Ryan Edquist to Gophers

Lazy Scout · Post by **Lazy Scout** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 7:38 am

Gopher Blog-

Let me try in layman's terms to have you understand my point.
First, I have never said in any of my posts that playing on Shattuck U16 team is bad or that you are not talented player if playing U16.. In fact, the normal path for a talented Shattuck player is Bantams-U16-Prep.

Secondly, the four players that you mentioned are all very talented. I will not argue with that. None of these four players had D1 commits prior to entering U16. Greenway is still looking at options as he heads to Ann Arbor, McCoshen played Shattuck bantams in 2009-10, 2010-11 played 42 games in the USHL for Waterloo, 2012-13 spent a third season in Waterloo while committing to BC in the fall of his third USHL season.
Cammarata played Shattuck bantams in 09-10, 2010-11 played U16 and 2011-12 played in the USHL for Waterloo where he committed to the gophers.

Did any of these players have a D1 after playing bantams? Please let me know of a player that has. All I am saying is that these two D1 commits should be good enough to go right to prep. There are players on prep that do not have D1 commits. You said it best, and I will repeat it " Lindgren is arguably the best defensemen in the country among the 1998s. If not the best, certainly among the top two or three." That quote alone should put him right on the prep team. I've never faulted a kid for playing for Shattuck, where did I state that?? If Lindgren played Minnesota high school hockey as a freshman I am sure he would have made an impact, but we will never know for sure.

As for Peterson, you have a pretty faulty logic, Lucia passed on the two best 95 forwards in the state, Hurley and Peterson. You are assuming all the current gophers will stay all four years. I guess Nanne will start in 2014 vs a player like Peterson who is 6'2 and 200 lbs.

As for being a gopher fan, I did my undergraduate at U of M, law school at U of W, live in Mn and it is much easier driving 30 minutes to a gopher games that 4 hours to a badger game, soI guess I can be on either bandwagon if I want.I haven't lost a case in trial yet.

Tigers33 · Post by **Tigers33** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:54 am

Who was the last forward from Grand Rapids that played for the u of m? I think he was about 6'2" 200. Correct? Maybe don learned his lesson

I am going to guess with don and guentzel both from Grand Rapids that they know what they are doing by not bringing in Avery Peterson.

It's not always about the best it's about the right mixture of kids. I think the u of m is finally figuring that out. Sometimes "the best" don't work out so well.

You seemed to skip over my point about the badgers and their success they've had.

Lazy Scout · Post by **Lazy Scout** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:06 am

Tigers33 wrote:Lazy scout would be the same person that thinks the gophers should get EVERY Minnesotan that is good. So maybe the gophers should go to a 50 man roster. Just have 12 skaters per class and we'll rotate through so they all get a chance to play.

You are ripping the gophers and you are admitting you are a badger fan. When was the last time they were good? People think Lucia should be fired...how has eaves kept his job? Arguably just as good recruiting classes.

The last I checked Wisconsin has won 6 NCAA championships with the last one in 2006. Minnesota has won 5 NCAA championships with the last one in 2003. So, by championship standards it looks like the last time they were good was more recent than the gophers.

Gopher Blog · Post by **Gopher Blog** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:25 am

Lazy Scout wrote:Gopher Blog-

Let me try in layman's terms to have you understand my point.
First, I have never said in any of my posts that playing on Shattuck U16 team is bad or that you are not talented player if playing U16.. In fact, the normal path for a talented Shattuck player is Bantams-U16-Prep.

So basically your point is you agree with me. Check.

Did any of these players have a D1 after playing bantams?

You do realize that just because those guys didn't commit at 15 doesn't mean they didn't have the option, right? A lot of the very top kids don't immediately commit and take their time on a decision. For instance, Cammarata had offers long before he ever made a decision. Another example is Phil Kessel. Kessel was the clear cut top recruit in the country for his age at the time and he could have committed anywhere he wanted a few years before he made a decision. But he waited until about halfway through his senior year. Point being is some players make fast decisions, some don't.

If a guy like MacKinnon (who was being hyped as potentially being the next Crosby and a likely high first round pick back when he was at Shattuck) somehow has to play for the U16 team as a 10th grader, I don't think it is an insult to Lindgren if he has to do that as well. As I said, it is a year to year thing based on prep team needs. Maybe he will end up on the prep team next season. But if he isn't, history has shown that doesn't mean he isn't a top notch player. If an eventual #1 overall NHL pick had to do the same thing at the same age, you are standing on pretty shaky logic to say it is a bad sign.

As for Peterson, you have a pretty faulty logic... You are assuming all the current gophers will stay all four years.

As I explained, right now they are scheduled to have 14 returning veteran forwards next year and you can really only sell a kid based on what you definitively know right now. Yes, some kids may be flexible on when they enter college. If Peterson was OK with possibly waiting until 2015, it is one thing. But if he is wanting to play college in 2014 (since that is when he is going to start at UNO) and has immediate offers elsewhere at some solid/good programs to do so, it is a pretty tough sell to say to him, "Hey... we have a slight chance a kid may leave early and open a spot for you. What do you think?"

They have 18 scholarships to work with for a roster of roughly 26 players. They are not going to get every player from MN that you probably think they should. This isn't fantasy football.

Tigers33 · Post by **Tigers33** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:25 am

Ok last 12 years...

Gophers 2 national championships and 4 mcnaughton cups
Wisconsin 1 national championship

Keep talking!!

Gopher Blog · Post by **Gopher Blog** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:32 am

Tigers33 wrote:Ok last 12 years...

Gophers 2 national championships and 4 mcnaughton cups
Wisconsin 1 national championship

Keep talking!!

Don't forget 3 WCHA playoff championships for MN to 1 for UW.

Lazy Scout · Post by **Lazy Scout** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:11 am

Maybe players get many offers at age 15 and don't act on them. I am specifically talking about the two we know of that did, no one else! I would expect to see those two players if on U16 to be dominating the team then. I'm not going to argue my point anymore, you obviously don't get it!

In the end, what matters most is NCAA national championships and Wis has more. Its like winning the Schwan's cup vs. winning the state high school tournament.

I am specifically talking about the MN players that have already been recruited, not all the mn players that should be recruited! I never said anywhere that a roster should be 50 with all MN kids. Show me where I said that. Will see what Rem Pitlick does at 5'3 130 lbs as a junior this year. Only time will tell what team ends up being the better talent and what coach ends up with the better recruiting. Only time will tell.

JDUBBS1280 · Post by **JDUBBS1280** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:45 am

Lazy Scout wrote:Lindgren has been labeled by more than a few people as a generational talent. Kids like he, Gersich, and Joey Anderson are heavily sought after and tend to get offers earlier. Kudos to Don for getting a commitment from a kid who will likely have a big impact.

Player System Rating Rules

Traditional Realistic Potential Rating (1-10)
(a player's realistic potential ability):

10. Generational Talent - a player for the ages, one who can do things with a puck that no other player would even contemplate doing. Very, very few players will be deserving of this rating, probably one per decade.

Defense: Bobby Orr
Forward: Wayne Gretzky
Goaltender: Patrick Roy

You really think Lindgren is a "generational talent"?? Whose the popcorn box now who doesn't know the game? I can't believe you just compared a bantam player to a generational talent, just maybe if you were talking about Connor McDavid you would have an argument.

Read my post again, I've heard others label him as a generational talent. Personally, I like waiting to see how kids develop before labeling them anything. I don't however feel as though Lindgren developing into that caliber of player is out of the realm of possibilities. I am certainly not on board with those who feel his commitment came too early. And I am most definitely not in the camp that thinks Mike Eaves hasn't had his fair share of recruiting misses.

And Lucia didn't "pass" on Hurley, he chose Notre Dame.

JDUBBS1280 · Post by **JDUBBS1280** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:17 am

Lazy Scout wrote:
Tigers33 wrote:Lazy scout would be the same person that thinks the gophers should get EVERY Minnesotan that is good. So maybe the gophers should go to a 50 man roster. Just have 12 skaters per class and we'll rotate through so they all get a chance to play.

You are ripping the gophers and you are admitting you are a badger fan. When was the last time they were good? People think Lucia should be fired...how has eaves kept his job? Arguably just as good recruiting classes.

The last I checked Wisconsin has won 6 NCAA championships with the last one in 2006. Minnesota has won 5 NCAA championships with the last one in 2003. So, by championship standards it looks like the last time they were good was more recent than the gophers.

Love it when fans of programs with lesser history try and act like hockey wasn't played before the NCAA came into existence. Not to mention the fact that you're conveniently ignoring the fact that the amount of conference hardware Eaves has collected pales in comparison to what Lucia has earned.

Also, pretty aparent by your need to pretend to be a Gopher fan that you're not so secure in your convictions.

Say, when you attend your next game in Madison, please let your fellow fans know that when your team has a delayed penalty called on them and the opposing team's goaltender leaves the ice for an extra attacker, your team can't get the puck and score. Also, while you might want to reconsider chanting "sieve" after an empty net goal, you should certainly revisit the habit of doing it after your own goaltender is scored on.

Or keep doing these things. It's fun to laugh at

Lazy Scout wrote:I am specifically talking about the two we know of that did, no one else!

So, you admit that you're cherry picking facts to try and support your faulty premise?

Lazy Scout · Post by **Lazy Scout** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:35 pm

I never said Lucia isn't a good coach did I? I questioned two of his early decisions. Why did Gersich and Hurley then choose not to play for Lucia?

I will make sure to look for you in the stands when Boesser skates circles around Pitlick in a few years.

JDUBBS1280 · Post by **JDUBBS1280** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:52 pm

Lazy Scout wrote:I never said Lucia isn't a good coach did I? I questioned two of his early decisions. Why did Gersich and Hurley then choose not to play for Lucia?

I'm not Connor Hurley or Shane Gersich, so I won't answer for them, but what I've heard is that Gersich preferred the small school atmosphere of UND and Hurley (and parents) liked the educational aspect of Notre Dame.

The Gophers were amongst the finalists (for a lack of a better term) for both, and it came down to those types of factors. Many good coaches in college hockey. The fact that a kid didn't chose a particular school isn't always an indictment on the coaching.

Lazy Scout wrote:I will make sure to look for you in the stands when Boesser skates circles around Pitlick in a few years.

Haha.... Yeah, because Boeser's strong suit and the biggest knock on Pitlick is their skating.

Lazy Scout · Post by **Lazy Scout** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 1:11 pm

Oh, one more thing, your "generational talented" player only had 2 pts. in national camp. Boesser led the 16's in New York and Pitlick, where was he? Oh yeah, he didn't make national camp.

JDUBBS1280 · Post by **JDUBBS1280** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 1:13 pm

Lazy Scout wrote:Oh, one more thing, your "generational talented" player only had 2 pts. in national camp. Boesser led the 16's in New York.

So, now we're making straight-up point comparisons between forwards and defenders? This is getting more laughable by the minute

BTW - Congrats on being "that guy" that uses a congratulatory thread on what is a big achievement for a kid to vent your insecurities. Classy of you!

Lazy Scout · Post by **Lazy Scout** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 1:30 pm

Would you feel better if I started a new thread titled " Lucia's early commits?"

Explain to me how questioning 2/3 recruits is having my own insecurities?

Like I said, I will look for you wearing the popcorn box in the stands in a few years.

End of conversation!

GoldenBear · Post by **GoldenBear** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 1:33 pm

This is funny, keep it going guys! How about a congrats to a kid who achieved something pretty special, a chance to play D1 Hockey. GB

JDUBBS1280 · Post by **JDUBBS1280** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 1:33 pm

Lazy Scout wrote:Would you feel better if I started a new thread titled " Lucia's early commits?"

Explain to me how questioning 2/3 recruits is having my own insecurities?

Like I said, I will look for you wearing the popcorn box in the stands in a few years.

End of conversation!

How's that 2014 forward group looking for Eaves?

Quite content where I'm at.

JDUBBS1280 · Post by **JDUBBS1280** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 1:46 pm

GoldenBear wrote:This is funny, keep it going guys! How about a congrats to a kid who achieved something pretty special, a chance to play D1 Hockey. GB

Exactly!

keepyourheadup · Post by **keepyourheadup** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:49 pm

WOW, ripping recruits on both sides of the fence..and exactly why is this a good thing?

No school gets the all the kids they want, ND was foaming at the mouth to land Letteri and missed. Every school in the country wanted Jake Guentzel and he ends up at UNO.

Then we hear about who was or wasn't or did or didn't do whatever at the U16 national camp. How could it be that the second leading scorer in the USHL last year didn't even make it through the first level of local tryouts as a 16. Trying to compare kids at 15 or 16 years old is just plain nuts, some will develop , some won't.

I agree with the idea of congratulating all these kids on the hard work its taken to get a commitment from any D1 program.

WAY TO GO GUYS!

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:10 pm

Never question anything in front of someone with their Gopher Blinders on.

C-dad · Post by **C-dad** » Fri Aug 30, 2013 7:32 am

MrBoDangles wrote:Never question anything in front of someone with their Gopher Blinders on.

Never disagree with a Lucia hater or you'll be accused of being an apologist (and facts DON'T matter).

WarmUpTheBus · Post by **WarmUpTheBus** » Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:06 am

Lazy Scout wrote:Gopher Blog-

Let me try in layman's terms to have you understand my point.
First, I have never said in any of my posts that playing on Shattuck U16 team is bad or that you are not talented player if playing U16.. In fact, the normal path for a talented Shattuck player is Bantams-U16-Prep.

Secondly, the four players that you mentioned are all very talented. I will not argue with that. None of these four players had D1 commits prior to entering U16. Greenway is still looking at options as he heads to Ann Arbor, McCoshen played Shattuck bantams in 2009-10, 2010-11 played 42 games in the USHL for Waterloo, 2012-13 spent a third season in Waterloo while committing to BC in the fall of his third USHL season.
Cammarata played Shattuck bantams in 09-10, 2010-11 played U16 and 2011-12 played in the USHL for Waterloo where he committed to the gophers.

Did any of these players have a D1 after playing bantams? Please let me know of a player that has. All I am saying is that these two D1 commits should be good enough to go right to prep. There are players on prep that do not have D1 commits. You said it best, and I will repeat it " Lindgren is arguably the best defensemen in the country among the 1998s. If not the best, certainly among the top two or three." That quote alone should put him right on the prep team. I've never faulted a kid for playing for Shattuck, where did I state that?? If Lindgren played Minnesota high school hockey as a freshman I am sure he would have made an impact, but we will never know for sure.

As for Peterson, you have a pretty faulty logic, Lucia passed on the two best 95 forwards in the state, Hurley and Peterson. You are assuming all the current gophers will stay all four years. I guess Nanne will start in 2014 vs a player like Peterson who is 6'2 and 200 lbs.

As for being a gopher fan, I did my undergraduate at U of M, law school at U of W, live in Mn and it is much easier driving 30 minutes to a gopher games that 4 hours to a badger game, soI guess I can be on either bandwagon if I want.I haven't lost a case in trial yet.

Just speculating here but is it possible that the Shattuck tries to keep kids close to their own grade level if possible do to the fact that these teams travel extensively and I assume take tutors with to help with school work. Maybe it's easier if they are at the same grade level and ciriculum.

Slap Shot · Post by **Slap Shot** » Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:56 pm

Lazy Scout wrote:I never said Lucia isn't a good coach did I? I questioned two of his early decisions.

So two early decisions calls his entire recruiting history into question and makes you become a Becky fan? I doubt you were ever a Gophers fan to begin with, which doesn't mean you can't ever find fault with the program btw.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:45 pm

Lucia is the greatest

The players the Gopherd recruit are the greatest..

It's just that their accomplishments haven't been the greatest...

You guys buy in and make some "great" fans though....

Slap Shot · Post by **Slap Shot** » Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:17 pm

Macia! Marcia! Marcia!

mulefarm · Post by **mulefarm** » Sat Aug 31, 2013 9:09 am

Guentzel from Grand Rapids? Come on!!