A different way to look at Peewee A teams

[frederick61]

Freddy - who do Roseau and Warroad play in the Grand Rapids tournament??

They don't. They are scheduled to play East Grand Forks on the weekend.

[WatchDog'sRight]

Freddy - who do Roseau and Warroad play in the Grand Rapids tournament??

They don't. They are scheduled to play East Grand Forks on the weekend.

I thought they only played each other.

[WatchDog'sRight]

Response to WatchDog'sRight about D16 ratings.

All of the D16 teams are somewhat of a mystery.

It appears it is to you.

I assume part of the reason is the travel times to play competition. But I also think that the Roseau-Warroad rivalry over the years has been so intense that those associations see no need to travel when they have each other to play.

They play each other twice per year in district games. Some years they meet in tournaments - some years they don't.

There is an interesting article in the Fargo Forum this week about the Roseau/Warroad rivalry and about how difficult it has been for Moorhead to establish some sort of competition with either team.

Most people in Roseau consider Moorhead to be a rivalry at least equal to - maybe even bigger than Warroad. The problem is Moorhead is a 6 hour round trip away.

When you take that idea (satisfied playing each other) WHAT?? and add to that the facts that Warroad plays in Roseau’s Tourney; Roseau plays in Warroad’s tourney;

The main reason this is done is to help out each other - it's tough to get enough teams for a tournament when you live at the edge of the earth.

both play in the Bemidji tourney (where only two cities teams will play)
I guess that makes it a poor tourney in your eyes

and that’s the bulk of their tourneys for the year, one can conclude they are comfortable with the current approach.

Would you like us to move the City??

Outside of league games Warroad make trips to Grand Forks, Fargo and Fort Francis. Roseau made its only significant south appearance by going to Moorhead tourney.

Roseau also made a swing thru Hibbing, I'Falls and Grand Rapids. They also make 4 hour round trip drives to district games at EGF, Crookston, and Bemidji.

They played and lost to Grand Rapids 5-1 earlier this month.

My point is both Warroad and Roseau are playing essentially each other and it is hard to judge how they will finish.

Once again, they are only scheduled twice per year.

Currently there are eight peewee A teams playing in D16. Besides Warroad and Roseau; TRF, Crookston, East Grand Forks, Hallock, LOW and Bemidji are playing this year. Latest D16 standings show Warroad, Crookston and TRF ahead of Roseau, but Roseau has played fewer games. The weekend before I posted the ratings, Roseau played in the Moorhead tourney, opened with a 5-1 loss to Maple Grove. I thought that if Roseau was going to be a top team, they would have pushed Maple Grove. They came back to beat a good Anoka team 4-1. But the Anoka has had trouble playing well in tourneys.

So metro area teams can have bad games, but not northern teams?

They then lose to Moorhead in OT 4-3 and beat East Grand Forks 4-0 for a third place finish in the Red Wing tourney.

TRF beat East Grand Forks 3-0 about a week before the Moorhead Tourney.

Watchdog posted this was an upset, but what does he know - he's only been watching these teams for three years.

TRF opened the season in mid-Nov with three loses to Roseau, Warroad and Duluth East most likely right after forming their team.

Isn't that when most northern teams "formed".

They have now won five straight and beat Warroad 6-1 two days before Roseau beat them.

Monday, I posted the ratings Warroad, Roseau and TRF. Tuesday night Roseau beat Warroad 9-2, one day after I posted the ratings. Roseau also plays East Grand Forks again on Sunday (Warroad plays them the day before). Next Monday I will post the ratings again, but to me the next check point for Roseau and Warroad is the Bemidji tourney on the 29th and 30th.

How does it help you rank teams within D16 if they aren't playing the same opponents?

Roseau will play Cloquet (and St. Cloud) in pool play. Cloquet looked good in the Eden Prairie tourney with little or no practice having just formed their team about 10 days before Thanksgiving. St. Cloud is playing tough in D10. Warroad’s draw is Virginia, Grand Forks (which team?) and Keewenaw (Canadian team?). The relative strength of Warroad and Roseau will be tested there.

However there is another interesting test for D16 this week end in the Grand Rapids tourney. A tough eight teams are playing including D16 teams TRF and Bemidji (last years D16/North Region winner). TRF draws Hopkins in the opener. The winner then plays the winner of Grand Rapids/Forest Lake. Grand Rapids won the Moorhead Tourney last week and Forest Lake is currently on top of the D2 standings. In the other bracket, Bemidji plays Coon Rapids who is coming off a 2-1 win over Wayzata. The winner there plays the winner of Sartell and Cloquet. This looks like a great tourney and the D16 teams entered will be tested.

But Roseau and Warroad will not be tested. They are not entered. They play each other.

Looks like Roseau and Warroad have dun ticked off Uncle Fred

[frederick61]

For the week ending 12/16/07

Note that it appears D1 can't send one of their seeds to either D8 or D10. This is reflected below until
North Region
D10-#1-Coon Rapids (Beat Wayzata 2-1, Beat Anoka 3-1 and won the Grand Rapids tourney this week by beating Bemidji 13-0, Cloquet 6-1 and Grand Rapids 4-2 in the championship. This week they are #1 in D10 and in the state)
D10-#2-Elk River (Played Rogers and Cambridge-Isanti, Play St. Cloud and Centennial this week)

D11-#1-Cloquet (beat Hermantown 6-5, beat Sartell, lost to Coon Rapids in Grand Rapids Tourney. Idle this week)
D11-#2-Hermantown (lost to Cloquet, beat Anoka, beat Blaine, and lost to St. Cloud. This week play at Brainerd, Little Falls and Bemidji)
D11-#3-Duluth East (Beat Superior 6-0 in league play. Plays Grand Rapids on Saturday)

D12-#1-Grand Rapids (Beat Hibbing 4-1, beat Forest Lake 6-3, beat Hopkins before losing to Coon Rapids in their own tourney on the weekend. Play Virginia, Greenway, and Duluth East. Their loss to Coon Rapids took the edge off the northern teams accomplishments in the Moorhead tourney)
D12-#2-Hibbing (lost to Grand Rapids 4-1. Play International Falls)
D12-#3-Virginia (played Hibbing and Superior, play Grand Rapids, Duluth Lakers and Eveleth)


East Region
D8-#1-Lakeville South ( Beat Cottege Grove 6-1, Rosemount 4-3 and Rochester-2 4-1, play West St. Paul )
D8-#2-Woodbury (Scrimmaged Roseville and beat Jefferson 6-0. Beat Waterloo Ia 8-3, beat Cottage Grove and Red Wing in the championship game to win the Red Wing Tourney on week end. Play Hastings (twice) and Wayzata)
D8-#3-Eagan (Had tied Lakeville South previous week and beat Lakeville North on Sunday. Play Rosemount)

D3-#1-Wayzata (lost to Coon Rapids 2-1, beat St. Louis Blues Jrs AAA, play Armstrong and Woodbury)
D3-#2-Maple Grove (Beat Hopkins 5-0, Armstrong 5-2 and lost to Edina 5-3, Play Orono)
D3-#3-Hopkins (Lost to Maple Grove, beat TRF and lost to Grand Rapids in Grand Rapids Tourney on the week end, Orono or Armstrong challenging for #3 seed)

D2-#1-Forest Lake (played in Grand Rapids Tourney lost to Grand Rapids, beat TRF 7-3, and Sartell 5-4, play WBL, Roseville)
D2-#2-North St Paul (tied Moundsview 2-2, Play Tartan and Mahtomedi)
D2-#3-WBL (played Roseville, play Mahtomedi, the Bears better watchout for Mustangs)


South Region
D6-#1-Edina (beat Apple Valley 5-3, beat Maple Grove, play Chaska)
D6-#2-Apple Valley (Lost to Edina, lost to Moorhead 4-2, play 95 Fire, Shakopee and Jefferson)
D6- #3-Eden Prairie (beat Chaska 5-1, play Kennedy, Prior Lake. The Eagles are eying a higher perch)

D4-#1-Faribault (Tied New Prague 2-2, in New Ulm Tourney, idle this week)
D4-#2-New Prague (played in Red Wing tourney, lost to Cottage Grove and Waterloo Ia)

D1-#1-Mpls Park (Beat Irondale 4-1, idle this week, looking for a scrimmage?)
D1-#2-Irondale (lost to Mpls Park, idle this week)
D1-#3-Como (Tied Irondale 1-1)


West Region
D5-#1-Mound Westonka (remain on top of D5 standings, play Sartell this week)
D5-#2-Buffalo (had two league games this week, play Hutchinson)

D15-#1-Moorhead (lost to Edina, beat Apple Valley)
D15-#2-Fergus Falls
D15-#3-Little Falls

D16-#1-Roseau (Beat East Grand Forks 6-2, play TRF)
D16-#2-East Grand Forks (How did they do against Warroad?)
D16-#3-TRF (lost to Hopkins and Forest Lake in Grand Rapids tourney, play Roseau)

[Air Force 1]

D16-#1-Roseau (Beat East Grand Forks 6-2, play TRF)
D16-#2-East Grand Forks (How did they do against Warroad?)
D16-#3-TRF (lost to Hopkins and Forest Lake in Grand Rapids tourney, play Roseau)

EGF went up to Warroad and Baudette on Saturday (15 Dec), they beat Warroad 5-3 and LOW 10-2. On Sunday (16 Dec) they played in Roseau and lost 6-3, last goal for Roseau was was an empty netter.

Though not included in your consideration, EGF hosted Crookston Monday evening (17 Dec) and got a 2-1 win.

AF1

[oldtimer64]

For the week ending 12/16/07

Note that it appears D1 can't send one of their seeds to either D8 or D10. This is reflected below until
North Region
D10-#1-Coon Rapids (Beat Wayzata 2-1, Beat Anoka 3-1 and won the Grand Rapids tourney this week by beating Bemidji 13-0, Cloquet 6-1 and Grand Rapids 4-2 in the championship. This week they are #1 in D10 and in the state)
D10-#2-Elk River (Played Rogers and Cambridge-Isanti, Play St. Cloud and Centennial this week)

D11-#1-Cloquet (beat Hermantown 6-5, beat Sartell, lost to Coon Rapids in Grand Rapids Tourney. Idle this week)
D11-#2-Hermantown (lost to Cloquet, beat Anoka, beat Blaine, and lost to St. Cloud. This week play at Brainerd, Little Falls and Bemidji)
D11-#3-Duluth East (Beat Superior 6-0 in league play. Plays Grand Rapids on Saturday)

D12-#1-Grand Rapids (Beat Hibbing 4-1, beat Forest Lake 6-3, beat Hopkins before losing to Coon Rapids in their own tourney on the weekend. Play Virginia, Greenway, and Duluth East. Their loss to Coon Rapids took the edge off the northern teams accomplishments in the Moorhead tourney)
D12-#2-Hibbing (lost to Grand Rapids 4-1. Play International Falls)
D12-#3-Virginia (played Hibbing and Superior, play Grand Rapids, Duluth Lakers and Eveleth)


East Region
D8-#1-Lakeville South ( Beat Cottege Grove 6-1, Rosemount 4-3 and Rochester-2 4-1, play West St. Paul )
D8-#2-Woodbury (Scrimmaged Roseville and beat Jefferson 6-0. Beat Waterloo Ia 8-3, beat Cottage Grove and Red Wing in the championship game to win the Red Wing Tourney on week end. Play Hastings (twice) and Wayzata)
D8-#3-Eagan (Had tied Lakeville South previous week and beat Lakeville North on Sunday. Play Rosemount)

D3-#1-Wayzata (lost to Coon Rapids 2-1, beat St. Louis Blues Jrs AAA, play Armstrong and Woodbury)
D3-#2-Maple Grove (Beat Hopkins 5-0, Armstrong 5-2 and lost to Edina 5-3, Play Orono)
D3-#3-Hopkins (Lost to Maple Grove, beat TRF and lost to Grand Rapids in Grand Rapids Tourney on the week end, Orono or Armstrong challenging for #3 seed)

D2-#1-Forest Lake (played in Grand Rapids Tourney lost to Grand Rapids, beat TRF 7-3, and Sartell 5-4, play WBL, Roseville)
D2-#2-North St Paul (tied Moundsview 2-2, Play Tartan and Mahtomedi)
D2-#3-WBL (played Roseville, play Mahtomedi, the Bears better watchout for Mustangs)


South Region
D6-#1-Edina (beat Apple Valley 5-3, beat Maple Grove, play Chaska)
D6-#2-Apple Valley (Lost to Edina, lost to Moorhead 3-2, play 95 Fire, Shakopee and Jefferson)
D6- #3-Eden Prairie (beat Chaska 5-1, play Kennedy, Prior Lake. The Eagles are eying a higher perch)

D4-#1-Faribault (Tied New Prague 2-2, in New Ulm Tourney, idle this week)
D4-#2-New Prague (played in Red Wing tourney, lost to Cottage Grove and Waterloo Ia)

D1-#1-Mpls Park (Beat Irondale 4-1, idle this week, looking for a scrimmage?)
D1-#2-Irondale (lost to Mpls Park, idle this week)
D1-#3-Como (Tied Irondale 1-1)


West Region
D5-#1-Mound Westonka (remain on top of D5 standings, play Sartell this week)
D5-#2-Buffalo (had two league games this week, play Hutchinson)

D15-#1-Moorhead (lost to Edina, beat Apple Valley)
D15-#2-Fergus Falls
D15-#3-Little Falls

D16-#1-Roseau (Beat East Grand Forks 6-2, play TRF)
D16-#2-East Grand Forks (How did they do against Warroad?)
D16-#3-TRF (lost to Hopkins and Forest Lake in Grand Rapids tourney, play Roseau)

Moorhead has not played Edina, but they did lose to Jefferson 5-2.

[watchdog]

fred- you make little snid comments about the compatition we play up here in the northwoods. have you ever been to roseau? do you realize how far this town is from citiotville? it maybe true that were just not good enough in the north country for the edina,ep.wayzatas of the world that all of the teams in the north just cant cut the mustard. since you seem to have great knowledge on the whos who or the why fors. how has roseau won 7 hs championships? how can that happen after all were just a bunch of loosers up here playing each other in another game of pond hockey? i hear so much about playing good compatition to have a good team but if egf,trf,warroad,gr,low,crookston,moorhead,grand forks,ifalls dont measure up than how in the heck is this all possible? its a real head scratcher! beyond all that its done with the 40 kids that try out for the team! so yeah we'll keep playing trf,egf,warroad and than come down their once a year and prove again and again and again and again and again that all the theories are bunch of bull$%#$!

[elliott70]

fred- you make little snid comments about the compatition we play up here in the northwoods. have you ever been to roseau? do you realize how far this town is from citiotville? it maybe true that were just not good enough in the north country for the edina,ep.wayzatas of the world that all of the teams in the north just cant cut the mustard. since you seem to have great knowledge on the whos who or the why fors. how has roseau won 7 hs championships? how can that happen after all were just a bunch of loosers up here playing each other in another game of pond hockey? i hear so much about playing good compatition to have a good team but if egf,trf,warroad,gr,low,crookston,moorhead,grand forks,ifalls dont measure up than how in the heck is this all possible? its a real head scratcher! beyond all that its done with the 40 kids that try out for the team! so yeah we'll keep playing trf,egf,warroad and than come down their once a year and prove again and again and again and again and again that all the theories are bunch of bull$%#$!

There are so many (not commenting on FRED because I do not know him) new people to hockey without an understanding of the game or its tradition. And, even worse, what it takes to be a champion. There are many that believe its money, numbers and games.

Watchdog knows what it is about, maybe not entirely eloquent, but says it with passion.

[frederick61]

fred- you make little snid comments about the compatition we play up here in the northwoods. have you ever been to roseau? do you realize how far this town is from citiotville? it maybe true that were just not good enough in the north country for the edina,ep.wayzatas of the world that all of the teams in the north just cant cut the mustard. since you seem to have great knowledge on the whos who or the why fors. how has roseau won 7 hs championships? how can that happen after all were just a bunch of loosers up here playing each other in another game of pond hockey? i hear so much about playing good compatition to have a good team but if egf,trf,warroad,gr,low,crookston,moorhead,grand forks,ifalls dont measure up than how in the heck is this all possible? its a real head scratcher! beyond all that its done with the 40 kids that try out for the team! so yeah we'll keep playing trf,egf,warroad and than come down their once a year and prove again and again and again and again and again that all the theories are bunch of bull$%#$!

Watchdog, you miss my point. First, I grew up in the northwoods in a place so remote that the nearest big town was 30 miles away. I watched the Greenways, the Falls, the Eveleth dominate High School hockey in the 50's and 60's. I used to love to go the Region 7 tournament at the Eveleth Arena watch the Range teams take on the Duluth. This was before a Zamboni cleaned ice and there was no glass between the fans and the players, only the end zones were protected by chicken wire.

Those programs have fallen on hard times mostly because the mines have closed. Roseau and Warroad especially now carry that banner, they are thought of the teams from the north. I want them to compete. It is good for the state of Minnesota Hockey. Most kids down here playing on teams look forward to playing a Roseau or Warroad. These programs should not become satisfied and play local.

In the end, it could hurt them and hockey.

[egf hockey1]

I can't believe that I am actually going to agree with watchdog. The cities teams don't seem to realize that us northern teams have 40 kids to chose from to make our teams. This isn't the 40 best kids it is 40 out of the 65 kids total in the school at that age group. That means our northern teams have to develop every player, not just the talented kids to even have a chance to compete (which I feel most of the communities do quite well) I would like to see what Wayzata would do if they pulled 40 - 5 year old kids out of a hat and were told that is what they had to work with for the next 13 years. It makes it a little tougher.

[Nobodyonya]

Elliott...Did you get in on any games in the GR A Peewee tourney this past weekend?

[elliott70]

Elliott...Did you get in on any games in the GR A Peewee tourney this past weekend?

No, I had to work and then to I Falls.

But I had people there that fill me in.

[frederick61]

Elliott...Did you get in on any games in the GR A Peewee tourney this past weekend?

First round winners were Grand Rapids, Hopkins over TRF, Cloquet beat Sartell, and Coon Rapids over Bemidji. Grand Rapids beat Hopkins and Coon Rapids beat Cloquet in the semifinals. Coon Rapids won the championship game.

[elliott70]

fred- you make little snid comments about the compatition we play up here in the northwoods. have you ever been to roseau? do you realize how far this town is from citiotville? it maybe true that were just not good enough in the north country for the edina,ep.wayzatas of the world that all of the teams in the north just cant cut the mustard. since you seem to have great knowledge on the whos who or the why fors. how has roseau won 7 hs championships? how can that happen after all were just a bunch of loosers up here playing each other in another game of pond hockey? i hear so much about playing good compatition to have a good team but if egf,trf,warroad,gr,low,crookston,moorhead,grand forks,ifalls dont measure up than how in the heck is this all possible? its a real head scratcher! beyond all that its done with the 40 kids that try out for the team! so yeah we'll keep playing trf,egf,warroad and than come down their once a year and prove again and again and again and again and again that all the theories are bunch of bull$%#$!

Watchdog, you miss my point. First, I grew up in the northwoods in a place so remote that the nearest big town was 30 miles away. I watched the Greenways, the Falls, the Eveleth dominate High School hockey in the 50's and 60's. I used to love to go the Region 7 tournament at the Eveleth Arena watch the Range teams take on the Duluth. This was before a Zamboni cleaned ice and there was no glass between the fans and the players, only the end zones were protected by chicken wire.

Those programs have fallen on hard times mostly because the mines have closed. Roseau and Warroad especially now carry that banner, they are thought of the teams from the north. I want them to compete. It is good for the state of Minnesota Hockey. Most kids down here playing on teams look forward to playing a Roseau or Warroad. These programs should not become satisfied and play local.

In the end, it could hurt them and hockey.

Watchdogs point is that playing locally has not hurt them (Roseau) as of yet. Second, Roseau to Bemidij is 131 miles, no matter which way you go. And its not freeway miles. And from Bemidji its still 3 1/2 to 4 1/2 hours to the cities. Lots of miles, lots of expense. They do a good job getting competitive games and lots of ice time when at home.

Fred, you may have grown up here, but you have forgotten, the real Minnesota people do not need the cities, for hockey or much of anything else. And that attitude is how the TC people earned the name cidiots.

[frederick61]

I can't believe that I am actually going to agree with watchdog. The cities teams don't seem to realize that us northern teams have 40 kids to chose from to make our teams. This isn't the 40 best kids it is 40 out of the 65 kids total in the school at that age group. That means our northern teams have to develop every player, not just the talented kids to even have a chance to compete (which I feel most of the communities do quite well) I would like to see what Wayzata would do if they pulled 40 - 5 year old kids out of a hat and were told that is what they had to work with for the next 13 years. It makes it a little tougher.

A number of the "city programs" can't get 40 kids to turn out. Most of the kids in the city have no access to inside ice and can only skate outside rinks. All the organized hockey, from the mites up have become too expensive for most parents. If you track association changes, you will see the results of a shinking pool of kids. The successful programs figure out how to survive on less then 40-5 year old kids, even if the kids change associations which they often do "down here"

[WatchDog'sRight]

My point is both Warroad and Roseau are playing essentially each other and it is hard to judge how they will finish.

But Roseau and Warroad will not be tested. They are not entered. They play each other.

Most kids down here playing on teams look forward to playing a Roseau or Warroad. These programs should not become satisfied and play local.

WHAT is with this idiot?? Fred - would you be happier if Roseau and Warroad dropped out of d16 and move to district 6?

You talk like we don't travel. I'd compare odometers to any d6 parent.

[frederick61]

Elliott70 wrote

"Fred, you may have grown up here, but you have forgotten, the real Minnesota people do not need the cities, for hockey or much of anything else. And that attitude is how the TC people earned the name cidiots."

I can understand the independence people have who have lived in more remote areas of Northern Minnesota. They have learned to cope with life in a rural setting, much like I did. When I grew up, I never wanted to go to town. Too many people (all 1500 of them). It grows on you. The ability to survive in the wild.

But I moved down here. And its a good life. I think the 4 million people in the cities are real Minnesota people. Most of them are like me, moved to the cities from small towns to make a life. For some, it didn't work out. They tried to go back. Some could. Some couldn't. Most of them are helpful and will wish you Merry Christmas, even if they don't know you and if you don't know them or where they live or the color of their car.

But what attitude earns them the name "cidiots". That I don't understand.

[fromthecrease]

I sense a lot of anger 'dog'. Without being able to see a team on a regular basis or if at all due to travel and distance, as you have stated, how do you compare or rate them?

In my opinion, next to seeing them the only way to get any idea of where a team is at is to compare them to teams that I have seen and what teams I have seen do against opponents from the North and vice versa. Even if it is a bad game or not, thats how we are able to compare and evalute.

Oh and Elliot70, this real born and raised Minnesotan, whose traveled all over this state in order to experience everything it has to offer, because I love being from Minnesota whether that is Up North or in the Cities, I have just lost my respect for you. We are all Minnesotans no matter what part and all of us on this site love the game of hockey. Or have you forgotten?

[watchdog]

all i was really saying is we play each other up here and it seems to work for us. im not angry at all. ive only let this board get to me one time it was the WISCONSIN COACH on the subject of aaa hockey. that guy really jerked my chain. with my condisending smart a## cocky attitude i just sound pissed off. i actually like freds posts he seems to know alot about most of the teams it tells me he loves hockey and does his homework. as a person of such a type he really needs to know that the compition you play through out the year has only a small impact on the final out come its a proven fact as i have stated. ofcourse i think the teams up north are all quality teams in their own way so its really not a disadvantage. the kids stay sharp here because they know what is out their waiting for them. the term cidiot for me is really the over all attitude of hockey people in the south. i didnt invent the term but whoever did i consider a genius. not all people from the south fit that discription. just like all people from the north dont fit the mold. its like the redneck jokes if you find yourself at a hockey game sorounded by a bunch of people crying for a penalty everytime a kid falls to the ice you might be a cidiot. if you think because a team is from the north and they dont play "any good teams" all year that their gonna suck you might be a cidiot. i could come up with a whole list of that stuff! anyway see you in the trenches. i have to add one more i cant help it if you think your kid is going d1 because hes with the mm program you might be a cidiot...

[skatehardordie]

First, let me say I'm not trying to rile up anybody, but here is a question for which i truly know no answer (please, informed responses are desired; i'm not interested in fueling a regional slugfest with "your mama" posts):

For the past several years, i've noticed that Warroad does not field any of the top youth teams. What happens that allows the high school to do so well?

[fromthecrease]

Watchdog,
I enjoy your comments and candor. What bothers me is it seems that as people (us citiots) who can't pop on down to the North rink and check out whats going on, are ignorant and don't know anything about hockey because we are not from the North or Roseau. If they happen to rate your squad lower, you deem it unfair and spew insults.

For years Roseau has had success at all different levels, but it has come in intervals, just like everybody else in the state. Some years are good some years not so good. For the most part us in citiotville are at least willing to admit when the years aren't quite as good without personal attacks on someone's intelligence. You attack when someone doesn't give you guys any respect because we forget about you, then when someone starts trying to take a look at the teams from up north you attack them because they say something you do not like. Always gotta be the underdog?

My understanding of this thread is to look at the way the Peewee 'A' teams are playing and rate them based on how they will arrive at regions. No more than 3 teams from any one district will advance into regions so after 1st, 2nd, & 3rd it really almost becomes irrelevant. So, it becomes important and interesting to look at the other districts and how they are playing and who is in the top and this changes from year to year and from beginning of season to end. None of it is set in stone. I have been reading this thread to get an idea of what teams are doing in districts I normally don't get a chance to see, ultimately ratings are all based on opinions and all you do is talk about Roseau and rip on anybody who doesn't show them the respect that you feel they deserve.

The north will be represented in regions, just as the south and just as the cities, if this didn't happen I would be disappointed. I love the history and the traditions of the northern teams. I have sat and cheered for Warroad in 88' taking on big bad Edina with ten skaters and going to overtime against a team of 20 skaters. Watching an all north final like Roseau and Grand Rapids still gives me great memories!!! Seeing Burnsville battle back against Grand Rapids and take them to overtime last year still gives chills. Hockey is great in Minnesota because of the history, the heritage, the northern teams playing the south. All those things lead me to wanting more.

How else do you explain city teams going up north to play at the DECC, the Hip, and the Snake Pit more and more every year. This is the state of hockey for a reason!!!!

Thanks,
One Real Minnesotan tried and true

[elliott70]

I sense a lot of anger 'dog'. Without being able to see a team on a regular basis or if at all due to travel and distance, as you have stated, how do you compare or rate them?

In my opinion, next to seeing them the only way to get any idea of where a team is at is to compare them to teams that I have seen and what teams I have seen do against opponents from the North and vice versa. Even if it is a bad game or not, thats how we are able to compare and evalute.

Oh and Elliot70, this real born and raised Minnesotan, whose traveled all over this state in order to experience everything it has to offer, because I love being from Minnesota whether that is Up North or in the Cities, I have just lost my respect for you. We are all Minnesotans no matter what part and all of us on this site love the game of hockey. Or have you forgotten?

With an attitude that we have to drive to the cities to keep our hockey from dying, someone, like watchdog, needs to step up and say something.

I have tons of friends and relatives in the TC area. But there is an attitude toward the outsate. We are not condemning you, we are not saying you are not nice to your neighbors, what we are saying is that you are not better, brighter, cuter or anything else than your 'poor rural neighbors'. Fred's attitude has not been good. When I want to know what Lakeville S bantam B1 team is like, I call someone from Lakeville or nearby that I know.

And, unfortuantely the attitude becomes ingrained in the kids and in other areas of life. Like I said, we have what we need. Good hockey.

And if you have or do not have repsect for someone based on a few lines on a hockey board; without knowing how the lines on my face, how the lack of feelings in my hand came about, well, then so be it. But thats how the term came about. And you know what, its a TC term for themselves. Admitted by people I know. Used to remind them that we are from Minnesota, no better, no worse.

Reread what Fred wrote, then go look in the mirror. Do you get the feeling that a cidiot wrote it? Not consciously (I hope). But you wonder why watchdog feels a little angry?

[frederick61]

Elliott70 wrote “Fred's attitude has not been good. When I want to know what Lakeville S bantam B1 team is like, I call someone from Lakeville or nearby that I know. Reread what Fred wrote, then go look in the mirror. Do you get the feeling that a cidiot wrote it? Not consciously (I hope). But you wonder why watchdog feels a little angry?”

I will coin a phrase for you Elliott-“Ramidiot”. I did not respond to your comments by calling you names or arrogantly stating that the whole Twin City population is not “real Minnesotans”. I did not come up with the term “cidiot”. I did not refer to another thread with distain and say if I want to know that, I will call a friend. You are not everybody who uses this site. You do not know all. I would hope that more reasonable people then you live in the two towns of Warroad and Roseau. If that makes my attitude “not good”, I can look in the mirror and live with that.

Inthecrease was right. You are angry. Yes, I wonder why. It is not normal.

[elliott70]

Elliott70 wrote “Fred's attitude has not been good. When I want to know what Lakeville S bantam B1 team is like, I call someone from Lakeville or nearby that I know. Reread what Fred wrote, then go look in the mirror. Do you get the feeling that a cidiot wrote it? Not consciously (I hope). But you wonder why watchdog feels a little angry?”

I will coin a phrase for you Elliott-“Ramidiot”. I did not respond to your comments by calling you names or arrogantly stating that the whole Twin City population is not “real Minnesotans”. I did not come up with the term “cidiot”. I did not refer to another thread with distain and say if I want to know that, I will call a friend. You are not everybody who uses this site. You do not know all. I would hope that more reasonable people then you live in the two towns of Warroad and Roseau. If that makes my attitude “not good”, I can look in the mirror and live with that.

Inthecrease was right. You are angry. Yes, I wonder why. It is not normal.

I am not from Warroad or Roseau.
I do not claim to know everything.
I did not say you coined the term.
I did not refer to another thread.
If you want to know something why would you not call or believe someone that was telling you wha tthey know about it.
Inthecrease stated watchdog was angry, not me. I ma not angry, I am tryin to make a point to you about what you wrote. Something that was insulting.

I used a bit of twisted pshycology on you and it worked.
You said Roseau should consider playing in the TC area or their hockey may die (a slam to the north competition - even though I do not think you meant it as such). So in return, I excluded you from Minnesota. It upset you. But your comment should not upset the people from the north!!!!

Like I said, re-read what you wrote. But this time put on pair of shoes of the coach from Thief River Falls or the president of the EGF association. Tell me, how would you feel, someone saying that Roseau needed to get to the metro or your program might die? You slammed us...
watchdog fan set up a new profile just to answer you....

I know exactly what you were trying to accomplish on this particular thread... it had nothing to so with starting a rift, but trying to determine what regions may look like, but you started making assumptions and you know what happens when you do that.....

watchdog tried to tell you what D16 was like, with a Roseau slant. I tried to tell you with a mostly unbiased slant.
What I don't get is why you thought you needed to provide advise on how the Roseau (or any northern) program should operate.

Sorry, but you do not seem to understand that if you want to help with the progrqams up here, then move up here. Otherwise, only offer it if asked.

But keep the thread going because the basic premise is fine.

[WatchDog'sRight]

I will coin a phrase for you Elliott-“Ramidiot”. I did not respond to your comments by calling you names or arrogantly stating that the whole Twin City population is not “real Minnesotans”. I did not come up with the term “cidiot”. I did not refer to another thread with distain and say if I want to know that, I will call a friend. You are not everybody who uses this site. You do not know all. I would hope that more reasonable people then you live in the two towns of Warroad and Roseau. If that makes my attitude “not good”, I can look in the mirror and live with that.

Inthecrease was right. You are angry. Yes, I wonder why. It is not normal.

Elliott isn't from Roseau or Warroad. He is the district 16 director and lives in Bemidji. If you knew anything about district 16 you would know this. You have proved your ignorance over and over about district 16. How little do you know about the other districts you rank?