However the Rouser is the best fight song anywhere - I use to sing it to my kids as a lullaby when I put them to bed.
They thought M-I-N-N-E-S-O-T-A was the alphabet in kindergarten. Know wonder they had to repeat it so many times.
Ski-U-Mah!
North Dakota, NCAA reach out-of-court settlement
Moderators: Mitch Hawker, east hockey, karl(east)
theref wrote:No no no, USC will be okay. They'll just have to change the mascot to a big condom. I'm sure the condom won't mind, especially if USC ever plays a team named the Beavers.
So bad in soooooooooo many ways and there is so many responses that are probably best left unused ----remember to practice safe humor
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haha, just like the trojans will practice safe..........athletics.tomASS wrote:theref wrote:No no no, USC will be okay. They'll just have to change the mascot to a big condom. I'm sure the condom won't mind, especially if USC ever plays a team named the Beavers.
So bad in soooooooooo many ways and there is so many responses that are probably best left unused ----remember to practice safe humor
I THINK the answer is yes.
Gopher Blog, thanks for the sincere and ingenuous response, but I wonder if it may be easier to type that,......"The change of the mascot/nickname for my alma mater would not bother me.",....without a threat of that actually happening. And, what does the "quality of the programs/institution" have to do with changing the nickname?
Regarding the question, if we were as talented as the NCAA administration, and could know what others are thinking (and what is best for them),.....I THINK Gopher Blog's answer (even though it wasn't actually typed) is,....yes,.....that the NCAA should get involved with important issues, like team nicknames.
In the rather wordy response to a very simple question, "quality of the academic institution" and "quality of programs/institution" were brought up,.....issues possibly actually worthy of NCAA involement. Wouldn't the NCAA be better spending their time on graduation rates, athletes actually completing their own work, athletes actually attending class, athletes actually learning. Maybe, they have enough time and resources to tackle both of these issues,.....equally well.
I wonder when the NCAA is going to make their judgments on school colors? Is black appropriate? Actually, I am a little offended about the use of white! Anybody know the NCAA's telephone number?
Regarding the question, if we were as talented as the NCAA administration, and could know what others are thinking (and what is best for them),.....I THINK Gopher Blog's answer (even though it wasn't actually typed) is,....yes,.....that the NCAA should get involved with important issues, like team nicknames.
In the rather wordy response to a very simple question, "quality of the academic institution" and "quality of programs/institution" were brought up,.....issues possibly actually worthy of NCAA involement. Wouldn't the NCAA be better spending their time on graduation rates, athletes actually completing their own work, athletes actually attending class, athletes actually learning. Maybe, they have enough time and resources to tackle both of these issues,.....equally well.
I wonder when the NCAA is going to make their judgments on school colors? Is black appropriate? Actually, I am a little offended about the use of white! Anybody know the NCAA's telephone number?
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Re: I THINK the answer is yes.
Sorry but I can't account for every scenario in the world. I answered what you wanted.Knowlzee wrote:Gopher Blog, thanks for the sincere and ingenuous response, but I wonder if it may be easier to type that,......"The change of the mascot/nickname for my alma mater would not bother me.",....without a threat of that actually happening.
What should matter to a University is not what its mascot/nickname is. What should matter (and what they should focus their time/money on) are issues revolving around the quality of their school and athletics. Wasting time and money on defending a nickname was misguided. No matter what their nickname is, it doesn't diminish from what their school is. That was the point in my remark.And, what does the "quality of the programs/institution" have to do with changing the nickname?
They could have avoided wasting time/money if they just done what they eventually have been resigned to doing anyway.... which is leaving it up to the tribes. But they spent a lot of money/time for nothing. They found out the hard way.... but I guess it is better late than never that they wised up.
When it comes to issues of racial sensitivity in our country, I believe it is better to error on the side of caution.I THINK Gopher Blog's answer (even though it wasn't actually typed) is,....yes,.....that the NCAA should get involved with important issues, like team nicknames.
I am sure the NCAA spends a ton more money and time researching the matters you outline than they do on the mascot issue. Much like any business/institution, I am sure their budget has quite a bit of variety in it.Wouldn't the NCAA be better spending their time on graduation rates, athletes actually completing their own work, athletes actually attending class, athletes actually learning. Maybe, they have enough time and resources to tackle both of these issues,.....equally well.
Final attempt.
Gopher Blog, has failed to answer the question after 3 consecutive posts after he brought it up in post #399.
This is the last attempt to get a simple answer. Should it be the responsibility of the NCAA to monitor, control, or be involved with team nicknames? Without suggestion, implication, or innuendo, does Gopher Blog really believe that it should be the responsibility of the NCAA to control team nicknames,.....yes, or no?
Might the difficulty in specifically answering this question stem from the fact that once actually thought about,.....that it is utterly ridiculous for the NCAA to concern itself with such a detail?
This is the last attempt to get a simple answer. Should it be the responsibility of the NCAA to monitor, control, or be involved with team nicknames? Without suggestion, implication, or innuendo, does Gopher Blog really believe that it should be the responsibility of the NCAA to control team nicknames,.....yes, or no?
Might the difficulty in specifically answering this question stem from the fact that once actually thought about,.....that it is utterly ridiculous for the NCAA to concern itself with such a detail?
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Gopher Blog, I stand corrected, only 1 D1 school has changed their nickname since this latest edict - UL-Monroe
The NCAA has bigger problems, but chooses this one. Not only do they choose it but they don't enforce it across the board. If you get permission from the "tribes" then it's ok, but the tribes don't speak for everyone do they? Then it only goes for Indian nicknames, not the Portland State Vikings - did they get permission from the Norwegian Government? or the Notre Dame Fighting Irish, or the Spartans, Trojans, Dutchmen, Highlanders, Cajuns, or Scots. How about that "Tar Heel" is a derisive term meaning essentially "white trash" why is that ok? Why is a Greek "Warrior" ok but an Indian "Warrior" offensive?
Lastly, why are Aztecs Ok? because they're extinct? They're a Native tribe too.
The NCAA is hypocritical on this, so is the U of M by the way. If they truly were sincere they would forfiet all their games against UND and Illinios, but they're not going to do that.
The NCAA has bigger problems, but chooses this one. Not only do they choose it but they don't enforce it across the board. If you get permission from the "tribes" then it's ok, but the tribes don't speak for everyone do they? Then it only goes for Indian nicknames, not the Portland State Vikings - did they get permission from the Norwegian Government? or the Notre Dame Fighting Irish, or the Spartans, Trojans, Dutchmen, Highlanders, Cajuns, or Scots. How about that "Tar Heel" is a derisive term meaning essentially "white trash" why is that ok? Why is a Greek "Warrior" ok but an Indian "Warrior" offensive?
Lastly, why are Aztecs Ok? because they're extinct? They're a Native tribe too.
The NCAA is hypocritical on this, so is the U of M by the way. If they truly were sincere they would forfiet all their games against UND and Illinios, but they're not going to do that.
Looks like UND lost the first round.
The Standing Rock Sioux Tribe has three years to decide where it stands on the issue of the Fighting Sioux nickname.
But it didn't even take three weeks for tribal officials to firmly state their position.
http://www.bismarcktribune.com/articles ... 142786.txt
The Standing Rock Sioux Tribe has three years to decide where it stands on the issue of the Fighting Sioux nickname.
But it didn't even take three weeks for tribal officials to firmly state their position.
http://www.bismarcktribune.com/articles ... 142786.txt
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Recent article states that in the event of UND not receiving permission to use the nickname they will NOT have to remove ALL Fighting Souix logos to be able to host championship venues. The logos in the marble floors as well as the statue of sitting bull out front would be allowed. Feel free to check out the article...
http://www.uscho.com/news/uwire,men/uid ... moval.html
http://www.uscho.com/news/uwire,men/uid ... moval.html
to hell with that, if you are going to take any of them down then take all of them down. Eventually there will be another fight down the road where certain individuals will take those few signs offensively and then you have another fight...wisconsinprephockey wrote:Recent article states that in the event of UND not receiving permission to use the nickname they will NOT have to remove ALL Fighting Souix logos to be able to host championship venues. The logos in the marble floors as well as the statue of sitting bull out front would be allowed. Feel free to check out the article...
http://www.uscho.com/news/uwire,men/uid ... moval.html
in reality this is still a stupid problem for anyone to have, especially at this level... Get over it and deal with it. I would not be offended if some college, especially one with tradition and a great program, was called the crackers or honkies and their logo was a nerdy white boy with coke bottle glasses and a need for a shopping spree for some clothes happened to be the logo... Just somethin to think about...
I agree in the premise you propose, but there will be a financial agreement within the time frame the settlement allows. Follow the money. The tribes can send all the smoke signals they want to about what they feel the problems to be, but it is all posturing to secure the biggest financial settlement they can. In my opinion, no more, nor no less; the money will make everything honorable and right for the current situation. I guess Ralph didn't realize that he was actually placing a huge bet at the "craps" table.newsguy35 wrote:to hell with that, if you are going to take any of them down then take all of them down. Eventually there will be another fight down the road where certain individuals will take those few signs offensively and then you have another fight...wisconsinprephockey wrote:Recent article states that in the event of UND not receiving permission to use the nickname they will NOT have to remove ALL Fighting Souix logos to be able to host championship venues. The logos in the marble floors as well as the statue of sitting bull out front would be allowed. Feel free to check out the article...
http://www.uscho.com/news/uwire,men/uid ... moval.html
in reality this is still a stupid problem for anyone to have, especially at this level... Get over it and deal with it. I would not be offended if some college, especially one with tradition and a great program, was called the crackers or honkies and their logo was a nerdy white boy with coke bottle glasses and a need for a shopping spree for some clothes happened to be the logo... Just somethin to think about...
Bottom line........it's about the bottom line.
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No real choice, not to sue
After the NCAA became involved, there was no real choice other than the legal system. How can a school, realistically, not be able to host or participate in the post season? It can't,....there was no choice.
Unfortunately, the lawsuit, in effect, legitimized the issue. For at least the past 25 years, the few proponents of the nickname change (political pawns), even with the aid of the media, had been ignored. They had been ignored because it is a silly and insignificant issue, made political. The NCAA has many, much more pressing real issues to solve,......rather than be concerned with the very trivial matter of team nicknames. But, finally, some idiot(s) thought they should get involved with politics, and make it their concern.
UND should have continued to do nothing. They should have applied for all tournaments possible, and accepted the denials,....accepted the denials of teams to play them, etc. This would have continued to expose the political adgenda (tearing down another tradition) and the issue for what it really is,.....an insignificant item blown completely out of proportion. Think about this people,.....it is a sports teams nickname,......when future generations read the history of this,.....are they going to get a good laugh, or what? It's a team nickname. The NCAA has involved themselves in team nicknames. What's next?
P.S. The "Minnesota Rouser". Seems a little angry and violent. Maybe it should be changed. How about the "Minnesota Exciter"?
Unfortunately, the lawsuit, in effect, legitimized the issue. For at least the past 25 years, the few proponents of the nickname change (political pawns), even with the aid of the media, had been ignored. They had been ignored because it is a silly and insignificant issue, made political. The NCAA has many, much more pressing real issues to solve,......rather than be concerned with the very trivial matter of team nicknames. But, finally, some idiot(s) thought they should get involved with politics, and make it their concern.
UND should have continued to do nothing. They should have applied for all tournaments possible, and accepted the denials,....accepted the denials of teams to play them, etc. This would have continued to expose the political adgenda (tearing down another tradition) and the issue for what it really is,.....an insignificant item blown completely out of proportion. Think about this people,.....it is a sports teams nickname,......when future generations read the history of this,.....are they going to get a good laugh, or what? It's a team nickname. The NCAA has involved themselves in team nicknames. What's next?
P.S. The "Minnesota Rouser". Seems a little angry and violent. Maybe it should be changed. How about the "Minnesota Exciter"?
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Re: North Dakota, NCAA reach out-of-court settlement
Simple Solution:wisconsinprephockey wrote:UND and the NCAA have reached an out-of-court settlement on its nickname dispute.
http://www.uscho.com/news/college-hocke ... spute.html
Finally after a couple years it looks as if the NCAA will allow North Dakota to continue using the "Fighting Souix" nickname so long as they can aquire permission from the two Souix tribes in the state.
To make a long story short the NCAA will allow North Dakota to continue honoring the native ancestors of their land. It would have been sad had the NCAA not allowed them to honor the tribes and their own history.
1) Keep the logo.
2) Change the team name slightly (as you did) to "Souix", and refer to them as a "mythical group of folks who liked to wear feathers in their hair and paint their faces."
3) There is no more tie to the Sioux tribe, and therefore no signoff necessary.
4) Break all ties to the Sioux tribe. (funded college programs) After all, that's what they wanted.
5) Tell the NCAA to get a life.
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