Section 3A (2012-13 Season)

[Section 3A HockeyScout]

After One

Hutch 0

Marshall 0


Heading back into the game will be back after period Two

[bardown27]

1-1 midway through the 2nd

[Section 3A HockeyScout]

After 2 Periods
Hutch 2
Marshall 1

Hutch had all the momentum at the end of the period. Should be a good third period next goal will mean everything!

[Section 3A HockeyScout]

Marshall 3 Hutch 2 OT

Well for all the Marshall Haters and Coudert Haters he and the Tigers are heading to State!!

notTonight eat crow......

BETTMAN They Did it!!

Congrats Marshall!!

[Bettman's Bender]

Well can't ask for much more in a section final. Both teams played solid games. Good goaltending on both ends!

Congrats to Marshall! Give credit where credit is due. You wont ever hear me say Coudert is a good coach but he must be doing something right. First trip ever.

Better get ready for a wooly one against STA Breck Hermantown Haha.

[jeffpv]

Congrats to Marshall! Glad to see someone go apart from New Ulm.

That being said, man, Marshall against STA or Hermantown?
That gives ME nightmares, and I'm nowhere close to the team

[Section 3A HockeyScout]

Marshall will draw STA most likely... Is one of the Sattler boys still on STA Bettman help me out...

It will be ugly but who cares congrats Marshall!!

They lost their coach and best player over the summer. Then lost 3 varsity guys before playoffs. They were written off by almost everyone. They showed up for 3 games and get to head to St Paul

Congrats hope Campion is ready to rock and roll he will get plenty of rubber!

Section 3A Teams hope you had fun the gravy train is over. Mankato's will becoming over next year. West was all underclassman this year went to the 1A Champonship. Mankato West will be a TOP 10 TEN TEAM NEXT YEAR! They will be the favorite by far next year followed by New Ulm and Hutch. Dont Sleep on LITCH!

Marshall now enters elite programs in 3A New Ulm, Hutch, LDC and Marshall the BIG FOUR! Now Add Mankato West to that. New Section will have the BIG 5

Sorry to the rest of the 3A teams but you got no shot. Windom is on the rise with a great Coach the rest just really don't matter.

Next Year Sectional Final Prediction Mankato West vs New Ulm at GAC should be a beauty remember that prediction.

GOOD LUCK TIGER NATION AT THE X!!!!

[notTONIGHT]

Roll tigers roll


P.s. You're such a stand up guy 3A scout

[Section 3A HockeyScout]

Roll tigers roll


P.s. You're such a stand up guy 3A scout

Thanks notTonight

If your Cards can get some coaching next year I could see you guys being a possible 4 or 5 seed. Tough luck this year had the most talent by far. Your coaching was pathetic. As you said in a post earlier this year the Talent gap between u and Marshall was HUGE. Just shows how bad the coaching is down there. Get your program to push for change! Heard your youth has decent things going on.

A new staff with an actual hockey IQ could go a long way.

If no change is made Luverne goes back to being a team no one cares about....

Good Luck Tigers!

The Scarlets are coming The Scarlets are coming!!!

[notTONIGHT]

I hope campion steals one at the x!




3 a.would have cheered for Kendall to give up thirty.

[woodpencil]

Way to go Marshall Tigers. Finally a SW Conference team makes it to state.
Good Luck to the Marshall Boys!!! Better keep that Weiss kid on the bench!


(3a and the other Marshall head have no class - but we will cheer for your players anyway)

[Gretzky9]

Went to the game last night. Congrats to Marshall and nice run by Hutch. 3A section play was really fun and unpredictable this year.

Having said that, the game was one of the most sloppily played games I have seen in a LONG time. Neither team could pass the puck at all. Campion was horrible with rebound control all night, but did manage to make a couple of key glove saves down the stretch.

Marshall will get 10-15 hung on them pretty easy by St. Thomas if they play them and most likely the same from teams like Hermantown, EGF, and Warroad. Great for them to make it and the coaches, players, and fans should enjoy. But, it is going to be REALLY ugly!

[new2coachin]

"Just shows how bad the coaching is down there. Get your program to push for change! Heard your youth has decent things going on.

A new staff with an actual hockey IQ could go a long way.

If no change is made Luverne goes back to being a team no one cares about...."


"Sorry to the rest of the 3A teams but you got no shot. Windom is on the rise with a great Coach the rest just really don't matter."

3AScout, just what is with your disdain for the Luverne coaching & your love affair with the Windom coaching? I pretty well get your point with Luverne, I don't necessarily agree with you, but what's with propping up Windom coaching? Most people I talk to think that last year Windom under performed, this year was where people expected them to be. Just a reminder that last year Windom tied Worthington....& had to come from behind to do it, this year Windom went to OT to beat Worthington after trailing most of the game. Not knocking Windom coaching as I feel they have a good Head Coach but you seem to be putting him on a pedestal.........why?

[BP]

It's time to spilt up 2A.....that section is way too deep. Time to move Delano, Orono, and Mound into this section like the late 90's.

[jeffpv]

"Just shows how bad the coaching is down there. Get your program to push for change! Heard your youth has decent things going on.

A new staff with an actual hockey IQ could go a long way.

If no change is made Luverne goes back to being a team no one cares about...."


"Sorry to the rest of the 3A teams but you got no shot. Windom is on the rise with a great Coach the rest just really don't matter."

3AScout, just what is with your disdain for the Luverne coaching & your love affair with the Windom coaching? I pretty well get your point with Luverne, I don't necessarily agree with you, but what's with propping up Windom coaching? Most people I talk to think that last year Windom under performed, this year was where people expected them to be. Just a reminder that last year Windom tied Worthington....& had to come from behind to do it, this year Windom went to OT to beat Worthington after trailing most of the game. Not knocking Windom coaching as I feel they have a good Head Coach but you seem to be putting him on a pedestal.........why?

Windom's coach is implementing a system. While it might take time for that system to fully realize itself (not only in high school, but throughout the youth ranks), I suspect that a coach who actually values a system will eventually have better gains than a coach who does not (everything else being equal).
As such, I assume that 3A's 'like' for Windom's coach has to do with the fact that he/she can see where said coach is going, as opposed to where Luverne's coach is/is not going. There's a reason we see certain teams doing well every year, and it's not simply based on talent (though that doesn't hurt): It's based on the fact that through the years the players understand the system, from mites up. This is particularly relevant in Class A, as there's more of a tendency for the same kids to stay together for a long time.
So, while the Luvernes and Marshalls have the upper-hand now, in five years or so we may see the emergence of Windom due to real coaching.
(There are some assumptions, of course, such as whether or not the coach stays in Windom and whether or not there are youth coaches who can understand then implement the system.)

[LuverneHockeyAlumni]

First time post found this board the other day many in town been talking about it. Agree with much of what 3ascout says.

I can say as an Alumni of Luverne Hockey many in this town and hockey community are feed up with the coaching or LACK THERE OF coaching at out high school level. The current guys at the top have no idea what they are doing. Most in the program want them out. They ruined a great team this year!

No direction, No discipline, No Systems.... It could go on and on. Losing to Marshall was all on the Coaches did not have the boys ready to play AT ALL.

Hope that we get a coaching change this year after that Debacle!

Anything is better then the current guys we have youth guys that are way better!

Sad to see such a waste of talent.....


Frustrated Luverne Hockey guy!

Good Luck Marshall

[Deck Slide]

First time post found this board the other day many in town been talking about it. Agree with much of what 3ascout says.

I can say as an Alumni of Luverne Hockey many in this town and hockey community are feed up with the coaching or LACK THERE OF coaching at out high school level. The current guys at the top have no idea what they are doing. Most in the program want them out. They ruined a great team this year!

No direction, No discipline, No Systems.... It could go on and on. Losing to Marshall was all on the Coaches did not have the boys ready to play AT ALL.

Hope that we get a coaching change this year after that Debacle!

Anything is better then the current guys we have youth guys that are way better!

Sad to see such a waste of talent.....


Frustrated Luverne Hockey guy!

Good Luck Marshall

Ya gotta put some blame on the kids as well. Coaches can't play the game!!

After watching the Tiger vs. Tiger battle last night couple things i will say

1. Congrats to Marshall! Well deserved. Played hard and never stopped.
2. This years Marshall team is probably the least SKILLED team 3A has sent to the X ever!
3. Hutch had the most skill but they looked really tired. Looked to me like some kids got over used big time!
4. Do Hutch's coaching staff know they have a time out!!
5. Marshall did a nice job blocking shots
6. Hutch never disrupted Campion during the course of the game. No one in front of the net..
7. Marshall on the over hand was very disruptive in front Busse (Sp.?)
8. Campion made key stops! Couple 2 on 1 for Hutch and never cashed in!
9. The game was very sloppy..
10. When is 3A going to get a decent venue for their Section Championship.. Gustavus to me is not a very good venue!!


Really competitive section!! To bad 3A is not competitive with the rest of the State..

[theoldref]

Windom won't be decent within the next 5 years because of the lack of a good youth program. The entire program from mites on up insists on playing 'B' hockey and their coaches don't know anything. When Clark was the coach in Windom the youth coaches wouldn't cooperate with him and the program refused to let him have a JV team. The new coach is having the same problem, although a JV team really wouldn't have been possible this year because of lack of numbers. Windom's problem has never been its high school coaching. Just like Worthington, Fairmont, Redwood, past Luverne programs, and current Marshall programs, what is holding teams like Windom back is the lack of knowledge and skills being passed on to players at the youth levels and the unwillingness of youth coaches to work with the high school coaches. It doesn't matter how good of a high school coach you have if the players the coach receives have never run a proper breakout, power play, penalty kill etc. Congrats to Marshall on making it to state!!

[Section 3A HockeyScout]

Windom won't be decent within the next 5 years because of the lack of a good youth program. The entire program from mites on up insists on playing 'B' hockey and their coaches don't know anything. When Clark was the coach in Windom the youth coaches wouldn't cooperate with him and the program refused to let him have a JV team. The new coach is having the same problem, although a JV team really wouldn't have been possible this year because of lack of numbers. Windom's problem has never been its high school coaching. Just like Worthington, Fairmont, Redwood, past Luverne programs, and current Marshall programs, what is holding teams like Windom back is the lack of knowledge and skills being passed on to players at the youth levels and the unwillingness of youth coaches to work with the high school coaches. It doesn't matter how good of a high school coach you have if the players the coach receives have never run a proper breakout, power play, penalty kill etc. Congrats to Marshall on making it to state!!

Windom has a bright future because they have a coach in place who knows the game. A coach who understands what it takes to get the next level. A coach who played a premier program in Moorhead played Junior A at USHL and played Division One SCSU. The guy gets what it takes to get his team to the next level. He has done a wonderful job with less talented teams. Give this guy the talent Luverne had and the Cardinals would have been in the tournament!

My problem with Luverne is these coaches totally underachieved with the team they had. Coach Ammerman would have never let a group like that underachieve. Luverne had the most talent in the section by far. Coaching was the reason they lost....

My big problem with Luverne is they have better coaches in the youth it seems their teams do much better in the youth. While being around games and talking to parents and hockey guys it seems that many in Luverne are upset with the lack of coaching at the High School level. I have no dog in the race so all I do is express how the community feels. Was told by many LUVERNE people if they had any decent coaching this team would of been to state. That is what they told me.

But looking at the posts above sounds like the Luverne hockey community is spending a lot of time looking this board wants their coaches out as well. So Hopefully that happens.

Good Luck again to Marshall!!!

[TheSiouxSuck]

"Just shows how bad the coaching is down there. Get your program to push for change! Heard your youth has decent things going on.

A new staff with an actual hockey IQ could go a long way.

If no change is made Luverne goes back to being a team no one cares about...."


"Sorry to the rest of the 3A teams but you got no shot. Windom is on the rise with a great Coach the rest just really don't matter."

3AScout, just what is with your disdain for the Luverne coaching & your love affair with the Windom coaching? I pretty well get your point with Luverne, I don't necessarily agree with you, but what's with propping up Windom coaching? Most people I talk to think that last year Windom under performed, this year was where people expected them to be. Just a reminder that last year Windom tied Worthington....& had to come from behind to do it, this year Windom went to OT to beat Worthington after trailing most of the game. Not knocking Windom coaching as I feel they have a good Head Coach but you seem to be putting him on a pedestal.........why?

I'd assume the "love affair" is because all through youth levels Windom gets the crap kicked out of it by other youth teams in the area and then come highschool, they are almost always competitive and despite maybe lacking high end talent(which isnt developed in their dismal youth program); most of the kids play the game the right way.

[theoldref]

Windom has always turned dismal youth teams into decent high school teams. I agree that ammerman has done a good job in windom and i'm not trying to take away from that, but it needs to be mentioned that they could be a lot better if they had a youth program that would work with their head coach. Also if they had some decent youtb coaches, which is the problem with a lot of southwest conference teams. Ammerman has done great in windom, but his predecessor didn't do bad with the hand he was dealt either. Once again, it doesn't matter how good the high school coach is if the players he's receiving barely know the basics, which is a problem in a lot of the programs.

[Chalk_Talk]

I'm not trying to take anything from Ammerman here. Just because you played at a high level doesn't mean you can be a good coach. You may have all the knowledge in the world but if you can't communicate with high school kids you are going no where. There is so much more to coaching hockey than xo. How long did Gretzky coach?

For those of you who remember the Roseau coach Oliver, I believe he had a football background and was a great motivator, he had asst do all the xo stuff.

Again this has nothing against Ammerman,

[TheSiouxSuck]

Windom has always turned dismal youth teams into decent high school teams. I agree that ammerman has done a good job in windom and i'm not trying to take away from that, but it needs to be mentioned that they could be a lot better if they had a youth program that would work with their head coach. Also if they had some decent youtb coaches, which is the problem with a lot of southwest conference teams. Ammerman has done great in windom, but his predecessor didn't do bad with the hand he was dealt either. Once again, it doesn't matter how good the high school coach is if the players he's receiving barely know the basics, which is a problem in a lot of the programs.

That seems to be the problem in so many Southern MN hockey programs. Too many dads who think they get to move up mites-high school and coach their kid and too many associations without any balls to tell him to go pound pavement. 10 years of the same voice?

The reality is many of those associations have worthless board members who's only thought is whats best for their own kid.

[Section 3A HockeyScout]

I agree with most of what is being said. I just think Ammerman is a young coach with a lot of energy and has things at last going in the right direction. I think he will continue to do more with less talent.

That is my main point here is a guy doing a lot with hardly any talent. Then you look at Luverne and those coaches actually made their team worse this year. My main point is we need less of the Luverne coaches who know nothing about hockey and are killing their program and need more young guys from good hockey programs to filter down to this area.

I wish from a wanting SW hockey better perspective that the Luverne clown show on the bench get the boot and they could get a actual head coach who would teach the kids something.

I just feel too many programs in SW MN have terrible coaching like in Luverne.

Then Windom has a guy who is a great young mind but he has no talent to work with.

Ammerman taking the Luverne job would help their program and well The Luverne guys can have Windom because they cant coach anyways so it sounds like they would be a perfect match for the windom youth coaches

[LuverneHockeyAlumni]

I agree with most of what is being said. I just think Ammerman is a young coach with a lot of energy and has things at last going in the right direction. I think he will continue to do more with less talent.

That is my main point here is a guy doing a lot with hardly any talent. Then you look at Luverne and those coaches actually made their team worse this year. My main point is we need less of the Luverne coaches who know nothing about hockey and are killing their program and need more young guys from good hockey programs to filter down to this area.

I wish from a wanting SW hockey better perspective that the Luverne clown show on the bench get the boot and they could get a actual head coach who would teach the kids something.

I just feel too many programs in SW MN have terrible coaching like in Luverne.

Then Windom has a guy who is a great young mind but he has no talent to work with.

Ammerman taking the Luverne job would help their program and well The Luverne guys can have Windom because they cant coach anyways so it sounds like they would be a perfect match for the windom youth coaches

I wish that Luverne could get Ammerman down here. We need some leaedership down here. Our current coaches are TERRIBLE!!! Just being around the rink this week many have said they hope the current guys are done. They totally messed up a great team.

We would die for a good coach in Luverne. The current guys are just not getting it done. Most in Luverne want them out ASAP! I have heard of petition might be going out to have them replaced. However, we will have to see tough to get the right kind of change down in our area because hockey is not priority.

Just wanted to throw out the Windom guys bashing Ammerman be careful what you ask for. You have a good young hockey at least......

Could be worse you could have our coaches!!!



Anyways good luck to Marshall I saw that Apollo made it to state in 6A. I think Marshall could skate with them. Just shows that 3A is not terrible I mean 6A is not that high and mighty.

Just a thought Good Luck Tigers.... Very tough to say being a Die Hard Cardinal Fan.