Skilz, please note MN Made guy is using sarcasm and his condescending demeanor to let you know that he thinks you and your team, all city hockey for that matter are inconsequential and irrelevant. Please wake him when you have enough money to buy your way into his club. Orange is as Orange does.
well I never!!! Oh wait, yes I did. Come on, it was funny for a moment or two...
MnMade-4-Life wrote:I'm still confused here ... are we sure Johnson/Como has a team or not?! I can't find anything on them since Herb Brooks graduated. Are you sure they are still active?
Yes they do if u would look them up at all and pay attention to the conversation
I know of Como zoo ... are they based out of the park over there?
I still can't find anything relevant about Johnson/Como hockey though in the last 40-50 years.
Wait, I did find something under a search for Como/Johnson ... it led me to a dirty movie about Sparky the Seal. Does he skate for them?
If so, that would be impressive enough to warrant posting a poll.
I must say ...MN Maid... you got me chuckling here... it's dirty pool, but I laughed! Pass the Tang!!!!!
Skilz, please note MN Made guy is using sarcasm and his condescending demeanor to let you know that he thinks you and your team, all city hockey for that matter are inconsequential and irrelevant. Please wake him when you have enough money to buy your way into his club. Orange is as Orange does.
At the risk of sounding like a total... mean guy. City hockey has been a non factor for quite a while. Name the last time you saw a city team in the state tournament.... Last I remember was whenever Stalock brought one of the St paul teams. The sad thing is this is not the kids' fault, they are a product of communities that lack the ability to grow in size. Communities like St paul, Minneapolis, even some of the closer suburbs, simply do not have the ability to grow. EP, ER, Woodbury, Chaska are examples of the exact opposite. These communities draw new familes, and have the ability to grow in size.
Skillz11 wrote:
Wat he said and they just formed this year sooo
Skilz, please note MN Made guy is using sarcasm and his condescending demeanor to let you know that he thinks you and your team, all city hockey for that matter are inconsequential and irrelevant. Please wake him when you have enough money to buy your way into his club. Orange is as Orange does.
At the risk of sounding like a total... mean guy. City hockey has been a non factor for quite a while. Name the last time you saw a city team in the state tournament.... Last I remember was whenever Stalock brought one of the St paul teams. The sad thing is this is not the kids' fault, they are a product of communities that lack the ability to grow in size. Communities like St paul, Minneapolis, even some of the closer suburbs, simply do not have the ability to grow. EP, ER, Woodbury, Chaska are examples of the exact opposite. These communities draw new familes, and have the ability to grow in size.
Just my opinion...
Soooooo.....what does that mean? They should be ignored? Aren't worthy of discussion?
Last time I saw a "City Team" in a State tournament? Mpls Park A Bantam last year. Highland Central the year before.
Skillz11 wrote:
Wat he said and they just formed this year sooo
Skilz, please note MN Made guy is using sarcasm and his condescending demeanor to let you know that he thinks you and your team, all city hockey for that matter are inconsequential and irrelevant. Please wake him when you have enough money to buy your way into his club. Orange is as Orange does.
At the risk of sounding like a total... mean guy. City hockey has been a non factor for quite a while. Name the last time you saw a city team in the state tournament.... Last I remember was whenever Stalock brought one of the St paul teams. The sad thing is this is not the kids' fault, they are a product of communities that lack the ability to grow in size. Communities like St paul, Minneapolis, even some of the closer suburbs, simply do not have the ability to grow. EP, ER, Woodbury, Chaska are examples of the exact opposite. These communities draw new familes, and have the ability to grow in size.
Just my opinion...
I was thinking more along the lines of troglodyte then mean guy. the team your referring to above is South St Paul, they are more of a first ring suburb than part of the city. A city team has not been relevant at the HS level in these 13 year olds lifetime, but I know in St Paul that Johnson, Como, Highland have fed a number of top players to other High Schools. Small numbers for the most part but a good dedicated group of kids. Phalen Rec might be the best spot for outdoor pickup in the metro.
It is not growth killing city hockey it is participation rates, hockey is getting more expensive and has never been able to break though to involve a decent percentage of the non-white population. You guys should get out of the suburbs more often, some good non chain restaurants, bars, museums, places to walk, places to skate, things to do,... The real question is how fun youth hockey will be when all that is left is Wayzata, EP, Edina, and Tonka?
If some kid wants to come on here after his Bantam B team has a couple nice weeks on the ice and crow about it, fine, bust his chops a bit if you want but you dont need to go over the top on him ("a dirty movie about sparky" really) at least we know that MN Made does have a family filter on the wifi. The rules of pond hockey have always been that you let the younger guys carry the puck once and awhile....
Minneapolis Youth Hockey Association is approximately the same size as Minnetonka Youth Association. The Bantam A team is currently ranked 8th in the State. There are now 4 bantam teams, 6 PeeWee teams, 7 Squirt teams, 12 girls teams and 20 mite teams.
Muck is a little off as it was two years ago when 4 teams of Minneapolis kids went to Bantam A&B State and PeeWee A&B State as part of the Minneapolis-Park co-op. Players on that particular Bantam A team are playing on 6 different MSHSL varsity teams and are among the top players on each. The PeeWee A team finished 3rd in the state tournament 2 years ago losing a tight one with Edina in the 3rd place game. Several members of that PeeWee team are now members of the St. Louis Park Bantam A team currently ranked 8th.
Outstanding organization with strong leadership, growth, players and teams.
Again, that was my opinion, and isn't MPLS Park now a coop program? Which I think is great for youth hockey. I just wish they would continue the same coops into HS. I am not here to bash city teams, or their close suburbs,I was simply saying that they are not like they used to be.
I think that the non growth in these communities contibutes to the lack of participation, and numbers. It is certainly not the only factor, but from what I can see, IMO, is a major one.
Hypothetically, If I grew up in SSP, when I get to be an adult with a family, which is more likely? I buy an old(but possibly beautiful) house in SSP. Or build a brand new one, designed to my liking, in EP, ER, Wayzata, etc, where I know there hockey numbers AND coaching are strong. Which would you choose? Not everyone will choose the way of the burbs, but more people will go that way, then staying in the community they grew up in... it's just a fact.
I agree that if the hockey world turned into Edina, Wayzata, EP, etc, it would be boring.
Lastly,
"outstanding organization with strong leadership, growth, players and teams."
But what happens to the kids when they get to high school... My point, is you can have the greatest youth coaches in the world, but if you don't keep the kids around through HS, something is failing along the way. I look at it like a business, you work so hard to recruit and train good hard working kids(employees). But if you cannot keep them (retention), what have you really accomplished? I will add in, that I do understand some of these coops are not recognized by the MSHSL... Which I disagree with.
Little King wrote:
But what happens to the kids when they get to high school... My point, is you can have the greatest youth coaches in the world, but if you don't keep the kids around through HS, something is failing along the way. I look at it like a business, you work so hard to recruit and train good hard working kids(employees). But if you cannot keep them (retention), what have you really accomplished? I will add in, that I do understand some of these coops are not recognized by the MSHSL... Which I disagree with.
Bash away....
Every family situation is different...but to claim that the majority of the talented hockey players in Mpls/St Paul go to private high schools SOLEY for hockey, is looking at this issue a little too simplistically.
Truth be told, many of these "inner city" players attend private schools from kingergarten on up because of, what many consider, the sub par education they would receive at the city schools....so it would be no stretch to see them also move on to a private high schools like BSM, CDH, Breck, AHA, etc. in the 9th grade. It doesn't matter HOW good the youth programs are at developing this players, many are destined to attend private schools no matter what....which is why you don't see many of the inner city high schools competing at a high level.
Demographics, more than anything else, has created the current state of HS hockey in the inner cities....and I don't see that changing any time soon, unfortunately.
That being said, there are still a few quality players sticking around. Johnson seems to put together a HS team that competes year in and year out....just not deep enough to compete with the big dogs.
Little King wrote:
But what happens to the kids when they get to high school... My point, is you can have the greatest youth coaches in the world, but if you don't keep the kids around through HS, something is failing along the way. I look at it like a business, you work so hard to recruit and train good hard working kids(employees). But if you cannot keep them (retention), what have you really accomplished? I will add in, that I do understand some of these coops are not recognized by the MSHSL... Which I disagree with.
Bash away....
Every family situation is different...but to claim that the majority of the talented hockey players in Mpls/St Paul go to private high schools SOLEY for hockey, is looking at this issue a little too simplistically.
Truth be told, many of these "inner city" players attend private schools from kingergarten on up because of, what many consider, the sub par education they would receive at the city schools....so it would be no stretch to see them also move on to a private high schools like BSM, CDH, Breck, AHA, etc. in the 9th grade. It doesn't matter HOW good the youth programs are at developing this players, many are destined to attend private schools no matter what....which is why you don't see many of the inner city high schools competing at a high level.
Demographics, more than anything else, has created the current state of HS hockey in the inner cities....and I don't see that changing any time soon, unfortunately.
That being said, there are still a few quality players sticking around. Johnson seems to put together a HS team that competes year in and year out....just not deep enough to compete with the big dogs.
Agreed. I wasn't trying to say they are all going private, even though many are. I was just saying it would be nice to see coop programs carried through HS. Wishful thinking I know.
Sure this association might not be worldbeaters but back 20 years ago neither were all the outer ring teams. I applaud this association for giving kids in the city a chance to play organized hockey. Just from looking at the district 8 website at bantams Johnson/Como only field a "B" team and are somewhat competitive, In pee wee's both teams "A" & "B" are last. At least they have an "A" team. Cottage Grove tired of being at the bottom of district 8 only have a "B" pee wee team and they are competitive, Hudson left district 8 and Highland/Central chose to go to district 2 because they didn't want to get beat up like Johnson/Como has. Keep making fun of the bottom teams and maybe district 8 and others won't have enough teams to participate. Again good luck to Johnson/Como keep fighting the fight for city kids.
I still havent heard what you guys think about their team that much i mean are they dicussion worthy? Or should they just be disregarded as a team that couldn't do anything if they tried. What are your thoughts?
Come on, it was funny for a moment or two...