Messier Helmets.

mnhcp · Post by **mnhcp** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:31 am

CONTACT Mike Liam at Cascade as he's been very good about answering questions about the helmet: 952 933 9625

High Flyer · Post by **High Flyer** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:07 am

gerryodrowski wrote:
blindref wrote:I ref 75-100 games a year and I've never seen a cut from a Messier helmet.
In fact I bought for myself and my younger son.

I do have about 40 stitches in my chin from a lousy Protec mask in high school.

Check how loose the straps are, more than likely they are too loose.
blindref - how can we trust you to pick out injuries when you can't see your hand in front of your face! :)

Maybe we should be talking to his dog???

observer · Post by **observer** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:53 am

CONTACT Mike Liam at Cascade as he's been very good about answering questions about the helmet: 952 933 9625

Only if he can help with the return and exchange for another brand. Thanks for testing your crappy helmet on our kids.

mnhcp · Post by **mnhcp** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:00 am

observer wrote:
CONTACT Mike Liam at Cascade as he's been very good about answering questions about the helmet: 952 933 9625
Only if he can help with the return and exchange for another brand. Thanks for testing your crappy helmet on our kids.

Ask him (which I'm sure he won't) then post his comments. At least that will discourage others and his defense will be right from the source. Could be very informative!

observer · Post by **observer** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:09 am

I will add though, refs, please start calling all hits to the head.

Players, you need to be smart too. Don't try and kill your opponents or one may come and try to kill you.

Coaches, you need to play a role in this too. Please discourage your players from using illegal hits. Again, it could cost you one of your own players as some big dope comes and smokes one of yours.

The reason? The game is beautiful when played correctly.

slapshot445 · Post by **slapshot445** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:03 pm

I read recently that an independent study found that the bauer 9900 helmet offers more protection than the m11, maybe that helmet is the solution people are looking for for this problem

WB6162 · Post by **WB6162** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:23 pm

Enjoy the boarding at the high school level while it lasts. I have heard that next up is banning all boarding in high school hockey. Pushing and open ice checking will be allowed but no slamming players up against the boards. They are learning so much about the real damage of concussions and it won't be pretty of fans of physical hockey in the very near future.

youngblood08 · Post by **youngblood08** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:22 pm

Bandy!!! boys, Bandy is the answer.

JustSaying · Post by **JustSaying** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 2:03 pm

The first game that my son wore his new M11 helmet, he ended up with 10 stitches on his forehead -- above the eyebrow. He has been cut an additional 2 times on the forehead since then; thankfully, none of which required stitches. Another player on his team has also been cut while wearing the helmet. And yes, both helmets were fitted properly. The helmet may help w/ preventing concussions, but it should not cause lacerations to the forehead at the same time. I hope that the manufacturer can resolve this problem with the helmets asap.

Night Train · Post by **Night Train** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:51 pm

Send them the medical bill and the helmet bill. Should be covered, no problem, with their insurance.

thebookmark · Post by **thebookmark** » Sun Jan 09, 2011 5:16 pm

I would rather get a cut to the forehead than another concussion...just saying.

JustSaying · Post by **JustSaying** » Sun Jan 09, 2011 7:29 pm

Hey Bookmark: The point being that my son is now in Junior Hockey and never once has he incurred a concussion (thank God) nor a cut on the forehead from his old helmets (and he wears a cage). I'm "JustSaying" that there is something wrong with the new M11. And by the way, the team is "asked" to wear them. It's not a option to wear an old helmet. When I saw the post on the forum I thought it was my obligation to report that the new M11 helmet has a flaw. It's kinda like Toyota...do you understand what I'm "JustSaying"?

interestedbystander · Post by **interestedbystander** » Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:09 pm

Not to mention that NO helmet can or ever will PREVENT concussions

JustSaying · Post by **JustSaying** » Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:54 pm

Thank you...I totally agree...but the secondary injury should be researched..."JustSaying"!

Marty McSorely · Post by **Marty McSorely** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:03 am

Ok after looking at my son's M11 I would have to say that these cut are compression cuts. I do not see how shell could cause the cut. After attempting to manipulate the helmet shell it appears that there is some flex when compressing from front to rear. If the helmet is snug and the impact hard enough it's possible the cut is a result of the pressure on the forehead area.

I don't believe any helmet can completely prevent a concussion. The manufactures do need to look at way to make their helmets safer. We as parents, coaches and refs should do our part to keep the head contact to a minimum.

observer · Post by **observer** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:31 am

Can you say recall? Out of business because of volume of health claims.

auld_skool · Post by **auld_skool** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:41 pm

gerryodrowski wrote:Lots of misleading information has been communicated about this helmet by its marketers. They have successfully played on the fears of coaches, parents and players. Check this link for some facts....

http://www.concussionproofhelmet.com/

100% Correct

3wildboys · Post by **3wildboys** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:16 pm

We just purchased the new M11 in October and in Dec. he was hit with a puck and it mangled his ear. Please let me know if this has happened to anyone else. Thanks.

mnhockey1708 · Post by **mnhockey1708** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:35 pm

[quote="thebookmark"]I would rather get a cut to the forehead than another concussion...just saying.[/quote]

Recent studies have found that no hockey helmet does anything to prevent concussions. All coaches who got certified this year were given a long talking to on the matter. Notice how the m11 no longer can make any claim about preventing concussions, that's because it has been proven that they do nothing for concussions. All they can do is protect players from linear force impacts, which dont cause concussions. Unless someone can put a helmet around the brain itself, no helmet will limit concussions.

As mentioned earlier the bauer 9900 offers the most protection from liners force impacts, and does not cut players who take shots to the head. I have heard of many teams discussing how their players have been cut from taking a shot to the helmet, all of them occuring on the forehead.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:02 pm

mankato east and west both are wearing these helmets and i can that we have had at least two players cut from them.

drop the puck · Post by **drop the puck** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:36 pm

Seen two cuts on two separate players from two separate teams in two separate games over the past week. Guess I am saying nonrelated games. Both cuts minor, but did take them away from shifts to stop the bleeding.

Never seen this with the other brands.

shakey · Post by **shakey** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:06 pm

Has anyone has complained to the retailer they bought the helmet from? If so, how have they responded?

starmvp · Post by **starmvp** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:09 pm

I have seen plenty of cuts and concussions with this helmet. It's just another helmet......

HMHockey943 · Post by **HMHockey943** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:00 am

Saw a kid in the stillwater vs. Hastings game have to get 12 stitches from his helmet.

observer · Post by **observer** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:06 am

Retailer will take a return. Send medical bills to the company for coverage.

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