MNM JMH wrote:
As for how many org kids played with the black teams this year. It all depends on what tourny and what kids are playing from the b lack team. I know first hand that 4 kids played in all but 1 tourny. The 4 kids that did play also got way more ice time then any other black player.
So like i said you are wrong they should not call them a team they should be called trophy crashers...
So, what you are claiming is that 02 Black constantly had four players from orange fill in and had much more ice time than the black kids....
So, in essence, what you are stating is that if the black team had four full time orange players fill in for every tournament that the 02 black team shouldn't be considered a hockey team but rather "trophy crashers"?
Spot on... Your getting this rather quick... Slow down and take alook sometimes... Or it will pass you up..?
MNM JMH wrote:
So, in essence, what you are stating is that if the black team had four full time orange players fill in for every tournament that the 02 black team shouldn't be considered a hockey team but rather "trophy crashers"?
Spot on... Your getting this rather quick... Slow down and take alook sometimes... Or it will pass you up..?
So, wouldn't it be safe to say that if a team that has players fill in isn't a team at all and that the 02 Blades shouldn't be listed as a top five team considering they have players come in from other states that are not their "normal" players. Based on your logic one could argue then that the 02 blades are also "trophy crashers" and not deserving a spot on the top five list.
Also according to your logic the Euro America team has had fill-ins play on their team as well and thus should not be considered a team either by your definition, which would leave the 02 Machine Orange ranked #1 since the Blades and Euro America has been disqualified by your logic.
Bardapony wrote:
Spot on... Your getting this rather quick... Slow down and take alook sometimes... Or it will pass you up..?
So, wouldn't it be safe to say that if a team that has players fill in isn't a team at all and that the 02 Blades shouldn't be listed as a top five team considering they have players come in from other states that are not their "normal" players. Based on your logic one could argue then that the 02 blades are also "trophy crashers" and not deserving a spot on the top
Also according to your logic the Euro America team has had fill-ins play on their team as well and thus should not be considered a team either by your definition, which would leave the 02 Machine Orange ranked #1 since the Blades and Euro America has been disqualified by your logic.
Black always had the same 12-13 players in every tourney and only had 2-3 Orange guys fill in. They got the same amount of ice time as the rest. Everyone plays in every situation. The team did not lose a game. They beat Euro and outplayed them in every facet that game, Beat Miracle handily without their A game, and beat Legacy three times by more than 7 goals each time...so having them not in top three shows how inane these rankings really are. Calling them not a team is a disservice to the coaches, kids and parents. They are a heck of a group, so it is ludicrous to call them trophy chasers, when the team is about development through and through.
Also, the Orange beat Euro 4 out of 5 times and the time they lost, half the team had the flu.
The unfortunate thing about ranking 10 yr. olds, is not taking anything into account of how the kids are developing as individuals, instead of just focusing on wins and losses. The Machine is the best development program around.
Spehar33 wrote:Black always had the same 12-13 players in every tourney and only had 2-3 Orange guys fill in. They got the same amount of ice time as the rest. Everyone plays in every situation. The team did not lose a game. They beat Euro and outplayed them in every facet that game, Beat Miracle handily without their A game, and beat Legacy three times by more than 7 goals each time...so having them not in top three shows how inane these rankings really are. Calling them not a team is a disservice to the coaches, kids and parents. They are a heck of a group, so it is ludicrous to call them trophy chasers, when the team is about development through and through.
Also, the Orange beat Euro 4 out of 5 times and the time they lost, half the team had the flu.
The unfortunate thing about ranking 10 yr. olds, is not taking anything into account of how the kids are developing as individuals, instead of just focusing on wins and losses. The Machine is the best development program around.
Hence my question, why is the 02 Black not listed? They had a great year of development and games. Like you pointed out they beat 3 of those 5 teams, some in more than one occasion.
It is really an insult to the coaches and players. Reading these boards I get the impression there is bias against the machine teams which is unfortunate because it is one of the better programs in the state if not the region.
Final Rankings for 01s. Shouldn’t the team be ranked highest because they won the last tournament\game of the season (Caribou Cup)? Is it not the MN AAA hockey SuperBowl? If that is the case, the Sweet Hockey team should be #1 or should it be the team that scored more overall points in the Caribou and looked good? Machine #1. If we should consider a larger tournament such as Winnipeg, the Blades and Machine 01s had equal records, but a put together team (LSS, NWings, Legacy and other metro players) playing the tournament as the North American Stars beat the Machine in the Championship of the middle pool and should be ranked ahead of them. The Blades however made it to the top pool. So it should be #1 Blades, #2 North American Stars #3 Sweet Hockey #4 Machine. But wait, North American Stars is not a team even though they signed up and played as a team, so let’s remove them from the list. If we remove the North American Stars, but consider who the players play for, then we should we consider the LSS, Legacy, NWings all in front of the Machine team. Final Rankings for 01’s - #1 Blades, #2 Sweet Hockey, #3 LSS, #4 NWings, #5 Legacy, #6 Machine. What about Miracle, Euro, Edge and MBlack? I’m sure they beat some of these teams too. Is it who beat who, what tourney, who was on the team at the time of the wins or what? Ah, let’s just call the Machine #1 and forget about this nonsense.
Final Rankings for 01s. Shouldn’t the team be ranked highest because they won the last tournament\game of the season (Caribou Cup)? Is it not the MN AAA hockey SuperBowl? If that is the case, the Sweet Hockey team should be #1 or should it be the team that scored more overall points in the Caribou and looked good? Machine #1. If we should consider a larger tournament such as Winnipeg, the Blades and Machine 01s had equal records, but a put together team (LSS, NWings, Legacy and other metro players) playing the tournament as the North American Stars beat the Machine in the Championship of the middle pool and should be ranked ahead of them. The Blades however made it to the top pool. So it should be #1 Blades, #2 North American Stars #3 Sweet Hockey #4 Machine. But wait, North American Stars is not a team even though they signed up and played as a team, so let’s remove them from the list. If we remove the North American Stars, but consider who the players play for, then we should we consider the LSS, Legacy, NWings all in front of the Machine team. Final Rankings for 01’s - #1 Blades, #2 Sweet Hockey, #3 LSS, #4 NWings, #5 Legacy, #6 Machine. What about Miracle, Euro, Edge and MBlack? I’m sure they beat some of these teams too. Is it who beat who, what tourney, who was on the team at the time of the wins or what? Ah, let’s just call the Machine #1 and forget about this nonsense.
chumby wrote:Final Rankings for 01s. Shouldn’t the team be ranked highest because they won the last tournament\game of the season (Caribou Cup)? Is it not the MN AAA hockey SuperBowl? If that is the case, the Sweet Hockey team should be #1 or should it be the team that scored more overall points in the Caribou and looked good? Machine #1. If we should consider a larger tournament such as Winnipeg, the Blades and Machine 01s had equal records, but a put together team (LSS, NWings, Legacy and other metro players) playing the tournament as the North American Stars beat the Machine in the Championship of the middle pool and should be ranked ahead of them. The Blades however made it to the top pool. So it should be #1 Blades, #2 North American Stars #3 Sweet Hockey #4 Machine. But wait, North American Stars is not a team even though they signed up and played as a team, so let’s remove them from the list. If we remove the North American Stars, but consider who the players play for, then we should we consider the LSS, Legacy, NWings all in front of the Machine team. Final Rankings for 01’s - #1 Blades, #2 Sweet Hockey, #3 LSS, #4 NWings, #5 Legacy, #6 Machine. What about Miracle, Euro, Edge and MBlack? I’m sure they beat some of these teams too. Is it who beat who, what tourney, who was on the team at the time of the wins or what? Ah, let’s just call the Machine #1 and forget about this nonsense.
Not a team if you have 4-6 kids from Org come to play in tournys.
From what I understand 02 Machine Black had 13 unique players on the team at the beginning of the year and finished with 14 unique players at the end of the year.
Were there Orange players who filled in? From what I understand, Yes, but I fail to see how that states that they are not a real team by having 2 kids fill in from the Org team as you put it.
The only kids who score and play most of the game are the orange kids, so yes they are not a team more of a showcase for orange kids. In Duluth in August they had 18 or 19 on the bench. orange kids played every other shift till they got ahead by 4 or 5 goals
Spehar33 wrote:Black always had the same 12-13 players in every tourney and only had 2-3 Orange guys fill in. They got the same amount of ice time as the rest. Everyone plays in every situation. The team did not lose a game. They beat Euro and outplayed them in every facet that game, Beat Miracle handily without their A game, and beat Legacy three times by more than 7 goals each time...so having them not in top three shows how inane these rankings really are. Calling them not a team is a disservice to the coaches, kids and parents. They are a heck of a group, so it is ludicrous to call them trophy chasers, when the team is about development through and through.
Also, the Orange beat Euro 4 out of 5 times and the time they lost, half the team had the flu.
The unfortunate thing about ranking 10 yr. olds, is not taking anything into account of how the kids are developing as individuals, instead of just focusing on wins and losses. The Machine is the best development program around.
Hence my question, why is the 02 Black not listed? They had a great year of development and games. Like you pointed out they beat 3 of those 5 teams, some in more than one occasion.
It is really an insult to the coaches and players. Reading these boards I get the impression there is bias against the machine teams which is unfortunate because it is one of the better programs in the state if not the region.
come on 2 to 3 only give me a break the goalies are orange and I have never seem less than 4 orange skaters at a time
