendrickson -F -Virginia HS
179 Izaak Berglund -D -Little Falls HS
195 James Polk -F -Shattuck St. Mary's
201 Adam Knochenmus -F -Roseau HS
211 Justin Crandall -F -St. Thomas Academy
214 Sam Windle -D -Osseo HS
215 Willie Corrin -D -International Falls HS
221 Adam Wilcox -G -South St. Paul, HS
240 Sam Coatta -F -Minnetonka HS
255 Christian Horn -F -Benilde St. Margarets