Lets Play Hockey Article- Anders Lee and his Development

Sats81 · Post by **Sats81** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 6:08 pm

goldy313 wrote:I was waiting until Sats pulled how great the Poehlings are into this......

Yeah, and I'm still waiting for your rebuttal from almost 2 months ago from when you opened your big mouth with a bunch of BS that you clearly knew zero about....Interesting with how quickly you went into silent mode on that topic goldfish.

Sats81 · Post by **Sats81** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 6:09 pm

green4 wrote:
Sats81 wrote:
green4 wrote: Plenty of kids that are just "good" and get scholarships for D1 hockey, look at the poehling brothers
But, no you are right, he is better than good, I was just simplifying it for you after you struggled with that one post. Anders was a great hockey player in high school, but he worked very hard to become elite. You made him sound like an athletic freak, 1 in a million person. But he plays with Leddy who he lost the Mr. Hockey to, is he a 1 in a million too? How about Brock Nelson?
Of course Anders is talented and atheltic, but if you watch the way he plays, he does not rely on his athleticism but rather utilizes hard work and determination.
If you look at the statistics of all kids who "try" and play hockey, or play growing up, it is EXTREMELY rare for anyone to play D1 or beyond. Leddy and Brock Nelson are very elite hockey players. Anyone who argues that is crazy. No one is denying that Anders Lee doesn't play with hard work and determination. When you get to the level of the NHL EVERYONE is talented. EVERYONE is hard working and determined. While his game is centered more around being a power forward guy who is going to make his living in front of the net, anyone who knows anything about the game will tell you to even be the "guy who is a power forward in the NHL" has to have a excellent athletic skillset to begin with. He's playing with the best players in the world. No matter how hard you work or how much sweat you put into it, you simply wont make it to that level without having great genetics to start with.
I agree with all of this, they are all unique and great talents.
What I was arguing was the literal phrase that you used "1 in a million"
I can take some blame for that, as I am a very literal person, but you have 3 one in a million players on one team coming from a state of only 5 million. You throw in the rest of the current and past NHL players who are alive and taken from the population demographic, we are looking at like 100 1 in a million people.
That was my latest point, over exaggeration.

Fair enough. My point being is that it is extremely rare and much more difficult than your average person perceives on getting to that level.

stromboli · Post by **stromboli** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 6:10 pm

If I had to bet on a team to "upset" Edina, I'd pick a team that's given up the fewest goals in AA. Defense wins championships right?

It's been an impressive year for teams like LN,,, and Bemidji,,, and WBL to have given up fewer than 40 goals all season.

Speaks very well of an entire team when you can limit opponents like that for a whole season.

Sats81 · Post by **Sats81** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 6:11 pm

keepyourheadup wrote:Just one guys opinion but I'm not convinced that a kid needs to concentrate solely on one sport in order to to achieve his goal of being a professional. I think its more about a system that is now in place to accelerate kids to their maximum potential as young as possible.

As stated in an earlier thread the vast majority of kids that make the NHL are supremely gifted athletes, as hard as the average kid tries or as much as he concentrates on just one sport it does very little to close the gap between himself and the gifted kid. The rub is that by playing 10 months a year, it allows too many kids to believe they have what it takes because they've developed a particular skill while the gifted kid has spread his time and ability on multiple sport/skill development. I guess my point is:

Kid X has a genetic ceiling that will preclude him from ever being a truly elite athlete. He can actually convince himself that there is a chance by racing to a lead much like the tortoise and the Hare.

Kid Y, by virtue of a good given gift, can wait till he's 17 or 18 to pick a sport and still catch up and far surpass kid X.

Sid Crosby, Patrick Kane....sure they played all the time but THEY are Kid Y. I'm sure either one could have played 3 sports in HS and then picked hockey and by the time they were 28-29 years old they would be pretty much the same player either way. I believe they would have maximized their potential either way.

Now if you're talking about making it to D1 in college I'd think you could make a pretty compelling argument that concentrating early will indeed give you the head start you need over the competition. How could it not help when we now have bantams being offered scholarships.

Excellent post. Agree with all that you say. Not to mention, if anyone is qualified to make this statement, it is you my friend

mulefarm · Post by **mulefarm** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 6:24 pm

I must be bad at math, but I don't see how he could only play 4 months of hockey. Youth teams usually start in Sept-Oct and play until Feb-March. The Elite league starts in Sept and runs until the HS season starts, and for Lee it ended in early March. Some how as I counted, it always come up more than 4.

goldy313 · Post by **goldy313** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 6:34 pm

Why would I rebut? I had my say, I stand by it Tim.

Sats81 · Post by **Sats81** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:32 pm

goldy313 wrote:Why would I rebut? I had my say, I stand by it Tim.

The beauty of being anonymous on the internet serves you well.

imlisteningtothefnsong · Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:39 pm

Sats81 wrote:
goldy313 wrote:Why would I rebut? I had my say, I stand by it Tim.
The beauty of being anonymous on the internet serves you well.

Be careful Goldie!! He means it and I've seen it, you hit one and you better be ready to fight all 6!!!!!

hammer99 · Post by **hammer99** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 10:25 pm

Lee benefited greatly from the amount of time he spent away from the rink as a youth. One of those kids that never really lost his passion for the game or got burnt out post-high-school like so many of the year round players do now a days.

57special · Post by **57special** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 8:20 am

Kids now are playing hockey year round from the age of 6, if not earlier.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:17 am

Lee was a little stud at St. Francis before he moved to Edina.. Would have been interesting with him and Benik on a line in High School.

You could tell he was destined at a young age.

InigoMontoya · Post by **InigoMontoya** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:39 am

In reading it through once, I missed the mention of only playing hockey 4 months a year. Nice article about a gifted kid that works hard. However, I think it is laughable to use this article as an example of hanging up your skates in March and picking them up again in November will have you playing in the state championship game.

Just Checking · Post by **Just Checking** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 2:28 pm

Sats81 wrote:
old goalie85 wrote:I think Budish played football as well. Who was the third player on that line ?
Budish did. All-State LB, believe he tore his ACL his Sr year also prior to hockey season, thus missing entire sr yr of hockey...another reason we see less and less 3 sport or even 2 sport athletes that are high end hockey players too....(Nick and Jack Poehling and Jack Sadek were 3 of the best football players in their grade but made a decision in 8th/9th grade that they were committing their lives to playing hockey, and although they would have been great HS football players, the risk of being injured playing football was just too high)..

Marshall Everson was 3rd player on Lee Budish line....

This is my favorite part. LOL, Wow! Really Sats, committing their lives?

I am worried about you Sats, you are going off the rails, all over the place.

And Before you go to the "you and other worthless human beings making themselves feel better by bringing a bunch of hard working kids down" card. I am officially stating I am not making fun of them. I am making fun of you, and your ridiculous behavior.

I wonder if by the time i have taken to write, read another thread, pull this back up, edit, spell-check and preview this, about 10 min, you have already insulted me.

Sats81 · Post by **Sats81** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:38 pm

Just Checking wrote:
Sats81 wrote:
old goalie85 wrote:I think Budish played football as well. Who was the third player on that line ?
Budish did. All-State LB, believe he tore his ACL his Sr year also prior to hockey season, thus missing entire sr yr of hockey...another reason we see less and less 3 sport or even 2 sport athletes that are high end hockey players too....(Nick and Jack Poehling and Jack Sadek were 3 of the best football players in their grade but made a decision in 8th/9th grade that they were committing their lives to playing hockey, and although they would have been great HS football players, the risk of being injured playing football was just too high)..

Marshall Everson was 3rd player on Lee Budish line....
This is my favorite part. LOL, Wow! Really Sats, committing their lives?

I am worried about you Sats, you are going off the rails, all over the place.

And Before you go to the "you and other worthless human beings making themselves feel better by bringing a bunch of hard working kids down" card. I am officially stating I am not making fun of them. I am making fun of you, and your ridiculous behavior.

I wonder if by the time i have taken to write, read another thread, pull this back up, edit, spell-check and preview this, about 10 min, you have already insulted me.

How else would you phrase it when a kid who at 14 decides this is their sport and plays nearly 365 days a year (because of their love of the game and nothing else)? I would say that decision to "commit their lives" to hockey has worked out pretty well for them as all 3 of those mentioned have D1 scholarships and 2 of the 3 have appeared on central scouting's draft list.

Only you would edit, spell check and preview what you have written on HS hockey forum.

Sorry my phrase I used to describe their dedication didn't fit what you perceive as reality.

Ogie · Post by **Ogie** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 5:35 pm

Thought I was going to read a thread about Anders Lee....I snapped him up early for my fantasy teams and hit the jackpot.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled thread derail.

WestMetro · Post by **WestMetro** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:05 pm

Golden bear Pass the popcorn. Interestingly enough the only wild game I went to this year was the Islanders

GoldenBear · Post by **GoldenBear** » Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:21 am

WMetro, all out of popcorn two days ago, but still enjoying the show. Now working on the Mike and Ike's and hoping for a sequal coming to a forum near you. "AAA hockey or going to cabin with family"