Elite League 2013

clean ice · Post by **clean ice** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:07 pm

Roo's moved to there grandparents house in Brooklyn Park at least Carter did. What a joke ... They leave Coon Rapids now Totino Grace . Watch out BSM here comes big Jim papa knows best.

Post by **karl(east)** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:08 pm

OU812 wrote:Newbie question: Why does team Great Plains list 24 skaters (including 15 forwards), when all the other elite league teams seem to have just the standard twelve forwards and six D men?

I'm not entirely sure, but they've done this in the past as well, and only dress the normal 18 skaters for their games. I'd guess it has something to do with travel schedules, since they're bringing in players from such a huge area.

minnscout · Post by **minnscout** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:16 pm

Surprised not to see Jungles or Kaske picked

observer · Post by **observer** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:46 pm

Why would you assume that he would have to play JV?

Cuz that's the rule. But, the Benilde AD has already shown he's unethical

minnscout,

Wonder where any late additions will come from?

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:08 pm

Marty McSorely wrote:A lot of good players south of 494 not given a chance. Hastings, Red Wing, Farmington, Rochester and Dodge County each have a nice group of kids that participated in the HP program.

They should just call it the Metro Elite league... it's a private business. Why BS people about what it really is?

The "elite" league has lost a lot of credit with many scouts the last couple of years.

It's a shame that it has..

OU812 · Post by **OU812** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:09 pm

karl(east) wrote:
OU812 wrote:Newbie question: Why does team Great Plains list 24 skaters (including 15 forwards), when all the other elite league teams seem to have just the standard twelve forwards and six D men?
I'm not entirely sure, but they've done this in the past as well, and only dress the normal 18 skaters for their games. I'd guess it has something to do with travel schedules, since they're bringing in players from such a huge area.

Makes sense. Thanks Karl.

Bluewhitefan · Post by **Bluewhitefan** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:28 am

observer wrote:
Cuz that's the rule. But, the Benilde AD has already shown he's unethical

I'm in complete agreement that it's slimey, but it's common knowledge that there are ways around the MSHSL eligibility rules. If they've changed residences, their in. Another family did the same thing last year - moved about two miles and poof, both kids are BSM varsity players.

SuperStar · Post by **SuperStar** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:21 am

Goalies:

http://www.hselitehockey.com/news_artic ... r_id=44822

minnscout · Post by **minnscout** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:56 am

Observer,

You need to take your emotions out of the thought process when you say that AD is unethical. It is the same thing when you go to court or file lawsuit, you can have the strongest case and ask numerouse people what they think and even though everyone agrees the court of law says something else.

Let the kids play where they want, maybe the family had a disagreement with the other school or who knows what, but the kid (Roo) is going private to private so who cares.

C-dad · Post by **C-dad** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:57 am

Bluewhitefan wrote:
observer wrote:
Cuz that's the rule. But, the Benilde AD has already shown he's unethical

I'm in complete agreement that it's slimey, but it's common knowledge that there are ways around the MSHSL eligibility rules. If they've changed residences, their in. Another family did the same thing last year - moved about two miles and poof, both kids are BSM varsity players.

At least they really moved. Whole family is in the new house now. Others play the game in other ways without really moving...

observer · Post by **observer** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:07 am

minnscout,

Good ethical behavior requires all parties follow the rules and do the right thing. The rule says players are free to enroll as a 9th graders. Your comparison isn't a good one. The Benilde AD has shown he bends the rules to favor good hockey players at the expense of other players already at the school paying full tuition. Multiple parties (Player families, coaches and school administrators) are involved in the unethical behavior at Benilde. Getting away with unethical behavior doesn't make it right. Turning your cheek and not calling them out is almost as bad.

Shinbone_News · Post by **Shinbone_News** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:35 pm

Don't feel strongly one way or the other about transfer rules. It's obvious that there are ways around 'em that people take advantage of all the time. But as long as we're talking about the Brothers Roo -- I will say they're great players who haven't really gotten the respect they might have at a 6AA program. Players like these guys are often dismissed for being big fish in a small pond, even when they step up like TJ did in Elite League last couple of years and other all-star settings.

Happened to see him play during Aberdeen's training camp last week, he was the best player on the ice by a couple of strides. Have no idea whether he'll be rostered there next year, but I thought to myself they must be very happy indeed that the USHL overlooked this kid.

I know less about Carter, but maybe the move to BSM will get him the juniors and college scouting respect his brother never got during high school --even though TG won't have to beat STA to get to the X this year.

Nuts&Bolts · Post by **Nuts&Bolts** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:53 pm

No Hammer from East Ridge but the HM part timer makes an "Elite" roster after a half a varsity season. And Driscoll can't make the SE roster? Good humor and the political process at its best. The delay in posting goalies was needed for some wheeling and dealing.

Shinbone_News · Post by **Shinbone_News** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:37 pm

Nuts&Bolts wrote:No Hammer from East Ridge but the HM part timer makes an "Elite" roster after a half a varsity season. And Driscoll can't make the SE roster? Good humor and the political process at its best. The delay in posting goalies was needed for some wheeling and dealing.

Uh, not arguing the point (politics etc.) but I don't think it's a matter of "making" any particular roster for any player or goalie. Driscoll made the league. Geographic designations mean little or nothing, other than maybe how far anyone has to drive for the occasional practice. They also spread the STA and BSM wealth around the whole league. Maybe Great Plains and North correspond more to geography. Metro rosters interchangeable.

As for goalies, pretty much the top suspects, i.e. Ahrens, Perry, Driscoll, Sheperd, Lindgren. 50/50 senior goalies tend to get screwed by the UMHSEL, if history is any guide.

I'm a little surprised not to see Holy Family's Lacombe or Edina's Rohkol in the mix. Both had star turns last year at various points in the season. Maybe they're fishing or playing baseball instead. One could certainly argue that both have faced tougher opponents (and practices) than the guys who are in, but there you go. Maybe not tougher than Ahrens (who also had a nice Elite League record last year.)

hshockeyfan8 · Post by **hshockeyfan8** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:44 pm

Heard today that one of the goalies will no be playing high school hockey this season. Don't want to name any names as I don't know how credible my source is, but I am shocked to say the least. Can anyone confirm this?

394 West · Post by **394 West** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:20 pm

observer wrote:minnscout,

Good ethical behavior requires all parties follow the rules and do the right thing. The rule says players are free to enroll as a 9th graders. Your comparison isn't a good one. The Benilde AD has shown he bends the rules to favor good hockey players at the expense of other players already at the school paying full tuition. Multiple parties (Player families, coaches and school administrators) are involved in the unethical behavior at Benilde. Getting away with unethical behavior doesn't make it right. Turning your cheek and not calling them out is almost as bad.

Observer, you sound like you know something first hand. If so spill it if not stop your speculation and BS. There is no conspiracy going on.

394 West · Post by **394 West** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:32 pm

Bluewhitefan wrote:
observer wrote:
Cuz that's the rule. But, the Benilde AD has already shown he's unethical

I'm in complete agreement that it's slimey, but it's common knowledge that there are ways around the MSHSL eligibility rules. If they've changed residences, their in. Another family did the same thing last year - moved about two miles and poof, both kids are BSM varsity players.

Slimey like C Thie moving from Hopkins to Mtka and poof there he is a varsity starter? Or others going from Hopkins to Zata. This list, could go on and on get over it. If people choose to go thru the brain damage to move they can and it's fully within the rules.

Nuts&Bolts · Post by **Nuts&Bolts** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:25 am

Shinny, I agree being picked for a roster (can't say make a roster or EARN a roster spot) is the key point with "elite" but seeing the way it worked the last 5 years at least, the kids not in there home region are the ones getting placed outside after a coach has filled a roster. This is where more of the horse trading takes place. I would have thought Driscoll was a thoroughbred to make his home team and play with his classmate neighbor instead of being the donkey. Evaluators must not have seen or heard of the sectional and state tourney games. And will a kid from East Ridge ever get picked for the SE roster or was the true freshman that racked up points for the full season not worthy? Compared to other select east metro picks the answer seems obvious.

Nuts&Bolts · Post by **Nuts&Bolts** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:33 am

And it seems the move and getting 2 kids in one household placed on varsity is more slimey with BSM as it involved the AD and coach making the deal where the Thie deal involved just the AD.

minnscout · Post by **minnscout** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:36 am

Observer,

Like I said take your emotions out and follow the rules. If the player transfers to Benilde and they are not eligible than they play JV until they are (Kaske), but it player is eligible under the rules they play varsity (Roo). Calling out an AD by following the rules is BS and you subject to your matter just speculation.

observer · Post by **observer** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:49 am

minnscout,

You keep asking about my emotions. What would that have to do with Benilde following the rules and being a shining light for fairness and ethical behavior? Don't confuse the issues. You're wrong and you know it. The school, administrators, coaches, players and any success they have are tarnished and everyone knows it. Period.

Tigers33 · Post by **Tigers33** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:58 am

What is the story involving the ad and coach from benilde? I am out of the loop on the details with this one.

SWPrez · Post by **SWPrez** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:31 am

This all falls back to the high school league transfer rule. I see the rule as something that is not necessary, kills opportunity for late bloomers, and gives coaches leverage over kids. Players shouldn't be the property of any high school. If they want to leave for better academics, hockey opportunity, etc. they should be free to do that with no restrictions. Every year it seems these arguments come up about who is transferring where and if it skirts some sort of rule with the state. Is it fair that a family that divorces gets a free pass on transfer? Is it fair that a family that owns two houses gets a free pass by changing their home address? While a kid that may want to just have an opportunity to play somewhere is shut out?

I think the high school league should toss the whole rule out...or, change the rule to you get one free pass to transfer between 9th and 12th grades, after that, you sit out for a year. No additional homestead or divorce exceptions.

BP · Post by BP » Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:15 am

SWPrez wrote:This all falls back to the high school league transfer rule. I see the rule as something that is not necessary, kills opportunity for late bloomers, and gives coaches leverage over kids. Players shouldn't be the property of any high school. If they want to leave for better academics, hockey opportunity, etc. they should be free to do that with no restrictions. Every year it seems these arguments come up about who is transferring where and if it skirts some sort of rule with the state. Is it fair that a family that divorces gets a free pass on transfer? Is it fair that a family that owns two houses gets a free pass by changing their home address? While a kid that may want to just have an opportunity to play somewhere is shut out?

I think the high school league should toss the whole rule out...or, change the rule to you get one free pass to transfer between 9th and 12th grades, after that, you sit out for a year. No additional homestead or divorce exceptions.

Well stated. I've always said, what about the kid that goes to Edina or Hill, etc, gets cut and just wants to play Varsity Hockey and not Junior Gold? There are a lot of kids out there that want to do that. He/she should be allowed to transfer and not have to move, etc to play.

keepyourheadup · Post by **keepyourheadup** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:54 am

No easy answer here, I guess if a kid gets bumped at a private I'm a little less concerned but still.....no one ever talks about the kid who doesn't have the ability or desire to transfer, losing his opportunity to play in high school because players suddenly show up at his school and through no fault of his own is left on the outside looking in. Its pretty obvious that if a family wants to get around the MSHSL they can. I think this entire situation is rooted in player advancement and showcasing kids in an environment that maximizes their chances of being seen. There are a great number of examples of kids that stayed put and did just fine and likely many more that are convinced that lack of exposure killed their careers.

Player movement is now trickling down in to youth hockey so there is no reason to expect this issue to go away, I see it as the first step on the inevitable course to AAA/club hockey and the end of high school hockey as we know it. Its easy and fun to romanticize about the way many of us remember high school hockey but the reality is that the good old days are gone and we are transitioning to a new normal.