irondale vs. bsm

[lovetopuck]

[quote="MNHockeyFan"][quote="lovetopuck"]I was suprised that (such) a strong team from a privite school could be so cheap. you'd think they'd have the sportsmanship and etiquete to be somewhat respectful. but i agree that it was an off night for both team, and i talked to one of the players who heard the one of the refs say it wasnt a goal and that it was a mistake to the other ref but they decided to keep it.[/quote]

I had a very good vantage point and the puck definitely went in. The ref who hesitated was not in a good position to tell if it was a goal or not - and this does happen sometimes - was right in calling it a non-goal because he did not see it go in. The other ref, although further away, had a better angle and apparently did see it cross the line. So he was correct in conferring with the other ref, which led to the ruling that it was a goal.

As for BSM not having "sportsmanship and etiquete to be somewhat respectful" I think this mainly arose out of frustration from not being able to score despite having numerous opportunities and a strong territorial advantage during long stretches throughout the game. A couple of times there was some pushing and shoving after the whistle which sometimes you do see in a hockey game, especially when the action is intense and the opposing teams are really battling one another. BSM needs to show more discipline in these situations and learn to avoid the retaliatory type penalties, which has been a problem in several games this year.[/quote]

usually you dont see this in a girls game, but in some aspects you should be happy to the emotions running this high in such an intense game. i still dont think the refs had the greatest angle, and i do believe turunzo had some influence on this decsion. it was a pressure call and i stand by what i have said earlier, not that it matters. theres no sense in argung about this considering its long over. but by any means it was a good game for both schools.

[BCGHockey]

Shannon Reilly is out most likely for the balance of the season with a broken bone in her ankle. I believe this will have an impact on the success of BSM. She brings to the ice, offence from the blue line and a great shot on the power play.

[MNHockeyFan]

theres no sense in argung about this considering its long over. but by any means it was a good game for both schools.

Agreed, what's done is done. Going into this game I knew it would be very competitive, and it certainly was. Both teams had excellent chances to win, both in regulation and in overtime, and all things considered maybe it was fair that it ended in a tie.

Looking ahead, the North Suburban conference championship is now BSM's to lose as they are at 7-0-1 (15 points) and Irondale is 6-1-1 (13 points). From this point on you wouldn't expect either team to lose any more conference games, but until each one is played you can't be certain. I do wish there were more exciting games like last night's - it would help both teams get ready for their sections. Best of luck to Irondale the rest of the way.

[lovetopuck]

theres no sense in argung about this considering its long over. but by any means it was a good game for both schools.

Agreed, what's done is done. Going into this game I knew it would be very competitive, and it certainly was. Both teams had excellent chances to win, both in regulation and in overtime, and all things considered maybe it was fair that it ended in a tie.

Looking ahead, the North Suburban conference championship is now BSM's to lose as they are at 7-0-1 (15 points) and Irondale is 6-1-1 (13 points). From this point on you wouldn't expect either team to lose any more conference games, but until each one is played you can't be certain. I do wish there were more exciting games like last night's - it would help both teams get ready for their sections. Best of luck to Irondale the rest of the way.

Irondale has a conference game @ Totino Grace this upcoming friday which should be a closer game then Irondale's 6-0 beating of TG previously in the year. But no matter what team is playing who, or who i'm cheering for, I always hope for games as fun as the BSM Irondale game last night. I see BSM winning the conference, and doing will in sections.

[Zamboni4Fun]

I was in attendance at the Irondale vs Benilde game this Tuesday night. I have to tell you from what I overheard I was disgusted by the vulgar language used by these girls from BSM. I think they should be ashamed of themselves. Part of being on a school hockey team isn't all about hockey. It is about representation of your school. Wear your team colors proudly and show respect to your opponent. I think that BSM has a good team as does Irondale. My thoughts are that Irondale works hard to be where they are considering that the girls on this team come from a very small area within New Brighton and MoundsView unlike Benilde where they draw from all over. Both teams played well but BSM showed little sportsmanship and I was disappointed in that. Someone wrote that there was home cooking with the refs? You have got to be kiddin? A goal was taken away from Irondale and both teams served penalties. As for a defenseman missing? Irondale had a good player missing as well. Irondale has as many players on the entire team as Benilde had on their JV team. I was impressed with Irondale considering the lack of numbers. Good luck to both teams in the remainder of their season.

[Zamman]

I have to tell you from what I overheard I was disgusted by the vulgar language used by these girls

This comment has no bearing at all. Have you been around a rink lately? I have. I do not know any team, and I see a lot of teams, that come into the rink with clean mouths. If we had sold bar soap, Ralphies mother would be busy most of the day. Next to tobacco use in the arena, filthy mouths is second and this is at all levels. Maybe not the tobacco....

[Zamboni4Fun]

This comment has no bearing at all. Have you been around a rink lately? I have. I do not know any team, and I see a lot of teams, that come into the rink with clean mouths. If we had sold bar soap, Ralphies mother would be busy most of the day. Next to tobacco use in the arena, filthy mouths is second and this is at all levels. Maybe not the tobacco....


You have got to be kidding? This is the attitude...yeah they do it so who cares? Wow! This comment has no bearing at all? Maybe not to you but the rude behavior was heard by many. I am not dumb that there is foul mouths around but it doesn't make it ok. Many of the girls were RUDE. One even refusing to go into the penalty box. A delay of game should have been called. Defending such behavior is unbelievable. Tobacco? Wow! I understand that there are kids with filthy mouths but coming from a high rated private school BSM should be embarassed. The reputation of the school should be what is important not using their foul mouths towards other teams. Have I been around a rink lately? Well, let me see...yes, I have and actually for many years since my father played, I have played, my brothers played, and all my children have played. So, my experience with hockey is vast. Simply put....hockey players can be respectful to others!

[Pucking is my LIFE]

I find the excuses made by benilde very funny such as one made by the coach "we are an academic school and the reason we played bad was our girls were up late last night studying for finals!" It's a joke.
Benilde was walking around the arena before the game like they had it in the bag and that is was going to be a 8 point game again.
I heard the Refs talking and when they had to tell the benilde coach that they were giving Trunzo a penalty, neither of them wanted to do it and finally one said "Fine I will, but he better not yell at me." The refs were scared of Benilde and just wanted to please them.

[taz91]

Sounds like the Benilde coaches have as much control over the refs as Miller at UMD.

[OldCoachDS]

I am shocked….shocked….to hear BSM girls being accused of chippy play, using foul language and showing poor sportsmanship.

(snicker, snicker)

Seriously, folks, you can change coaches all you want, but the culture of the school stays the same.

What’s valued is collecting prima donna athletes and gunning for state titles (and the resulting publicity) at all costs. That why daddies and grandaddies send their "superstars" there.

What’s not valued? Sportsmanship, integrity, respect for the game, the opponents and the refs.

It’s the BSM way.

[MNHockeyFan]

The old coach obviously has an axe to grind here. His only other post in these forums also took a cheap shot at BSM - this was in an older discussion about the proposed new transfer rules:

"Especially effective is the provision that all those, regardless of year, who have competed on varsity at one school will lose a year of eligibility when transferring to another. This negates the common practice, especially among privates, of snatching the best young players from surrounding schools.

I would add one provision – that the MSHSL fully fund and operate an investigative/enforcement apparatus, to flush out those who will try to skirt these rules. For instance, perhaps a “big roller” from Lake Minnetonka would think nothing of renting an apartment in St. Louis Park and claim a family move, for Susie to be able to play penalty-free at BSM."

Well, the real facts are that Benilde has only one transfer on the team. All of the players except one started at the school in 9th grade - or earlier. (BSM has a junior high which is 7th & 8th grade; senior high starts in 9th grade). There are many public schools that have more than one transfer on their rosters, and many more that have the same as Benilde: one. But for some reason (?) OldCoachDS seems to have something against only BSM. Perhaps he would like to explain his animosity against this particular school a little further. It must be something personal.

[lovetopuck]

The old coach obviously has an axe to grind here. His only other post in these forums also took a cheap shot at BSM - this was in an older discussion about the proposed new transfer rules:

"Especially effective is the provision that all those, regardless of year, who have competed on varsity at one school will lose a year of eligibility when transferring to another. This negates the common practice, especially among privates, of snatching the best young players from surrounding schools.

I would add one provision – that the MSHSL fully fund and operate an investigative/enforcement apparatus, to flush out those who will try to skirt these rules. For instance, perhaps a “big roller” from Lake Minnetonka would think nothing of renting an apartment in St. Louis Park and claim a family move, for Susie to be able to play penalty-free at BSM."

Well, the real facts are that Benilde has only one transfer on the team. All of the players except one started at the school in 9th grade - or earlier. (BSM has a junior high which is 7th & 8th grade; senior high starts in 9th grade). There are many public schools that have more than one transfer on their rosters, and many more that have the same as Benilde: one. But for some reason (?) OldCoachDS seems to have something against only BSM. Perhaps he would like to explain his animosity against this particular school a little further. It must be something personal.

ouch... i'm not a big fan of the whole privite school dynasties but MNhockeyfan just put oldcoach in his place. nice...

[OldCoachDS]

Hmmm. Sounds like a nerve has been struck here, and the “Red Knight Defense League” has leapt into action.

To repeat: any astute observer of girls hockey the past decade knows that the behavior and “attitude” shown at the Irondale game follows a predictable pattern for this school. Bad-mouthing, intimidating referees, expecting special treatment.

No “axe to grind.” Just observations from someone who’s seen it happen. Some privates have pulled off the whole championship routine and still played as a team worthy of respect. The BSM girls program….not so much.

[gopher9]

I will have to agree with Oldcoach on this one! Although you have to respect the talent that BSM has. They are loaded with talented hockey players!To bad their heads are to big for their helmets!!

[lovetopuck]

Hmmm. Sounds like a nerve has been struck here, and the “Red Knight Defense League” has leapt into action.

To repeat: any astute observer of girls hockey the past decade knows that the behavior and “attitude” shown at the Irondale game follows a predictable pattern for this school. Bad-mouthing, intimidating referees, expecting special treatment.

No “axe to grind.” Just observations from someone who’s seen it happen. Some privates have pulled off the whole championship routine and still played as a team worthy of respect. The BSM girls program….not so much.

this is true

[xk1]

I have to ask, what is the purpose of making these posts about BSM? (I'm not going to quote them because they don't deserve repeating)
Does it make you feel better?
Do you think the rest of us are better off now after learning your thoughts?

[MNHockeyFan]

Bad-mouthing, intimidating referees, expecting special treatment.

I would like to hear more how a group of teenage girls can "intimidate" the referees. If this were true, could it possibly be that the referees would be responsible for allowing themselves to be "intimidated"? And it certainly cannot come from the coach, who is very composed and rarely questions a call. If there is a question - which is very rare from what I've observed - he will motion for the ref to come to the bench and does not become animated or raise his voice.

And as for "expecting special treatment"? I have no idea what you mean here - as in expecting special treatment from whom? I do know that three years ago BSM opted to move up to Class AA after having some success at the A level. They are now voluntarily playing some schools with enrollments more than three times their size, both in boys and girls hockey.

Your last claim of "bad mouthing" probably does have some validity, but I have a sneaking suspicion that BSM is not unique in this area. If it was overwhelmingly just BSM you would see lots of unsportsmanlike conduct penalties being called against them, but this hasn't been the case. Then again maybe this is because the grown-up refs are too intimidated to call them on it, even when they are deserved.

If these generalizations were really the reason behind your "bad-mouthing" of BSM, which I doubt is the case, you would have to say it's pretty lame. I am in no way saying that BSM's players are perfect - they aren't. They do play aggressive and sometimes not always as smart as they should. But I hate to see these kinds of accusations go by unanswered, as I think you are being totally unfair to a good group of girls.

[OldCoachDS]

As Shakespeare would say…Methinks thou doth protest too much.

All I’ve done is summarize the facts and observations from earlier in this same thread. And over the last several years, many in the greater hockey community have seen similar behavior from this school.

Obviously, there are others who agree.

[MNHockeyFan]

As Shakespeare would say…Methinks thou doth protest too much.

All I’ve done is summarize the facts and observations from earlier in this same thread. And over the last several years, many in the greater hockey community have seen similar behavior from this school.

Obviously, there are others who agree.

DS, You are entitled to your own opinions but you still haven't given any facts to support them!

[JJhockeySS]

I have seen BSM yearly, sometimes more often for the past 11 years, and have never observed the behavior that OldCoachDS is talking about. I have been involved in games with, scouted this team, and had the chance to work with some of the kids in off-season events put on by the MSHSL. What ocds is reporting is not consistent with what I have observed of this team. They have talent, play hard, and always give a good effort, and I have only witnessed them as being a class act both on & off the ice.