2009 - 2010 Bantam A Scores

[sioux]

No Bantam scores to report as we are still playing football and hockey starts Saturday.
I'll keep you posted !!!!

Just starting?

Is your first game over Christmas break?

[hockeyfromrochester]

Rochester: 1
Duluth East: 8

Duluth has speed and size. Strong team.
Rochester has potential, need to work with eachother more and get healthy.

[clutchngrab]

Osseo Maple Grove 4
Prior Lake 2

[Hit the net kid]

Great game tonight in Edina 4-2 hornets hold off a real nice team from E.p Can't wait tell round 2 .

[HockeySLP]

Minnetonka 6
MPLS Park 1

[trippedovertheblueline]

Apple Valley 2
Lakeville South 1

[rangers10]

Eden Prairie 5
Elk River 0

[crossovers8]

From Shattuck's website:

SSM 8 Wayzata 0

SSM 8 Duluth East 2

SSM 12 Duluth East 4

[Maverick1999]

chaska 5 Roseville 2

chaska 6 Mound 2

[muckandgrind]

From Shattuck's website:

SSM 8 Wayzata 0

SSM 8 Duluth East 2

SSM 12 Duluth East 4

That Shattuck (95 Breakaway / Fire) team is just rolling over the best Bantam teams in the state.

[5thgraders]

It is Tier 1 hockey with no 94's on the roster.

Tier 1 hockey development usually produces higher end prospects.....

[O-townClown]

It is Tier 1 hockey with no 94's on the roster.

Tier 1 hockey development usually produces higher end prospects.....

No, it really doesn't. A community like Edina has seen an average of a player drafted out of its youth program going back 40 years \. Register Tier I, play out of state, and then what?

All Tier I does is aggregate better players in one place.

Minnesota has more than a handful of HS players drafted annually. That number is unlikely to be any different under a different developmental model.

Actually, the Shattuck example kinds of illustrates that. Look at how many kids go there and don't get drafted after four years.

[5thgraders]

Wrong

Name me one Mn player who went to the NHL at 18 or 19 in the last 30 years
and please do not mention Housley we all know about him ancient years ago.

[wannagototherink]

Wrong

Name me one Mn player who went to the NHL at 18 or 19 in the last 30 years
and please do not mention Housley we all know about him ancient years ago.

Matt Niskanen was 19 when he first got called up to the Stars wasn't he? If not he wasn't far from it.

[O-townClown]

Wrong

Name me one Mn player who went to the NHL at 18 or 19 in the last 30 years
and please do not mention Housley we all know about him ancient years ago.

Eric Johnson, obviously.

Your argument makes no sense. If you are looking at players that reach the NHL by age 18 or 19 you will find very few Americans. Some Canadians. Some Europeans. Very few Americans.

Most of the US offers "AAA" hockey. Most of the US doesn't get their Americans to the NHL at such a young age. When there are players in the NHL early, it tends to be more a result of accelerated development during the HS years, not playing AAA in Pee Wee or Bantam.

Look at Basil McRae's kid. He's from St. Louis so he played AAA on the Junior Blues as a Bantam. Where is he now? 20 in a few months and still playing Junior hockey in Canada. If AAA were the secret he'd be ahead of his Minnesota peers like Ness and Gardiner.

Jack Johnson and Patrick Kane are Americans that reached the NHL young. Both were on very accelerated paths as teens. I think that's got a lot more to do with things than whether they played AAA at age 10 (Squirts), 12 (Pee Wee), or 14 (Bantam).

Your argument makes no sense to me.

[5thgraders]

That is exactly my point. The Mn USA path is a slow one..

USA National Development is allot different path than Edina. OHL, Whl,Qmjhl is where the majority of the hockey stars come from.

Why ?

[O-townClown]

That is exactly my point. The Mn USA path is a slow one..

USA National Development is allot different path than Edina. OHL, Whl,Qmjhl is where the majority of the hockey stars come from.

Why ?

Okay, you have confused yourself.

On a thread about Bantam scores, you cited a couple Shattuck blowouts as evidence that AAA hockey develops more high-end players. Now you are looking at the difference between Minnesota high school hockey and accelerated options that are available to Canadian parents that have no qualms with parting from their 14 year old boys.

Minnesota high schools have turned out an awful lot of NHL 1st Round picks lately. Gardiner, White, Leddy. Kind of demonstrates that you don't have to leave for Ann Arbor, the USHL, or Canada's major junior. Furthermore, the kids that do take those paths don't reach the NHL by 19 either.

Not making a lot of sense, 5th. Does Minnesota have the optimal developmental model to crank out NHL stars at 18? No. Nobody has argued otherwise. If your goal is to be the next Pat Lafontaine it is necessary to seek better competition. Not at age 13 though, more like 16 or 17...which is obviously not Bantams.

Funny how NHL superstars like Paul Kariya, Zach Parise, and Martin St. Louis become superstars despite being 'held back' by college hockey.

[youngblood08]

How many Canadians, Europeans,or russians have gone right in? Out of those How many DID NOT play in thier countries NDP?

Other areas of the US play AAA because they have to. Ask any of those parents if they would like to come to Minnesota and give the hockey here a try and I bet most would take that offer in a heart beat!

Considering the kids on SSM team didn't grow up across the street from each other I would say you are making a lopsided arguement. Take the best kids from D6 or any other District and they will give SSM a run for thier money.

Hey 5thgrader, go figure out how many players there are in the youth ranks, then compare how many go on to College D1 and D3, then figure out How many NHL spots there are open to all these kids. I like the fact the is some where around 275 Minnesota born kids that came through the MN system playing D1 College Hockey, not even counting D3.

How many kids that play AAA make it even that far? Considering that USNDTP usually has 5-6 kids from Minnesota on each team I would say things here as far as development go are just fine.

[O-townClown]

A few other recent case studies.

Okposo, a Minnesotan, made the NHL by age 19. Of course, his path was not without controversy.

How about Oshie? He could have stayed out west and played AAA Midget or something. Instead, he went to Warroad. No way to sugarcoat it...they play weak competition compared to USHL, NTDP, or WHL teams. He still was drafted in the first round and still made the NHL by age 21.

[keepyourheadup]

Regarding SSM beating up on local bantam teams is it fair to suggest that they have somehow developed this group over the coarse of a month? These kids could flat play when they got there! Of bigger concern to me are those that confuse playing tier I bantam at SSM with eventually playing on the prep team. If you look at the prep rosters over the last few years the vast majority of kids are from out of state..if not out of the country. Many in this group will end up back in high school hockey or have the unfortunate experience of never making the prep team. This team has a couple of extremely talented locals that we'll all know about in the coming years but most will end up somewhere else. For their sake I hope I'm wrong.

[spin-o-rama]

It is Tier 1 hockey with no 94's on the roster.

Tier 1 hockey development usually produces higher end prospects.....

As long as we are off topic.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=502848

[breakout]

A few other recent case studies.

Okposo, a Minnesotan, made the NHL by age 19. Of course, his path was not without controversy.

How about Oshie? He could have stayed out west and played AAA Midget or something. Instead, he went to Warroad. No way to sugarcoat it...they play weak competition compared to USHL, NTDP, or WHL teams. He still was drafted in the first round and still made the NHL by age 21.

Great points, not sure where 5th grader guy is coming from

[Nobodyonya]

Regarding SSM beating up on local bantam teams is it fair to suggest that they have somehow developed this group over the coarse of a month? These kids could flat play when they got there! Of bigger concern to me are those that confuse playing tier I bantam at SSM with eventually playing on the prep team. If you look at the prep rosters over the last few years the vast majority of kids are from out of state..if not out of the country. Many in this group will end up back in high school hockey or have the unfortunate experience of never making the prep team. This team has a couple of extremely talented locals that we'll all know about in the coming years but most will end up somewhere else. For their sake I hope I'm wrong.

Shhhhhh.......Don't tell there parents they think otherwise

[5thgraders]

[quote="breakout"][quote="O-townClown"]A few other recent case studies.

Okposo, a Minnesotan, made the NHL by age 19. Of course, his path was not without controversy.

How about Oshie? He could have stayed out west and played AAA Midget or something. Instead, he went to Warroad. No way to sugarcoat it...they play weak competition compared to USHL, NTDP, or WHL teams. He still was drafted in the first round and still made the NHL by age 21.[/quote]


Great points, not sure where 5th grader guy is coming from [/quote]

It is off topic so I stayed away

But you asked and I will answer There is no 18 or 19 year old Minnesota high school bred players that make it to NHL Housley 25 or 30 years ago. Canada model 3 or 4 every year..

[keepyourheadup]

No doubt canada produces more young nhl'ers than the U.S., just a thought here but what percentage of the very best atheletes in our country even try hockey much less stick with it, like I was once told at a youth tourney in canada "most of our kids try hockey first and if that doesn't work they play basketball" We all love hockey on this forum but the truth is we attract a very limited number of our best atheletes. Chances are some of those true freshman ncaa football and basketball players might have been studs on a hockey rink. This forum is about bantam scores so I'll stop here but the topic is great fodder for another thread.