Penalty Leaders why do they get such a bad rap?

[allhoc11]

points PIM Av PIM per game
Lauren Smith 62 54 3.00
Katelyn Dold 41 25 1.39
Monique Weber 38 50 2.78
Kelly Seeler 34 34 1.89
Meagan Brigl 33 32 1.78
Ann Schleper 33 24 1.33
Jessica Laurinaitis 32 56 3.11
Rebecca Kent 30 24 1.33
Sam Scheving 28 22 1.22
Andrea Green 28 60 3.33
359 381 21.17

Valley Eggroll Fast And Furious
Taylor Jenkins 57 12 0.67
Emily Erickson 56 0 0.00
Kacy Ambroz 52 16 0.89
Abby Williams 49 10 0.56
Jill Jacobs 48 18 1.00
Casey McMullen 45 12 0.67
Marlee Wheelhouse 44 14 0.78
Kathryn DelZoppo 39 16 0.89
Rachel Ripley 38 14 0.78
Sara DeSaar 36 12 0.67
464 124 6.89

Looking at the numbers it looks like eggroll would win in points alone.
Not to mention the Freighttrainers would have to play short handed for an additional 14 minutes out of a 51 minute game.

In a playoff situation remember the better refs get those games based on how they were rated by coaches all year. Typically these refs won't call a penalty on a stronger player because the kid she was battling with in the corner fell down, they take skating ability into account. The other part Eggroll's team is a stronger skating team (minus a couple floppers on the list) so Hanson's team will be able to use their size/speed. My money would be on Hanson's team!!!!

[MNHockeyFan]

Between MNHockeyFan's handicapping threads and the girls goon fantasy league there could be a real cottage gambling industry starting up here. Just need to get that offshore betting site enabled

Just trying to "keepitfun", nothing to gain here except maybe some bragging rights.

[hockeya1a]

[Looking at the numbers it looks like eggroll would win in points alone.
Not to mention the Freighttrainers would have to play short handed for an additional 14 minutes out of a 51 minute game.[/quote]

In a playoff situation remember the better refs get those games based on how they were rated by coaches all year. Typically these refs won't call a penalty on a stronger player because the kid she was battling with in the corner fell down, they take skating ability into account. The other part Eggroll's team is a stronger skating team (minus a couple floppers on the list) so Hanson's team will be able to use their size/speed. My money would be on Hanson's team!!!![/quote]

That is all possible, but let’s remember, that there is a good chance that most of these girls have played against the same opponents (sized girls)
and it did not affect them in the same way.

Plus it is hard to score when you are in the box.

[Hansonbrother]

[quote="ValleyAlso, as the playoffs get deeper, the odds of "running over a weaker skater" should not hold true.[/quote]

Correct, and what you'll see is less penalties by my "so-called" players. Aggressive vs. Aggressive means a fast and exciting game. Besides that, I look at the quality of schedule that my so called players play, and points are going to be a much harder factor to obtain. If Green and Seeler got to play some of the teams that some of these high scorers get a regular diet of, their numbers would be out of this world.
In my honest opinion, if these two teams were to square off, you wouldn't see the penalties and this game might be a bit one sided....Freight train

[hockeyheaven]

For talented, hard working players’ penalty minutes like points (goals) increase with the number of shifts played. Given this, at this stage of the season anything over 30 minutes is excessive and puts your team in jeopardy. Just because you’re a talented player doesn’t necessarily mean you’re a smart player. 50+ minutes probably means you’re taking a lot of retaliatory type penalties or you’re getting the big 10 minute burns. Either way it’s not in the best interest of the team, and will contribute to more losses then wins.

[Valley Eggroll]

For lack of a better format, here it is Hanson:
Every team win for a player is worth two points
Every point for the player is worth a point.

This should reward the player who helps the team as well as their individual stats. We'll start with round 1 of the section tournaments and play through the state tournament. As a players team loses, you lose that player. May the best girls win.

Good Luck

[gopher9]

For lack of a better format, here it is Hanson:
Every team win for a player is worth two points
Every point for the player is worth a point.

This should reward the player who helps the team as well as their individual stats. We'll start with round 1 of the section tournaments and play through the state tournament. As a players team loses, you lose that player. May the best girls win.

Good Luck

Valley, I dont know if your just that nieve or you just dont have a clue about hockey? The team that you picked are all very good players dont get me wrong. For one they have so many point because of their strength of schedule. If you put any one of them on a Roesville,Stillwater,EP,Edina, Hillmurray, BSM,Etc.. They wouldn't have half as many points as they do!!! Two, Hansons team has 3 or 4 Defenseman on it and 1 is out for the rest of the year. So why dont we put this subject to rest.

[MNHockeyFan]

Two, Hansons team has 3 or 4 Defenseman on it and 1 is out for the rest of the year.

I assume this the player who suffered a concussion a couple weeks ago? I thought she was supposed to be back before playoffs.

[allhoc11]

For lack of a better format, here it is Hanson:
Every team win for a player is worth two points
Every point for the player is worth a point.

Valley, poor system rewards teams with weaker sections. I'd say team with the most Top 10 Ms Hockey finalists wins.

[Valley Eggroll]

allhoc11, I can live with that. With the original system, strength of section would only last a couple games. The main thing would be the points accumulated through the state tournament. If you didn't get your team to the big show, your done. Just like other fantasy teams run.

For the sake of gopher9, we will use your format with his permission. He was really coming across as a "funsucker".

[gopher9]

Two, Hansons team has 3 or 4 Defenseman on it and 1 is out for the rest of the year.

I assume this the player who suffered a concussion a couple weeks ago? I thought she was supposed to be back before playoffs.

She was supposed to be back for tonight's game but her condition has regressed and it doesn't look like she will be back for the rest of the season. It is tough to lose one of your leading scores this time of the year! Lets all hope she makes a complete recovery so she can move on to the next level!

[allhoc11]

With the original system, strength of section would only last a couple games. The main thing would be the points accumulated through the state tournament. If you didn't get your team to the big show, your done..

I'm sure goph9 doesn't mean to be a "funsucker", I know it's crazy if you don't like the discussion I suppose they could just not click on the thread anymore.

Valley I would dispute that the section/win system only last a couple of games, first in most sections that all you will play 2-3 games. Just looking at the leading scorer off of each list here are their sections they have to get through:

Jenkins:
Albert Lea
Austin
Fairbault
Northfield
Waseca

Smith:
Academy of Holy Angels
Bloomington Jefferson
Chaska
Eden Prairie
Edina
Minnetonka
Prior Lake
Shakopee

I would say there is a big difference in strength of competition when one will have to play Edina or EP if they make it to a second game, and the other...Northfield or Albert Lea would be who they would play in their championship game?

[MNHockeyFan]

She was supposed to be back for tonight's game but her condition has regressed and it doesn't look like she will be back for the rest of the season. It is tough to lose one of your leading scores this time of the year! Lets all hope she makes a complete recovery so she can move on to the next level!

I'm very sorry to learn that her recovery so far hasn't gone as well as planned, and wish her and her family all the best.

[g0g0phs]

I would just like to say cheap players are bad players. There's no reason to have over 15-20 PMs. The kids in the box all the time shouldn't play the game; they are ruining it for everyone else. And personally I agree with Valley's fast and furious team. Hanson's sloppy penalty box team would get killed with all the power plays that team would create for Valley's team.