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Hockeyfanatic23 · Post by **Hockeyfanatic23** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:33 pm

Preseason ranking. 1. Cloquet 2. Elk River 3. East 4. Grand Rapids 5. Brainerd 6. Cambridge 7. Forest Lake 8. Andover 9. St. Francis This section has some top notch goaltenders in Ellingson, Leis, Goldsmith, and Schwartz. Should be intersting to see. Looking at paper it seems that no team sticks out a whole lot from the pack. I wouldnt be suprised to see a low ranked team knock out a higher ranked team come playoff time. Did White go to Ann Arbor or is he still in Grand Rapids?

EREmpireStrikesBack · Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:41 pm

Haha, Cloquet <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"> The REAL Rankings: 1. Elk River 2. Grand Rapids 3. Duluth East 4. Cloquet 5. Brainerd 6. Cambridge 7. Andover 8. Forest Lake 9. St. Francis <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> Elk River AA State Champions- 2001 Boys & 2004 Girls

elmnhockeyscout · Post by **elmnhockeyscout** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:31 am

erempirestrikesback, or whatever your name is... you obviously don't no much about the section if you're not picking cloquet as one of the top two teams... your rankings are incorrect..

CloquetHockey · Post by **CloquetHockey** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:14 am

I actually agree more with ER than HockeyFanatic. I'm sorry but I don't think Cloquet is the TOP team, they are good, but not that good. Much Love -Cloquet

gr19 · Post by **gr19** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 10:05 am

CEC will be a formidable opponent when the playoffs come around. Right now who can really say who will be good? Most teams have reason for optimism. In GR, Patrick White returns as one of the top forwards in the nation. GR has a strong core of defensemen. It's the goaltending that is the major Q for every team, except CEC. Without a solid goalie you can't go to state. Some of you need to remeber that Mitch Ryan was a senior last season. That is a huge hole to fill! No one can say they are a top team without him until they prove it on the ice. My rankings: 1. East 2. Elk River 3. Cloquet 4. Grand Rapids 5. Forest Lake 6. Brainerd the rest don't matter ofcourse.

MKMB · Post by **MKMB** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 10:19 am

This is how i see it: 1.Elk River 2.Duluth East 3.Grand Rapids 4.Cloquet 5.Brainerd 6.Cambridge 7.Forest Lake 8.Andover 9.St. Francis Edited by: <A HREF=http://p100.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... mb>MKMB</A> at: 10/12/05 10:20 am

W900 · Post by **W900** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 5:47 pm

Predictions for the season: Elk River - Best Coach will win championships. Cloquet - Hard to replace Ryan..The team has heart. East - They could win it all even w/o Heores. Grand Rapids - Team is the answer. GR19 must bank in GW! Enough said there. We can scare off anytime GR19. Brainerd - They need a team to do it. The rest dont matter.

gr19 · Post by **gr19** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:39 pm

blah, blah, blah. The word team doesn't mean as much as talent. If you don't have talent, you can still have a group of kids that get along well and work hard, but if the only win 2 games did "team" matter. Now there are many a braindead moron that will assume I am saying "team" doesn't matter. I'm saying it's slightly overrated. East win it all w/o heroes? I think Rob Johnson was the horse for that team last season, even though he didn't score in OT vs. CEC, the kid had an unparalleled determination. Elk River wins because they have a tough coach and a large pool of players to select from, which equals high levels of talent. The thing I'm getting at with goalie, is Rapids would have had a much better season in 04 with more consistent play at that position. I think from the sounds of it they will have some healthy competition for the starting varsity spot. Should be interesting.

W900 · Post by **W900** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 4:01 am

I agree talent is very important, However by the time you get to the HS level team work is more important because if you where not talented you would not make the team. Kinda a riddle eh! You'll figure it out GR you seem like a pretty sharp guy. What was Rapids save % the last couple years? That in it self will make or break your squad. Also when you look at East they pretty much come at you with 4 lines and just ware you down and it doesnt matter if you have one or two heros you can not beat them. It should be a good season to watch. I remember when I played my last season for WI-Eau Claire in 99/00 we had a average team but a great goalie - 94% save and it made all the difference.

elmnhockeyscout · Post by **elmnhockeyscout** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 7:34 am

Ya, i agree that hard work builds team... you can have a team with talent that doesn't work hard and they will not go anywhere at the end of the season... hard work wins over talent alone..

EREmpireStrikesBack · Post by **EREmpireStrikesBack** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 7:58 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>hard work wins over talent alone<hr></blockquote> Whoah! Mark it down!!!<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"> elementaryhockeyscout actually said something worthwhile and correct. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> Elk River AA State Champions- 2001 Boys & 2004 Girls

W900 · Post by **W900** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:03 am

Empire, I sure like your Elks. Who is coming back this season?

EREmpireStrikesBack · Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:25 am

For forwards: Andrew Malzahn, Brett Peterson, Jake Koehler, Tony Rogers & Tony Cloud are the big ones D: Chris Slavik, Brandon Martell, Evan Balcom & I think DJ Foss is playing D Goalie is the big ? mark, Seibert did pretty good in his limited time last year. Being able to handle the pressure and playing good game in and game out will be the main thing. I'm not too worried about the goalie situation because Sars runs a good system that can take a lot of pressure off of him. Seeing how the O steps up will be another big thing. Losing Ostroot & Scatterelli is big. The biggest loss IMO was Godlewski. He played nearly entire games last year, it will be interesting to see who steps up and fills that ice time. I think ER can easily compete in 7AA (no disrespect to the other teams, this seems like a bit of an off year for most of them). <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> Elk River AA State Champions- 2001 Boys & 2004 Girls

mnhockey39 · Post by **mnhockey39** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:25 pm

ESBack/HockeyFanatic23 1. Elk River (most over all talent, one very determined Coach, and Siebert must play well). 1. Duluth East (Good Coach, good talent, however not deep and Leis must play well) 2. Cloquet (good TEAM and Ellingson must play well) 2. Grand Rapids (great player, questions is can White lead Team). Not sure of goaltender talent? Anyone care to expand upon? 5. Brainerd 6. Cambridge (Goldsmith is proven and is the most experienced tender in the Section and good size). 7. Andover 8. Forest Lake 9. St. Francis (Schwartz has looked like a stone wall at times in the nets and has good size). He will be a sophomore this year and has looked as good as K. Patterson (Blake) at times as a youngster. Bottom-line, IMHO, 1-4 placement is dependent on goaltending. HF23 - In your statement earlier about top goaltenders in the Section, you missed Nick Kellogg who will be playing at Andover HS. I watched him and the other 23 GTs at Model Camp and he played well (S% .931 and 0.80 GAA, and GA 4, leading all GTs in each catagory. He is 6'4" and 230 lbs, and moves and recovers well for a big guy. It will be interesting to see how he plays seeing 30-50 shots a game at AHS versus what he saw his freshman and sophomore year at Totino Grace. GR19 / W900 - many Minnesota hockey kids view this board, therefore, before you disrespect them by saying near the end of your post "it doesn't matter of coarse and or it doesn't matter" for the bottom half of the Section Teams it does matter to them!!! Not only does it matter to them, it matters to an entire community. Show some respect! Regards, mnhockey39

hockeywild1331 · Post by **hockeywild1331** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 5:30 pm

1. Cloquet 2. Elk River 3. Duluth East 4. Grand Rapids 5. Forest Lake 6. Brainerd 7. Cambridge 8. Andover 9. St. Franny Bottom Line, if 1-4 is going to depend on goal tending, Cloquet has the best in the top four

Hockeyfanatic23 · Post by **Hockeyfanatic23** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:09 pm

Who are some of the top players in this section....so far ive heard a lot about Ellingson, but who else is there to look for out there?

EREmpireStrikesBack · Post by **EREmpireStrikesBack** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:20 pm

I gave you a few guys from ER <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> Elk River AA State Champions- 2001 Boys & 2004 Girls

PuckRanger · Post by **PuckRanger** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 1:32 am

A few others that I didn't see mentioned that might be worth watching: D-Carl Sneep, Brainerd G-Jerad Goldsmith, Cambridge F-Garet Chumley, Cambridge F-Steve Mlodozynic, Cloquet F-Tyler Johnson, Cloquet F-Blake Woodward, Forest Lake F-Tom Kubes, Forest Lake F-Patrick White, Grand Rapids G-Colton Schwartz, St. Francis F-Dustin Skinner, Andover

JLS 81 · Post by **JLS 81** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:05 am

ER Empire, I watched your club down in St. Paul last year and was very impressed with their constant hustle and strong forecheck. Who will be coming back from that club from last season that will be the leaders for that team? I did watch the Peterson kid a couple weeks ago in elite play and he looks very solid but does he have a line to work with this year at Elk River? Will Elk River be very effective, developing, changing lines frequently to get the right mix and how deep will the club be? Cloquet learned last season that you need 3 solid lines to go against East and their out of state open enrolled kids. Do you guys have the horses to match up this season?

elmnhockeyscout · Post by **elmnhockeyscout** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 7:42 am

Hey, stars wars, i mean empire strikes back, nice name... there you go again blowing smoke about Elk River... why don't you stop blowing so much smoke about Elk River and start talking about a legitimate team for section 7aa.

East Hockey Puck · Post by **East Hockey Puck** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:55 am

JLS 81 It is hard to believe that you want to start up with the East recruiting thing again: A couple of quick facts before you start attacking East again this year: 1) East has two kids that were not part of their program growing up. Colin Trachsel is a coaches nephew and has been coming to the State High School tourney since he was 10. And no he wasnt recruited he wants to be here. As shown by his being here this year when he had other good options. The other player is Podge Turnbull. 2) East is the only AA team from up north that has alternative places for their kids to play High School Hockey. Last Year Marshalls excellant team had 12 or 13 players who had played hockey on the Duluth East bantam A team. How would Grand Rapids or Cloquets program stack up if they had those types of losses. How good would East be if these kids were at East? 3) Another close AA program have a Colorado kid in their program as well as at least two kids from Moose Lake, but we never hear any mention of this. Open enrollment is part of our culture now like it or not dont be so biased against one individual program and be so quick to judge when I would challenge anyone to show another program who continues to achieve while having the player losses that East has had. This doesnt even bring up losing Cade Fairchild who is doing well in Ann Arbor.

JLS 81 · Post by **JLS 81** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:11 am

Gosh East Hockey Puck I think you are getting a little upset and it is unwarranted. All I alluded to was that Cloquet had a tough time in the section final matching up (3 lines) with your clubs depth which was helped last season by the open enrolled kids. I also asked the question, can Elk River match up with East (and other 7AA teams). I did not even bring up the dreaded 'R' word. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p100.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... =jls81>JLS 81</A> at: 10/14/05 11:23 am

hockeywild1331 · Post by **hockeywild1331** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 3:11 pm

easthockeypuck, Don't get so defensive and start blaming "another close AA program" to get your team out of the spotlight. Cloquet was fortunate to get these kids on their team, and they were definatly not recruiting. The "colorado kid", David Brown, came to play minnesota hockey. Cloquet never recruited David. He was recommended to go to cloquet because they have a good solid program & a good coach. And obviously, the two kids from Moose Lake are going to go to the closest place to play hockey. They wouldn't drive all the way to Duluth to play for a team like East when they have just as good a chance of going to state if they play for a team like Cloquet. regrads, hockeywild

Post by **east hockey** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 3:26 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Cloquet was fortunate to get these kids on their team, and they were definatly not recruiting<hr></blockquote> Okay, just so I have this straight in my mind.... 1. If they open enroll to Cloquet, Cloquet is fortunate. 2. If they open enroll to East, East is recruiting, even when the student is a close relation to an assistant coach at East. (Yep, JLS81 didn't use that exact "R" word, but his implication is pretty clear. AHA fans saw the same thing, right?) Gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up for us <img src="http://www.minnhock.com/rolleyes.gif"/> Funniest part of this is that, at least East got their open enrollees from the USA. :cough: Petrov :cough: Maybe the Hounds need to expand their vision to an international level. Gotta believe there is some untapped talent there, huh? <img src="http://www.minnhock.com/biggrin.gif"/> EastHockeyPuck, arguing with them can be fun at times, but in the end, people follow their biased beliefs. It's a given and we've seen this more than once. Let 'em squawk. In closing.....3>0. Fans of a certain team can figure this out. Lee ____________ Message Board arsonist since 2005

JLS 81 · Post by **JLS 81** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:06 pm

The comments were about open enrollment which is according to MSHSL legal in Minnesota and even legal at places like Duluth East and as well Cloquet. Why are you guys defensive about a comment on open enrollment? What are you east guys upset about the fact that you were a line better than Cloquet last season? It was not to be taken as some sort of rip on your beloved program, it was a simple fact stated. As an Administrator are you insisting that people must adhere to the "party line"? It kind of seems like that may very well be the case. "Biased beliefs"...so I guess only the opinions and the mantra that open enrollment is a good thing are becoming the acceptable norm on this board? Edited by: <A HREF=http://p100.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... =jls81>JLS 81</A> at: 10/14/05 4:09 pm

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