There is something funny about today’s 900 new cases, 660 of them do not show a county , normally the cases without a county ID is negligible . Wonder if a clarification is coming?
https://www.health.state.mn.us/diseases ... ml#dailyc1
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There is something funny about today’s 900 new cases, 660 of them do not show a county , normally the cases without a county ID is negligible . Wonder if a clarification is coming?
OldManRiver wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 8:29 amAs I said in my original post ( a part which you skipped for some reason) - "I'm sure there are a myriad of valid reasons why not holding sports right now makes the most sense - but to drop it all on a "don't play or kids will die" type of ultimatum just shows an incredible lack of knowledge about a truly complex issue."First, to OldManRiver... I’m sorry, so the Buffalo principle didn’t state it exactly the way YOU think she should’ve but, when you, Goldy, grindian, and 7Times, have to actually put YOUR fannies and livelihoods on the actual line from a decision-making standpoint, we’ll see how YOU react. You guys are freaking unbelievable. How about trying to walk a day in a person’s shoes before you criticize them. As she/he said, extracurriculars — as beneficial as we know they are — ARE A PRIVILEGE and NOT A RIGHT! Remember, they are sitting in rooms listening to the best medical experts in our state and, even nationally, in educating themselves in regards to making the best decisions possible
So if you're calling me out because I said it shows an incredible lack of knowledge about a truly complex issue to say that kids who play sports are going to die, which is the exact argument the Buffalo Assistant Principal (let's get the title and spelling correct at least) made, then I guess we're at a point where you are ignoring science and data and we are not going to agree.
Oh, and not that it matters, I am responsible in my daily life for actions and decisions which directly impact more than 6,000 employees and members, so my response to this is exactly how someone who "actually put YOUR fannies and livelihoods on the actual line from a decision-making standpoints" reacts.
ClassAGuy...I love your positivity. However, just because those other states are planning on playing, doesn't mean they actually will. And, although I trust you've heard from people you trust in regards to the MSHSL planning on starting Fall Sports on time, again, I think we need to not get our hopes up too high until it actually happens. But, I obviously hope you are right!ClassAGuy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:31 am John Millea @MSHSLjohn
State officials expected to announce back-to-school protocols week of July 27, #mshsl board of directors will meet Aug. 4. As of right now, plan is for fall sports practices to begin on schedule Aug. 17. #WearAMaskMN
Iowa, Michigan, North Dakota, Nebraska etc.... Have all green-lighted Fall Sports
Looks like I got all upset over nothing, Fall Sports in MN WILL BE MOVING FORWARD.
Everyone I have been talking to says schools are back and Sports are back just waiting for the formal announcement Monday July 27th.
No worries High School Hockey is back.... REJOYCE and we can shut this thread down!
jg2112 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:13 pmHS hockey has been back for over a month, all these kids are skating again. Whether they play this winter is still open for determination.ClassAGuy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:31 am John Millea @MSHSLjohn
State officials expected to announce back-to-school protocols week of July 27, #mshsl board of directors will meet Aug. 4. As of right now, plan is for fall sports practices to begin on schedule Aug. 17. #WearAMaskMN
Iowa, Michigan, North Dakota, Nebraska etc.... Have all green-lighted Fall Sports
Looks like I got all upset over nothing, Fall Sports in MN WILL BE MOVING FORWARD.
Everyone I have been talking to says schools are back and Sports are back just waiting for the formal announcement Monday July 27th.
No worries High School Hockey is back.... REJOYCE and we can shut this thread down!
I think games with no more than 2 spectators per player is going to be the concession for hockey to happen. Zoom hockey for the rest. COVID combined with the flu is going to make for a nasty winter.
The Exiled One wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:41 pm I think a case could be made to continue activities as usual even if kids aren’t in the classroom.
Think about it: No matter how you try to mitigate the spread in schools, the kids are still in the same building breathing the same air and touching the same doorknobs. If there’s an outbreak in a school, every kid in the school is exposed. However, with sports or other activities, the outbreaks are isolated to just those groups. Spread could conceivably be contained and easily traced.
My kid is doing Summer Training with his HS now as well as a rec league. He’s certainly more at risk now than he would be in the fall (with the possible exception of in person schooling).
Just my thoughts. I hope they don’t cancel hockey, even if they potentially have to do remote learning.
wannagototherink wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:32 pm I think the determining factor will be whether or not the kids are actually back in the buildings for school this year. If there is only distance learning and the kids will not be back in the classroom then there is no reason why they can't have high school sports or any after school activity. Have families sign waivers releasing the ISD/School/Coach, etc from any potential liabilities and go about the prep seasons. If they are back in the buildings, I can't see a reasonable explanation to allow extracurricular activities to continue. If they are back in the buildings it is not about the Athlete's or student's involved in activities. I think they can participate and be accountable for whatever consequences they may or may not encounter. The problem happens when the student who is not involved in extracurriculars, has Type 1 Diabetes and becomes infected by someone who brought it back from a game or meet. In that instance, the school has directly contributed to the spread of the virus to a vulnerable student who has every right to a public education as your hockey player or debate team member. That in my book puts the school at great liability. When you look at the level of quarantine professional sports league are requiring to SAFELY allow for participation, even NCAA Sports. The resources available to isolate and test are incredible for pro and college sports. The cost astronomical. I can't imagine there is a ISD in this state that can afford to test even a fraction of the times necessary to maintain a safe and healthy environment for minor, public school students. If there is one, good luck finding a second to compete against. I think it is more important to the government to get kids into the schools even if it sacrifices sports for a year. As sad as that may be. My heart goes out to the kids that could be denied a season this year. It will be a cluster for what I can only imagine will have to 16U and 18U teams put together by associations. Maybe some before and after teams will stay together but even they will struggle to find AAA showcases to get into at this point. What about ice time? Most rinks are booked to their teeth now with teams practicing and games for youth associations at all hours of the day. I suppose they will have to make due with their current high school schedules and play under USA Hockey. Also sounds like Canada won't be allowing American's in to play this year so now you have probably close to 150-200 American kids that will be taking spots on US Jr rosters, which in turn will squeeze the younger Jr kids back into Midgets. Might be tough for a Minnesota kid to find a spot on a Tier 1 roster if they wait for October to make a decision. It is a mess no doubt.
greybeard58 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 2:35 pm Sports community reading
St. Louis County attributes youth sports as the "primary source" of driving COVID-19 community spread. The rising cases in young people have coincided with the start of summer sports programs. Contact tracers have noted a link to sports participation.
Youth sports a driver of COVID-19 infections in St. Louis area
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/edu ... 18b3b.html
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A Kentucky football team’s workout in a weight room is connected to 36 COVID-19 cases. The governor of Kentucky says he’s worried about sports without masks and social distancing.
Kentucky football team tied to 36 coronavirus cases after workout lacked proper safety measures
https://sportsnaut.com/2020/07/kentucky ... -measures/
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In Northern Nevada, two prominent youth football league organizations jointly announced they're cancelling their 2020 seasons due to COVID-19 risks.
Youth sports: Pop Warner, SYFL football programs cancel fall seasons
https://www.rgj.com/story/sports/2020/0 ... 459101002/
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In Philadelphia, a youth sports coach tested positive for COVID-19. He coached several games during the infectious period while not always maintaining social distancing and wearing a mask. All 12 players and 3 coaches are quarantined for 14 days.
Montco Youth Sports Coach Coached Games, Went to Party While Infected With COVID-19
https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/co ... y/2468901/
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Youth football in Birmingham, AL is canceled for 2020. "We could not see a reasonable way that play could occur while providing the necessary safety measures to protect the many people who could potentially be impacted over a long season.”
Birmingham youth football canceled for 2020 because of pandemic
https://abc3340.com/news/local/birmingh ... f-pandemic
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While current hospitalization counts in Minnesota remain relatively low, “we are likely going to see increases in hospitalizations because of the ripple effect” of younger people becoming infected, Ehresmann said earlier in the week, adding that young adults “don’t live in a vacuum.”
July 17 update on COVID-19 in MN: Nothing 'off the table' as case counts climb
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/07/1 ... id19-in-mn
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The Edina School District says it is aware of about 20 student-athletes who tested positive for COVID-19 over the past week or so. Those athletes were in summer camps, many of which the district doesn’t sponsor.
Edina Mayor Says COVID-19 Cases Increasing Rapidly Among Youth, Urges Cautionhttps://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/07/07/edina-mayor-says-covid-19-cases-increasing-rapidly-among-youth-urges-caution/
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Last week, Edina Mayor Jim Hovland reported that the percentage of the city's coronavirus cases that were people under the age of 25 had gone from 12% to 74%. Hovland said, and MDH confirmed, that many of those cases were traced back to youth sports, house parties and cabin gatherings.
Minnesota's COVID-19 cases among youth are up 550% since May
https://www.kare11.com/article/news/hea ... b435afe834
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Here is what is happening, and what the rest of us need to prepare for: If as a parent you can pay the money for club sports, the seasons have a chance to continue, depending on state regulations.
If you rely on public state funded sports to play the game, the best you can hope for is a delay.
Kids, you can play sports during COVID ... if you have the money
https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/sp ... 77927.html
Also just recently it was reported that 17,000 children under age 18 tested positive for covid which was 31% of those tested
WestMetro wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:20 pmThere is something funny about today’s 900 new cases, 660 of them do not show a county , normally the cases without a county ID is negligible . Wonder if a clarification is coming?
https://www.health.state.mn.us/diseases ... ml#dailyc1
There is something funny about today’s 900 new cases, 660 of them do not show a county , normally the cases without a county ID is negligible . Wonder if a clarification is coming?WestMetro wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:33 am [quote=WestMetro post_id=749495 time=<a href="tel:1595294405">1595294405</a> user_id=22850]
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900 new confirmed infections for yesterday (Sunday, July 19) and one child death, aged between birth and 5 years old.
These aren't the stats I want to see 7 days before Governor Walz presents back to school protocols.
I’ve been on here for 15 years. I can respect that hockey fans come from many different areas in the state and have many different backgrounds when it comes to high school hockey.Hunters1993 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:29 pm The simplest thing we can do to get back in school, the simplest thing we can do to open up and make sure our businesses remain open like they are, and the simplest thing Republicans can do to make sure I don’t have to take executive actions around the pandemic is to wear a mask,” Walz said.
HockeyCrazy1970 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:43 pm This graphic speaks for itself...
Since this is supposed to be about hockey though; NAHL draft was today
HockeyCrazy1970 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:43 pm This graphic speaks for itself...
Since this is supposed to be about hockey though; NAHL draft was today
Start the circus music!HockeyCrazy1970 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:19 pm Old Man (jury still out on wise),
I am honestly and truly sorry for you. I'm sure you believe what you are saying. Therefore you must be very sad and scared for yourself, your loved ones, and the world.
I see manipulated numbers. The deaths are full of "probable" and "died with". I saw the focus starting with deaths, then changed to " infection rates and cases" when the darn death numbers weren't scary enough, now it looks like it changed to "significant illnesses" to keep scaring people. Wow, "26,400,000 will either die or be left with..."
Enough is enough.
I know a bunch of people who have actually tested positive. I know well (people who I have had drinks with and been in their homes pre-covid) 5 families with a member who was diagnosed. In all 5 families only one member tested positive (apparently not very contagious) and that person was basically asymptomatic. They all quarantined in their home, living with a carrier, and nobody else in the family got it. Nobody was ill, and nobody is worse for the wear.
The numbers of people who have this and who have had this are astronomically higher than the graphs represent. Yet they can't find enough deaths. Flat...where is the 3-5 week trailing death spike? Somebody finally stopped filling old folks homes. Do you realize how low the death numbers would be if it weren't for nursing home deaths?
The math is fuzzy and scare tactics keep reinventing themselves to keep the sheep huddled/controlled.
Those with conditions that make them vulnerable/susceptible...hide and protect yourself. It is completely reasonable to be very scared. This thing is serious for you. The rest of us are happy to take care of you. Your behavior should be the same regardless of what the rest of us are doing.
For the VAST majority/rest of us...we have a country to save and hockey to play.