Now is the time to force all Privates up to "AA"

[Mite-dad]

Good grief! Sacrifice?! I guarantee that a lot of families from small town public teams "sacrifice" way more to have their kids in hockey than these private school parents do. Can't afford serious summer hockey either. Sending kid to summer camp for $500 is a task. $18000 tuition? Are you serious? If you can afford to send your kids to high school for that price I highly doubt a whole lot of sacrificing is happening. Even with the financial aid, there is no way in hell most small A public families could afford that. What is the sacrifice? Give me an example. Half million dollar house instead of a mill?

Great movie script rainier, loved it.

[blueliner2day]

There are 2 classes in swimming, track, cross country, etc.
Despite being a top 3 swimming program in the state over the last 15-20 years I've never heard anyone suggest they opt up to AA. Maybe it's cuz people outside of hockey understand that a) logic doesn't somehow change for a specific sport and that b) it's a class system determined by the enrollment of your school, not your talent level.[/quote]


Bingo! Outstanding statement!

[BlueLineSpecial]

Good grief! Sacrifice?! I guarantee that a lot of families from small town public teams "sacrifice" way more to have their kids in hockey than these private school parents do. Can't afford serious summer hockey either. Sending kid to summer camp for $500 is a task. $18000 tuition? Are you serious? If you can afford to send your kids to high school for that price I highly doubt a whole lot of sacrificing is happening. Even with the financial aid, there is no way in hell most small A public families could afford that. What is the sacrifice? Give me an example. Half million dollar house instead of a mill?

Great movie script rainier, loved it.

No one is comparing sacrifices. But I'm not going to argue with you becuse you clearly don't get it. Read the posts before questioning what people sacrifice. I recall a couple that parished on the cruise ship in Italy sending their kids to private schools their whole lives, and they sacrificed vacations their whole lives to do that. The cruise was a reward. Hows that for an example? Does that work for you? I can list several hundred other sacrifices if you like, but you won't listen. Again, NO ONE IS CLAIMING OTHERS DON'T MAKE SACRIFICES TOO. But you've got in your head that all private school attendees are living in the lap of luxury. So enjoy your position. Its wrong but enjoy.

[WarmUpTheBus]

Families don't pocket any money. If a family qualifies for assistance, even the average, they still have to pay ~9k in tuition. They aren't putting any money in their pocket. There is no way to tell how much a family receives and who receives it. There are no special grants set aside for athletes, the only grants that are available are academic related based on entrance exam scores. A public education is free, there is no need for a financial assistance program. if a family can afford to send their son to STA, that is their choice. You just don't seem to get it.

Well said deacon.
To Ranier I have no problem with people who think privates should move up to AA. Remember, private schools have to attract tuition paying students to stay in business. If they feel they need to offer a AA hockey program to keep kids coming they will. This is what AHA and Benilde decided.

Regarding recruiting or hand picking star talent schools like Edina, Wayzata, EP, etc. have a huge advantage over the private schools. They have huge youth programs to draw from and can offer a "free" public school education and a high quality high school hockey program.

Take Benilde for example, this year they have at least 6 or 7 kids from Edina on the roster. Since they could have gone to EHS for free and been part of a pretty darn strong high school hockey team.

It seems they choose Benilde for reasons beyond and including hockey.

Maybe they didn't feel they would make the EHS team which shoots down the recruiting top talent claim.

Maybe they are getting financial aid which doesn't make sense since they could have stayed at EHS free with no strings attached.

Maybe they are Catholic.

Maybe mom or dad decided before they were born that they wanted their kids to go to Benilde whather they played sports or not.

[hockey59]

Private school kids are disadvantaged, all their families do is sacrifice, and we owe a thanks to private schools? Seriously?

Do you hear yourself? And you wonder why people don't like private schools. (Other than the whole sandbagging thing.)

No one is saying to go to bed at night and pay for the well-being of those who attend private schools. But it's simple math, something you claim to know a lot about.
Tax payers put x amount of money into the pot that goes toward public education. You divide that money between all the students in public education and that's how much the "state spends per kid." Now, take students out of the "pool" and that is the same amount of money to be spent on less kids, which ends up being more money per kid.
That translates to more teachers, smaller classes, better technology, etc, etc. No one is asking for thanks, it is a simple fact how the money is distributed.

The Headmaster at STA strikes me as someone with about as much common sense as Kenneth Keller had when he was U of M President. With there being only 2 classes in hockey as opposed to 4 or 5 classes for several other sports...Football, Swimming, Basketball, etc...why on God's green earth does he even care what class they play in for hockey? Talk about Intellectual Egghead Leadership. If the AD and the coaches (and I'm sure most of the players) want to play AA...why stand in their way? Why be a lightning rod...unless he simply enjoys the attention when the STATE Tourney rolls around each March?

There are 2 classes in swimming, track, cross country, etc.
Despite being a top 3 swimming program in the state over the last 15-20 years I've never heard anyone suggest they opt up to AA. Maybe it's cuz people outside of hockey understand that a) logic doesn't somehow change for a specific sport and that b) it's a class system determined by the enrollment of your school, not your talent level.

LOL...after 5724 posts about hockey (which I think qualifys you as sort of a hockey fanatic...you stick with the company line of ..."we play class A hockey because that is where we belong based on MSHSL rules"...and then use the swimming analogy to justify the comparison. Here is a tip...when 19,000 people show up to watch a swim meet like last night at XCEL for AA (oops I mean 4,000 show up to watch a Class A hockey title game) then the swimming vs. hockey comparison might have some validity) You and your bobo's sound like "meatsauce robot on KFAN."..its sad how important playing in the Class A State tourney 6 of 8 years is to you people...its pathetic...you guys simply have no shame.

[east hockey]

hockey59, maybe the point HSHW missed when he tried that rather lame comparison was that there isn't a HighSchoolSwimmingForum for someone to complain that schools don't "opt up" in swimming.

Comparing swimming to hockey?? That is your argument? That's bad, even for you.

Lee

[Mite-dad]

Good grief! Sacrifice?! I guarantee that a lot of families from small town public teams "sacrifice" way more to have their kids in hockey than these private school parents do. Can't afford serious summer hockey either. Sending kid to summer camp for $500 is a task. $18000 tuition? Are you serious? If you can afford to send your kids to high school for that price I highly doubt a whole lot of sacrificing is happening. Even with the financial aid, there is no way in hell most small A public families could afford that. What is the sacrifice? Give me an example. Half million dollar house instead of a mill?

Great movie script rainier, loved it.

No one is comparing sacrifices. But I'm not going to argue with you becuse you clearly don't get it. Read the posts before questioning what people sacrifice. I recall a couple that parished on the cruise ship in Italy sending their kids to private schools their whole lives, and they sacrificed vacations their whole lives to do that. The cruise was a reward. Hows that for an example? Does that work for you? I can list several hundred other sacrifices if you like, but you won't listen. Again, NO ONE IS CLAIMING OTHERS DON'T MAKE SACRIFICES TOO. But you've got in your head that all private school attendees are living in the lap of luxury. So enjoy your position. Its wrong but enjoy.

I feel bad for the couple, but sacrificing vacations is really not much of a sacrifice. You are right though, I am out of touch. I can't imagine being able to send my kids there. But I don't think you folks understand small town hockey either and the demographics of the folks that live there. So you are equally out of touch.

[hockeyfan21]

I usually don't get involved in these topics because both sides are so biased and immovable, but I hope I can add something.

I have been a teacher and coach for multiple sports in both a public and private high school. I chose to leave a private school for a variety of reasons, including what I felt was a better opportunity financially for both me and my family. I think that there are definite advantages academically in some private schools. At the high school level I will stack the kids in my current honors classes against the kids in private schools any day of the week. Good kids come from good parents, end of story. If you are surrounded by bad kids at the public school and want better peers, send them to a private school. Just don't think they are all Harvard bound and drug free...

Athletics are a different story. It's not that the privates raid the youth program. It's that they do not build or give back to one. I spend almost as much time working with the youth programs as I do with my varsity teams. When I was with a private school, I was told to scout those other teams for talent, not coach them up. Our feeder program was every community. To say that recruiting doesn't occur is laughable. The head coach for one sport directed the B squad coach to send his players over to talk to the best players of the opponents and recruit them for the following year. Another head coach had a list of bantams and would have parents go to the games in his place and recruit. In addition, kids were a commodity, there was no loyalty in many cases for a senior 2nd or 3rd stringer who had paid his dues and was a great kid. One senior at another school had his jersey pulled right before the state tournament for a hot shot freshmen, the senior was 4th in voting by the kids as a captain preseason because of his character and work ethic. The freshman was a scoring machine who was expelled the following year for dealing drugs.

The parents of private schools on the other hand, have by and large volunteered their time coaching youth sports, so I respect them for their contributions along the way. In addition, attending a private school doesn't remove you from the tax rolls for the community you live in. Most arenas are civic arenas (ie subsidized by tax dollars) and property taxes help fund public schools whether you have a student or not. Again, the parents of private school athletes still contribute, willingly or not, to public schools and their athletics. But the coaches and private schools do not.

Lastly, someone warned that if people against private schools get their wish high school hockey in MN could end up like out east. Not necessarily. The big draw for athletics at private schools is the opportunity for exposure to colleges (scholarships) and state tournaments. I'm not saying this is what needs to be done, but there is an easy solution. If they placed all the private schools in one conference and one section, but still required them to follow MSHSL rules, their biggest athletic draw would fade. They wouldn't have the unlimited schedules and travel (the cost would be prohibitive to almost all) like Shattuck. In essence they would have to start recruiting against each other instead of against public schools. How many kids (elite hockey players) would choose St. Thomas or Holy Angels over Hill Murray? How many (elite) football players would go anywhere but Totino-Grace or Cretin?

[BlueLineSpecial]

We could always go to a BCS style setup! Conferences as they currently exist continue as they do now. But, we won't have section playoffs. At the beginning of the year we can have a group of media members establish pre-season rankings, and then an algorythm that creates a point system based on certain criteria. Then at the end of the year we can take the top two teams from that computer system and they can play in the championship game on Saturday night. All the other games played through the week are bowl games and we can have sponsers. STA can play Breck in the Mama Mia Pizza Recruiters Bowl! We can have the Taconite Bowl, the Schwans Bowl, the Cargill Bowl and the championship game can be the BullsEye Bowl (sponsered by Target). That should alleviate all these arguments, right???

[PuckU126]

We could always go to a BCS style setup!

NO

[goldy313]

Football used to do it that way, at least through the late '70's.

Years ago one of the Minnespolis papers sponsored a championship between the public school champion, Austin, and the private school champion, Cretin. Austin won everything back then, people complain about STA now....Austin was a southern Minnesota all star team sponsored by Hormel for years.

[BlueLineSpecial]

We could always go to a BCS style setup!

NO

Just trying to prove a point. Things could be worse!

[HShockeywatcher]

Comparing swimming to hockey?? That is your argument? That's bad, even for you.

Lee

Well this statement just shows how little you know about swimming.

Sure, they're different types of games, but all the external things that are required to be successful, especially on a team level, are the same or very similar.
It is no coincidence that many of the teams who are at the top of one in their respective class are at the top of their class in the other.

[flatontheice]

They don't have grants set aside for anyone. Grants and financial assistance are two different things. Grants are earned through test scores, financial assistance is received by qualifications through need. I highly doubt a family can make up their qualifications either. I would bet a lot of money that tax returns are looked at, among other things.

All of the success that the hockey team has achieved in the last 8 years came after the new rink. The education, the intangibles that you take away from attending the school, and the ammentities of the rink makes playing there very attractive

Somehow i cant figure out how making a family pay money for their son to attend high school is somehow an advantage. You can look at it whatever way you want, you'll never be convinced otherwise.

Great post Deacon. Amen. Most people have no idea the sacrifices thousands of families make to send their kids to private schools. They send them to these schools for all kinds of reasons - all of them good. Meanwhile they are saving taxpayers the cost of educating their kids in public schools. We should thank them.

Private school kids are disadvantaged, all their families do is sacrifice, and we owe a thanks to private schools? Seriously?

Do you hear yourself? And you wonder why people don't like private schools. (Other than the whole sandbagging thing.)

You must work for an ex private school guy? That why you so bitter???

[stmartin123]

To show my gratitude to the private schools and to recognize all the heart-wrenching sacrifices made by their customers, I present to you the screenplay of the latest Broadway smash, "Oh, Cadet."

Setting: A tiny, ramshackle wooden hut somewhere in southern Lakeville, a small wisp of smoke rises from a crooked tin chimney. Inside, the Lowcash family gathers around the table for a meager meal of cabbage soup.

"Now eat your soup Billy," says Mrs. Lowcash, "you have a big first day at STA tomorrow."

Billy swirls his spoon absentmindedly in his soup, "But mama, I like Lakeville South, I want to stay here."

Papa Lowcash shoots Billy a disapproving scowl. "Now Billy, you know how many sacrifices we've made so you can go to STA. Mama got a fourth job, we sold our goats, and down at the coal mine I keep working
even when the canary dies, cause we get time and a half for hazard pay."

" I know Papa, it's just that I don't feel comfortable that STA is in Class A for hockey. I mean, there are several of us Lakeville South kids going to STA, and lots of other kids from other AA areas are going there, but yet I will be in A when I get there. I don't understand papa, it doesn't make any sense."

Mama knew her kind voice was needed now more than ever. "Billy, Lakeville South is such a craphole there is just no way we can send you there. Sure, Lakeville South might upset the top ranked team in the state occasionally, but if you graduated from there, you would end up a homeless pariah with no future. We didn't want to tell you honey, but Rex didn't run away, we sold him to a chemical testing lab so we could pay your tuition. That is how important you getting a slightly better education is to us."

"But mama, we will play a AA schedule and even play SSM, but we still pretend to be an A school."

Papa couldn't take anymore blasphemy, "Dang it Billy! It's called leadership, that's what you'll learn there. You'll set an example for those low class public schools by leading them by 7 goals after the first period. Now that's leadership."

The concerned look vanishes from Billy's face as he sees the truth in his father's wisdom. "You're always right papa. Those icky public schools should be thanking us for showing them how a real Class A program conducts itself."

Papa puts his arm around Billy and gives a warm smile. "Yes they should, Billy, yes they should."

Fade out and...scene.

That's a wrap! STA should opt up.

The more you complain or try to prove your point the more I laugh. I hope Breck and STA stay in class A just to make you mad! Your moaning has become quite pathetic. Not everything is fair, get over it!

[Mite-dad]

To show my gratitude to the private schools and to recognize all the heart-wrenching sacrifices made by their customers, I present to you the screenplay of the latest Broadway smash, "Oh, Cadet."

Setting: A tiny, ramshackle wooden hut somewhere in southern Lakeville, a small wisp of smoke rises from a crooked tin chimney. Inside, the Lowcash family gathers around the table for a meager meal of cabbage soup.

"Now eat your soup Billy," says Mrs. Lowcash, "you have a big first day at STA tomorrow."

Billy swirls his spoon absentmindedly in his soup, "But mama, I like Lakeville South, I want to stay here."

Papa Lowcash shoots Billy a disapproving scowl. "Now Billy, you know how many sacrifices we've made so you can go to STA. Mama got a fourth job, we sold our goats, and down at the coal mine I keep working
even when the canary dies, cause we get time and a half for hazard pay."

" I know Papa, it's just that I don't feel comfortable that STA is in Class A for hockey. I mean, there are several of us Lakeville South kids going to STA, and lots of other kids from other AA areas are going there, but yet I will be in A when I get there. I don't understand papa, it doesn't make any sense."

Mama knew her kind voice was needed now more than ever. "Billy, Lakeville South is such a craphole there is just no way we can send you there. Sure, Lakeville South might upset the top ranked team in the state occasionally, but if you graduated from there, you would end up a homeless pariah with no future. We didn't want to tell you honey, but Rex didn't run away, we sold him to a chemical testing lab so we could pay your tuition. That is how important you getting a slightly better education is to us."

"But mama, we will play a AA schedule and even play SSM, but we still pretend to be an A school."

Papa couldn't take anymore blasphemy, "Dang it Billy! It's called leadership, that's what you'll learn there. You'll set an example for those low class public schools by leading them by 7 goals after the first period. Now that's leadership."

The concerned look vanishes from Billy's face as he sees the truth in his father's wisdom. "You're always right papa. Those icky public schools should be thanking us for showing them how a real Class A program conducts itself."

Papa puts his arm around Billy and gives a warm smile. "Yes they should, Billy, yes they should."

Fade out and...scene.

That's a wrap! STA should opt up.

The more you complain or try to prove your point the more I laugh. I hope Breck and STA stay in class A just to make you mad! Your moaning has become quite pathetic. Not everything is fair, get over it!

Its more about growing a pair and playing where you truly belong. Most private school supporters agree they should move up like other private schools have that have had success at the A level.

[east hockey]

Comparing swimming to hockey?? That is your argument? That's bad, even for you.

Lee

Well this statement just shows how little you know about swimming.

Sure, they're different types of games, but all the external things that are required to be successful, especially on a team level, are the same or very similar.
It is no coincidence that many of the teams who are at the top of one in their respective class are at the top of their class in the other.

No, your response shows how little you know about high school hockey in Minnesota. Which wouldn't be bad otherwise, except you're posting this drivel on a forum dedicated to high school hockey in Minnesota. No wonder the Lessers used to take such pleasure in their comments regarding you.

Swimming similar to hockey? In what imaginary world does that happen? Hockey is different. One secret reason why: "It's the money, stupid". That "external thing" you speak of. How much of a financial commitment, over the years, is required for a family to grow a top-notch swimming prospect? Compared to hockey? This is what you don't understand. Again.

Lee

[DubCHAGuy]

Comparing swimming to hockey?? That is your argument? That's bad, even for you.

Lee

Well this statement just shows how little you know about swimming.

Sure, they're different types of games, but all the external things that are required to be successful, especially on a team level, are the same or very similar.
It is no coincidence that many of the teams who are at the top of one in their respective class are at the top of their class in the other.

No, your response shows how little you know about high school hockey in Minnesota. Which wouldn't be bad otherwise, except you're posting this drivel on a forum dedicated to high school hockey in Minnesota. No wonder the Lessers used to take such pleasure in their comments regarding you.

Swimming similar to hockey? In what imaginary world does that happen? Hockey is different. One secret reason why: "It's the money, stupid". That "external thing" you speak of. How much of a financial commitment, over the years, is required for a family to grow a top-notch swimming prospect? Compared to hockey? This is what you don't understand. Again.

Lee

[BlueLineSpecial]

Comparing swimming to hockey?? That is your argument? That's bad, even for you.

Lee

Well this statement just shows how little you know about swimming.

Sure, they're different types of games, but all the external things that are required to be successful, especially on a team level, are the same or very similar.
It is no coincidence that many of the teams who are at the top of one in their respective class are at the top of their class in the other.

No, your response shows how little you know about high school hockey in Minnesota. Which wouldn't be bad otherwise, except you're posting this drivel on a forum dedicated to high school hockey in Minnesota. No wonder the Lessers used to take such pleasure in their comments regarding you.

Swimming similar to hockey? In what imaginary world does that happen? Hockey is different. One secret reason why: "It's the money, stupid". That "external thing" you speak of. How much of a financial commitment, over the years, is required for a family to grow a top-notch swimming prospect? Compared to hockey? This is what you don't understand. Again.

Lee

Where is PuckU126 with the two little guys eating popcorn????

[Master Recruiter]

Comparing swimming to hockey?? That is your argument? That's bad, even for you.

Lee

Well this statement just shows how little you know about swimming.

Sure, they're different types of games, but all the external things that are required to be successful, especially on a team level, are the same or very similar.
It is no coincidence that many of the teams who are at the top of one in their respective class are at the top of their class in the other.

No, your response shows how little you know about high school hockey in Minnesota. Which wouldn't be bad otherwise, except you're posting this drivel on a forum dedicated to high school hockey in Minnesota. No wonder the Lessers used to take such pleasure in their comments regarding you.

Swimming similar to hockey? In what imaginary world does that happen? Hockey is different. One secret reason why: "It's the money, stupid". That "external thing" you speak of. How much of a financial commitment, over the years, is required for a family to grow a top-notch swimming prospect? Compared to hockey? This is what you don't understand. Again.

Lee

[east hockey]

Well this statement just shows how little you know about swimming.

Sure, they're different types of games, but all the external things that are required to be successful, especially on a team level, are the same or very similar.
It is no coincidence that many of the teams who are at the top of one in their respective class are at the top of their class in the other.

No, your response shows how little you know about high school hockey in Minnesota. Which wouldn't be bad otherwise, except you're posting this drivel on a forum dedicated to high school hockey in Minnesota. No wonder the Lessers used to take such pleasure in their comments regarding you.

Swimming similar to hockey? In what imaginary world does that happen? Hockey is different. One secret reason why: "It's the money, stupid". That "external thing" you speak of. How much of a financial commitment, over the years, is required for a family to grow a top-notch swimming prospect? Compared to hockey? This is what you don't understand. Again.

Lee

LOL...I had to see where you got that image from. Looks like a coworker.

Lee

[Master Recruiter]

No, your response shows how little you know about high school hockey in Minnesota. Which wouldn't be bad otherwise, except you're posting this drivel on a forum dedicated to high school hockey in Minnesota. No wonder the Lessers used to take such pleasure in their comments regarding you.

Swimming similar to hockey? In what imaginary world does that happen? Hockey is different. One secret reason why: "It's the money, stupid". That "external thing" you speak of. How much of a financial commitment, over the years, is required for a family to grow a top-notch swimming prospect? Compared to hockey? This is what you don't understand. Again.

Lee

LOL...I had to see where you got that image from. Looks like a coworker.

Lee

[BlueLineSpecial]

Well this statement just shows how little you know about swimming.

Sure, they're different types of games, but all the external things that are required to be successful, especially on a team level, are the same or very similar.
It is no coincidence that many of the teams who are at the top of one in their respective class are at the top of their class in the other.

No, your response shows how little you know about high school hockey in Minnesota. Which wouldn't be bad otherwise, except you're posting this drivel on a forum dedicated to high school hockey in Minnesota. No wonder the Lessers used to take such pleasure in their comments regarding you.

Swimming similar to hockey? In what imaginary world does that happen? Hockey is different. One secret reason why: "It's the money, stupid". That "external thing" you speak of. How much of a financial commitment, over the years, is required for a family to grow a top-notch swimming prospect? Compared to hockey? This is what you don't understand. Again.

Lee

Awesome. Thats even better

[northern_guy]

To show my gratitude to the private schools and to recognize all the heart-wrenching sacrifices made by their customers, I present to you the screenplay of the latest Broadway smash, "Oh, Cadet."

Setting: A tiny, ramshackle wooden hut somewhere in southern Lakeville, a small wisp of smoke rises from a crooked tin chimney. Inside, the Lowcash family gathers around the table for a meager meal of cabbage soup.

"Now eat your soup Billy," says Mrs. Lowcash, "you have a big first day at STA tomorrow."

Billy swirls his spoon absentmindedly in his soup, "But mama, I like Lakeville South, I want to stay here."

Papa Lowcash shoots Billy a disapproving scowl. "Now Billy, you know how many sacrifices we've made so you can go to STA. Mama got a fourth job, we sold our goats, and down at the coal mine I keep working
even when the canary dies, cause we get time and a half for hazard pay."

" I know Papa, it's just that I don't feel comfortable that STA is in Class A for hockey. I mean, there are several of us Lakeville South kids going to STA, and lots of other kids from other AA areas are going there, but yet I will be in A when I get there. I don't understand papa, it doesn't make any sense."

Mama knew her kind voice was needed now more than ever. "Billy, Lakeville South is such a craphole there is just no way we can send you there. Sure, Lakeville South might upset the top ranked team in the state occasionally, but if you graduated from there, you would end up a homeless pariah with no future. We didn't want to tell you honey, but Rex didn't run away, we sold him to a chemical testing lab so we could pay your tuition. That is how important you getting a slightly better education is to us."

"But mama, we will play a AA schedule and even play SSM, but we still pretend to be an A school."

Papa couldn't take anymore blasphemy, "Dang it Billy! It's called leadership, that's what you'll learn there. You'll set an example for those low class public schools by leading them by 7 goals after the first period. Now that's leadership."

The concerned look vanishes from Billy's face as he sees the truth in his father's wisdom. "You're always right papa. Those icky public schools should be thanking us for showing them how a real Class A program conducts itself."

Papa puts his arm around Billy and gives a warm smile. "Yes they should, Billy, yes they should."

Fade out and...scene.

That's a wrap! STA should opt up.

The more you complain or try to prove your point the more I laugh. I hope Breck and STA stay in class A just to make you mad! Your moaning has become quite pathetic. Not everything is fair, get over it!

Its more about growing a pair and playing where you truly belong. Most private school supporters agree they should move up like other private schools have that have had success at the A level.

where does cathedral belong in your small town opinion? i think you need to differentiate between metro and outstate private schools. i think i know how you will answer...the last time cathedral and little falls where in the same section cathedral beat them in the section final to go to the tier II tournament. (1993)

[BlueLineSpecial]

LOL...I had to see where you got that image from. Looks like a coworker.

Lee

Okay stop, thats creeping me out