Sorry I didn't mean to error - the three advancing teams from the bracket did have a distinct GF and GA stats within the bracket compared to other brackets.Media wrote:Crunch were actualy 1- 4and 1 for the weekend 3 of the teams in the championship bracket came out of our bracket.
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14all all41
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How to improve Minnesota?
Recruiters and USA Hockey are looking for the complete package: Academic Excellence + Good Character + Hockey Skills. If you had millions of dollars to invest in elite girls and boys, you would calculate your risks before making selections too.
1.) Academic Excellence.
Get the ACT scores up. The reason scouts do not flock to the International Cup and Junior Fest? Too many Minnesota kids with over-inflated GPA scores and rock-bottom ACT scores. The best way USA Hockey can anticipate who will get into college and stay academically eligible is to look for kids who have the potential for academic success, such as entrance exam scores and siblings who are already succeeding at college.
If you want to dazzle the scouts coming to see the Two Nations League, International Cup, National Development Camp tryouts, Junior Fest, Senior Classic, MGHCA and UMEHL, put together profiles that include entrance scores (PSAT, SAT and ACT). If you really want to knock their socks off, put a minimum standard on participation. Try using the standard Minnesota state colleges use for their general populations. That one move will take care of all the complaints about 8th, 9th and 10th graders playing because they too can take these tests and meet these independent standards.
2.) Good Character.
Too many stories about substance abuse, academic dishonesty and misbehaving kids. So easy to rationalize away. Yet, so critical to USA Hockey. So much of this forum discussion relates to on-ice performance, however, kids are also evaluated for their off-the-ice behavior as well. Parents, high school coaches, and AAA coaches can do something about this.
On a side note, if you want your kid to be able to succeed on a national team, at camp, or away at college, prepare them. They must be able to travel on buses and airplanes, study on their own, manage their time effectively, get along with teammates, and thrive without constant parent supervision and intervention. Yes, there are a lot of Minnesota kids who do succeed away from home. Unfortunately, people outside of Minnesota seem to relish the stories of kids who misbehave at events or run home to Mom and Dad. There is a common perception that Prep school kids have an advantage at handling these challenges.
3.) Hockey Skills.
One size rarely fits all. Look outside your summer high school program for an appropriate option that fits your child’s unique needs. I strongly agree with Melvin44, it is not the hockey skill level that is lacking. Talented D1 and D3 coaches can elevate hockey skills and game knowledge if they perceive the player demonstrates raw potential, a good work ethic, and a good attitude.
4.) Play Nicely With Others.
Years of resentment have built up as Minnesota received a huge percentage of slots at all the national camps and big-name tournaments. The rest of the nation uses the January cutoff, sends boys and girls to the 14U camps, sends teams to national tournaments at several age groups, registers their teams with USA Hockey, provides volunteers for all those activities and plays nicely with others. Minnesota does none of those things. Minnesota worships high school hockey. Confidence in the high school system can often be misinterpreted as arrogance.
The MSHSL and Minnesota Hockey should explore ways to work together. The MSHSL could benefit from Minnesota Hockey’s thorough background screening process and better insurance. Minnesota Hockey could benefit from the MSHSL organizational abilities and tournament coordination.
And, if Minnesota Hockey gets really smart, they will tap into the growing number of prestigious female alumni and turn them into USA Hockey representatives. It is time for a few of the old guard to skip the free trip and steak dinners to make room for more active participation at that level by young women who should be ready to give back to the programs they so generously benefited from.
1.) Academic Excellence.
Get the ACT scores up. The reason scouts do not flock to the International Cup and Junior Fest? Too many Minnesota kids with over-inflated GPA scores and rock-bottom ACT scores. The best way USA Hockey can anticipate who will get into college and stay academically eligible is to look for kids who have the potential for academic success, such as entrance exam scores and siblings who are already succeeding at college.
If you want to dazzle the scouts coming to see the Two Nations League, International Cup, National Development Camp tryouts, Junior Fest, Senior Classic, MGHCA and UMEHL, put together profiles that include entrance scores (PSAT, SAT and ACT). If you really want to knock their socks off, put a minimum standard on participation. Try using the standard Minnesota state colleges use for their general populations. That one move will take care of all the complaints about 8th, 9th and 10th graders playing because they too can take these tests and meet these independent standards.
2.) Good Character.
Too many stories about substance abuse, academic dishonesty and misbehaving kids. So easy to rationalize away. Yet, so critical to USA Hockey. So much of this forum discussion relates to on-ice performance, however, kids are also evaluated for their off-the-ice behavior as well. Parents, high school coaches, and AAA coaches can do something about this.
On a side note, if you want your kid to be able to succeed on a national team, at camp, or away at college, prepare them. They must be able to travel on buses and airplanes, study on their own, manage their time effectively, get along with teammates, and thrive without constant parent supervision and intervention. Yes, there are a lot of Minnesota kids who do succeed away from home. Unfortunately, people outside of Minnesota seem to relish the stories of kids who misbehave at events or run home to Mom and Dad. There is a common perception that Prep school kids have an advantage at handling these challenges.
3.) Hockey Skills.
One size rarely fits all. Look outside your summer high school program for an appropriate option that fits your child’s unique needs. I strongly agree with Melvin44, it is not the hockey skill level that is lacking. Talented D1 and D3 coaches can elevate hockey skills and game knowledge if they perceive the player demonstrates raw potential, a good work ethic, and a good attitude.
4.) Play Nicely With Others.
Years of resentment have built up as Minnesota received a huge percentage of slots at all the national camps and big-name tournaments. The rest of the nation uses the January cutoff, sends boys and girls to the 14U camps, sends teams to national tournaments at several age groups, registers their teams with USA Hockey, provides volunteers for all those activities and plays nicely with others. Minnesota does none of those things. Minnesota worships high school hockey. Confidence in the high school system can often be misinterpreted as arrogance.
The MSHSL and Minnesota Hockey should explore ways to work together. The MSHSL could benefit from Minnesota Hockey’s thorough background screening process and better insurance. Minnesota Hockey could benefit from the MSHSL organizational abilities and tournament coordination.
And, if Minnesota Hockey gets really smart, they will tap into the growing number of prestigious female alumni and turn them into USA Hockey representatives. It is time for a few of the old guard to skip the free trip and steak dinners to make room for more active participation at that level by young women who should be ready to give back to the programs they so generously benefited from.
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finance_gal
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I applaud you, your comments show exactly what I have heard from college coaches all summer. Thae ACT score is Just as important as hockey skills, sometimes more important. My daughter attended the University of Minnesota girls hockey camp this summer, In one of their meetings the academic counselor asked the kids about their grades, fewer than a third of the girls said they get A's and B's and right there the kids told the coaches who has what it takes to play in college.
Another thing I learned from the college coaches this summer, they are looking more at sophomores and Juniors who have had steady improvement year to year than they are at a 8th or 9th graders, one coach told me he has seen to many young kids flame out early or flatline in development to waste his time looking at them.
If you want to put togeather something scouts would be drawn to how about something where the kids are pre qualified for college, old enough to be recruited, and give the coaches watching up to date profiles on the kids including contact info, test scores, a picture and stats. this way a college knows the kid is smart enough to get into school and they won't be waisting time wacthing an 8th grader who may or may not turn out to be something special.
Another thing I learned from the college coaches this summer, they are looking more at sophomores and Juniors who have had steady improvement year to year than they are at a 8th or 9th graders, one coach told me he has seen to many young kids flame out early or flatline in development to waste his time looking at them.
If you want to put togeather something scouts would be drawn to how about something where the kids are pre qualified for college, old enough to be recruited, and give the coaches watching up to date profiles on the kids including contact info, test scores, a picture and stats. this way a college knows the kid is smart enough to get into school and they won't be waisting time wacthing an 8th grader who may or may not turn out to be something special.
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Silent But Deadly
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Re: How to improve Minnesota?
Wow....quite the 4th post. Speaking of which...go read the other 3...equally astonishing!14all all41 wrote:Recruiters and USA Hockey are looking for the complete package: Academic Excellence + Good Character + Hockey Skills. If you had millions of dollars to invest in elite girls and boys, you would calculate your risks before making selections too.
1.) Academic Excellence.
Get the ACT scores up. The reason scouts do not flock to the International Cup and Junior Fest? Too many Minnesota kids with over-inflated GPA scores and rock-bottom ACT scores. The best way USA Hockey can anticipate who will get into college and stay academically eligible is to look for kids who have the potential for academic success, such as entrance exam scores and siblings who are already succeeding at college.
If you want to dazzle the scouts coming to see the Two Nations League, International Cup, National Development Camp tryouts, Junior Fest, Senior Classic, MGHCA and UMEHL, put together profiles that include entrance scores (PSAT, SAT and ACT). If you really want to knock their socks off, put a minimum standard on participation. Try using the standard Minnesota state colleges use for their general populations. That one move will take care of all the complaints about 8th, 9th and 10th graders playing because they too can take these tests and meet these independent standards.
2.) Good Character.
Too many stories about substance abuse, academic dishonesty and misbehaving kids. So easy to rationalize away. Yet, so critical to USA Hockey. So much of this forum discussion relates to on-ice performance, however, kids are also evaluated for their off-the-ice behavior as well. Parents, high school coaches, and AAA coaches can do something about this.
On a side note, if you want your kid to be able to succeed on a national team, at camp, or away at college, prepare them. They must be able to travel on buses and airplanes, study on their own, manage their time effectively, get along with teammates, and thrive without constant parent supervision and intervention. Yes, there are a lot of Minnesota kids who do succeed away from home. Unfortunately, people outside of Minnesota seem to relish the stories of kids who misbehave at events or run home to Mom and Dad. There is a common perception that Prep school kids have an advantage at handling these challenges.
3.) Hockey Skills.
One size rarely fits all. Look outside your summer high school program for an appropriate option that fits your child’s unique needs. I strongly agree with Melvin44, it is not the hockey skill level that is lacking. Talented D1 and D3 coaches can elevate hockey skills and game knowledge if they perceive the player demonstrates raw potential, a good work ethic, and a good attitude.
4.) Play Nicely With Others.
Years of resentment have built up as Minnesota received a huge percentage of slots at all the national camps and big-name tournaments. The rest of the nation uses the January cutoff, sends boys and girls to the 14U camps, sends teams to national tournaments at several age groups, registers their teams with USA Hockey, provides volunteers for all those activities and plays nicely with others. Minnesota does none of those things. Minnesota worships high school hockey. Confidence in the high school system can often be misinterpreted as arrogance.
The MSHSL and Minnesota Hockey should explore ways to work together. The MSHSL could benefit from Minnesota Hockey’s thorough background screening process and better insurance. Minnesota Hockey could benefit from the MSHSL organizational abilities and tournament coordination.
And, if Minnesota Hockey gets really smart, they will tap into the growing number of prestigious female alumni and turn them into USA Hockey representatives. It is time for a few of the old guard to skip the free trip and steak dinners to make room for more active participation at that level by young women who should be ready to give back to the programs they so generously benefited from.
Re: How to improve Minnesota?
Agreed! Well thought out and thought provoking!Silent But Deadly wrote:Wow....quite the 4th post. Speaking of which...go read the other 3...equally astonishing!
Yes, it's about time issues 1, 2, and 4 were highlighted on this forum.
Since my daughter is young and she won't have to worry about college for some time, I was surprised by an e-mail I got a couple weeks ago. It was from the director/head coach of my daughter's STP a week after it ended. I respect his hockey-related opinions over just about anybody, so I was interested in his review of her ability. But that's not what the e-mail was about. The only thing he talked about was to make sure she keeps her academic record up to snuff. He said that although it might be different on the men's side, there's no way a college will fork over anywhere between 50 and 200K to a girl unless her academics are beyond doubt.
Since my daughter is young and she won't have to worry about college for some time, I was surprised by an e-mail I got a couple weeks ago. It was from the director/head coach of my daughter's STP a week after it ended. I respect his hockey-related opinions over just about anybody, so I was interested in his review of her ability. But that's not what the e-mail was about. The only thing he talked about was to make sure she keeps her academic record up to snuff. He said that although it might be different on the men's side, there's no way a college will fork over anywhere between 50 and 200K to a girl unless her academics are beyond doubt.
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Night Train
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There's a story going around that shows the importance of this discussion. Some attending parents can confirm.
I heard that of the 4 Minnesota girls teams that went out to Vermont for the NAHA Tournament that only 1 girl, out of over 70, had a ACT score that would allow any of the 30 colleges in attendance to actively recruit them. Basically, none of our girls are eligible for admission into any of the eastern schools because of insufficient test scores. As the previous posters are stating, academics comes first. The schools aren't taking any chances on hockey skills, no matter how good they are, if their test scores indicate they won't be able to cut it academically.
That's a wake up call. Interestingly, I also heard that a couple of the teams hadn't even prepared the players test scores, player profiles, etc., for sharing with the college recruiters.
Thanks for opening the discussion 14.
I heard that of the 4 Minnesota girls teams that went out to Vermont for the NAHA Tournament that only 1 girl, out of over 70, had a ACT score that would allow any of the 30 colleges in attendance to actively recruit them. Basically, none of our girls are eligible for admission into any of the eastern schools because of insufficient test scores. As the previous posters are stating, academics comes first. The schools aren't taking any chances on hockey skills, no matter how good they are, if their test scores indicate they won't be able to cut it academically.
That's a wake up call. Interestingly, I also heard that a couple of the teams hadn't even prepared the players test scores, player profiles, etc., for sharing with the college recruiters.
Thanks for opening the discussion 14.
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finance_gal
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I heard that it wasn't that there test scores weren't good enough, most of them had no test score available because they either didn't take the test yet or they didn't have the score availableNight Train wrote:There's a story going around that shows the importance of this discussion. Some attending parents can confirm.
I heard that of the 4 Minnesota girls teams that went out to Vermont for the NAHA Tournament that only 1 girl, out of over 70, had a ACT score that would allow any of the 30 colleges in attendance to actively recruit them. Basically, none of our girls are eligible for admission into any of the eastern schools because of insufficient test scores. As the previous posters are stating, academics comes first. The schools aren't taking any chances on hockey skills, no matter how good they are, if their test scores indicate they won't be able to cut it academically.
That's a wake up call. Interestingly, I also heard that a couple of the teams hadn't even prepared the players test scores, player profiles, etc., for sharing with the college recruiters.
Thanks for opening the discussion 14.
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hockeyrube7
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hockeyrube7
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Point is get your grades up, keep your grades up, and study for the ACT/SAT's! Or am I reading that wrong? And that is only one piece of this also. If you look at 14's post, there is a lot that needs to be done, and in my opinion "14" has it right. But this seems me, education should be the first priority, should it not. What is there for any of these girls with out an education.
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Night Train
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And, without hard work on the education piece, hockey is over too.
This was a 16 team tournament. Apparently the 12 non-Minnesota teams had this stuff in order. Each team had a book of player profiles complete with test scores and other personal and academic accomplishments. Selling the entire young woman, not just the hockey player. Maybe that's why they were there as opposed to just being there to play hockey.
Hopefully the organizations that took teams to this important college recruiting tournament this year (Walser, Jr. Whitecaps, Ice Cats and Crunch) will get it right if they return.
As parents we tell our kids that education comes first but I'm not sure enough of them are listening, or, believe us. Some parents think strong hockey will be the path to a college of choice. Wrong, backwards. Strong academics is the path to college opportunities.
This was a 16 team tournament. Apparently the 12 non-Minnesota teams had this stuff in order. Each team had a book of player profiles complete with test scores and other personal and academic accomplishments. Selling the entire young woman, not just the hockey player. Maybe that's why they were there as opposed to just being there to play hockey.
Hopefully the organizations that took teams to this important college recruiting tournament this year (Walser, Jr. Whitecaps, Ice Cats and Crunch) will get it right if they return.
As parents we tell our kids that education comes first but I'm not sure enough of them are listening, or, believe us. Some parents think strong hockey will be the path to a college of choice. Wrong, backwards. Strong academics is the path to college opportunities.
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Stillh2ofan
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Posters are right grades and test scores are big time key.....This is not right info though - I was at tournament and those numbers or the source was incorrect. I don't know all the kids but here is what I do of the ones who were there from discussions last week. Many of these kids are Jrs so will be taking tests this year and don't yet have a score.Night Train wrote:There's a story going around that shows the importance of this discussion. Some attending parents can confirm.
I heard that of the 4 Minnesota girls teams that went out to Vermont for the NAHA Tournament that only 1 girl, out of over 70, had a ACT score that would allow any of the 30 colleges in attendance to actively recruit them. Basically, none of our girls are eligible for admission into any of the eastern schools because of insufficient test scores. As the previous posters are stating, academics comes first. The schools aren't taking any chances on hockey skills, no matter how good they are, if their test scores indicate they won't be able to cut it academically.
That's a wake up call. Interestingly, I also heard that a couple of the teams hadn't even prepared the players test scores, player profiles, etc., for sharing with the college recruiters.
Thanks for opening the discussion 14.
So here were the MN rosters listed at NAHA: If others want to edit in complete info please do so - just listing what I have from handouts at tourney (did not have pass out from IceCats, Crunch or Walser). I listed what I know of these kids on a couple of the teams. I know Walser has a lot of quality kids but some I don't know. I don't really know the Crunch group. If I didn't comment it is only because I really don't know or have not discussed - student/grades or schools pursuing - I am just not familiar with all.
Most of these teams have already made mailings directly to coaches early this summer with complete player profiles and many of these players communicated their background directly to schools they want to attend along with their game schedule at NAHA. Walser had a nice four color piece that they passed out.
MN Icecats
1 Tiana Press G 2011 - top student at BSM as 10th grader probably hasn't taken test
2 Sam Press F 2010 - top student at BSM going to Hotchkiss Prep School out east this year
3 Janessa Haller D 2009 - top player being recruitied by a number of schools NDP
5 Becky Kortum F 2009 - committed to MN NDP (Corrected)
7 Corinne Buie F 2010 - Jr and top student at Edina who was NDP and being recruited/followed by a number of schools
9 Sally Komarek F 2009 - Blake being heavily recruited many out east NDP (Corrected)
11 Lindsay Domass D 2009 - BSM NDP
13 Lisa Martinson D 2009 - SLP committed to SCSU NDP
15 Alex Nelson F 2009 - Andover committed to SCSU NDP
18 Lauren Zrust F 2009 - Blaine being heavily recruited NDP
19 Haylea Schmid F 2009 - St. Francis
20 Callie Dahl F 2009 - Stillwater committed to SCSU NDP
21 Rose Alleva D 2010 - Jr top student at Red Wing NDP who is being recruited/followed by top schools
23 Megan Gilbert F 2009 - NDP
91 Megan Dalbec D 2010 -
22 Mara Sobczak G 2010 -
MN Jr. WhiteCaps
Number Player Position Class School Hometown
7 Gina McDonald F 2010 Irondale New Brighton - Jr. top student many schools recruiting/following - NDP U18 National Team
8 Ellie Gleason D 2010 Edina Edina - Jr top student visited eastern schools last week
9 Jocie Slattery F 2010 Centennial Circle Pines - Jr don't know background
10 Christina LaCombe D 2010 Eden Prairie Eden Prairie - Jr top student visited eastern schols last week
11 Cara Johnson F 2010 Hopkins Hopkins - Jr top student visited eastern schols last week
12 Maggie Pendleton D 2010 Hill Murray Woodbury - Jr top student visited eastern schols last week has schools recruiting/following NDP
14 Erika Wheelhouse D 2009 Crookston Crookston - Sr good student has schools recruitng her but has not announced NDP
16 Bethany Brausen F 2010 Roseville Roseville - Jr good student visited eastern schols last week has schools recruiting/following
17 Jessica Christofferson F 2009 Bemidji Bemidji - Sr will announce top school choice soon NDP
18 Kelsey Romatoski D 2009 Academy of Holy Angels Woodbury - SR outstanding student with many schools pursuing - including best in the east NDP
20 Meghan Lorence F 2011 Irondale New Brighton - 10th grade good student NDP
21 Jess Harren F 2009 Hill Murray Woodbury - Sr top student has not committed looking at Eastern and Midwest schools
22 Ashley Stenerson F 2010 Moorehead Moorehead - Jr good student visted schools out east being recruited/followed
25 Maddie Marcotte D 2010 White Bear White Bear - Jr good student has schools recruiting/following
27 Casey Knajdek D 2009 Hill Murray Woodbury (Did not play injured)
30 Kallie Billadeau G 2010 Hopkins Hopkins - Jr visited top schools out east last week being recruited/followed
33 Kayla Capistrant F 2010 Roseville Roseville - Jr good student being recruited/followed
39 Alexius Schutt G 2009 Thoroughbreds Elk River
Walser - don't know many details on this group
2 Kristen Skoog D
3 Alex DeBoer D
4 Lisa Tuuri F - Stillwater Jr top of her class - has schools following/recruiting
6 Alexa Jacobsen F - Woodbury very good student
7 Mary Kate Rigney F
8 Meg Steinmetz F
9 Michelle Williams F
11 Ange Graske D
12 Amber Ostoff D
14 Casandra Salmen F
15 Jenna Philipczyk F
16 Allison Lorbiecki D
20 Natalie Wedell D
22 Nicole Stumpf F - Sr good student has not committed visted top eastern schools last week
30 Kaitlyn Rolando G - Jr number one in her HS class and being pursued by a number of top schools
MN Crunch - all post grads - don't really know but I know the Crunch is going to help them all on test prep and have them re-take and improve entrance exam scores.
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finance_gal
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Great list!!!! I can see where lots of scores might not be available from Minnesota kids. From the list it appears lots of juniors who would most likely be taking the test this fall, maybe some that didn't need to make test scores available because they already had the interest they were looking for, and a new team like the crunch still working to getting there scores and profiles togeather
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MNHockeyFan
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I think the Night Train is blowing smoke that he picked up in an Eastern arena from one of those creepy arena rats that we all run into now and again.
It's customary to take the ACT/SAT around October of your senior year--why would any of our girls have these available now? And a big chunk of these girls are Juniors and Sophomores. Maybe a lot of the other teams are made up of post-grads, etc., and of course Canadians, or actively push their girls to take the tests early so they can hand out slick flyers.
As joehockey points out, the Minnesota girls always accoutre themselves well in the classroom. Funny, only 38 Minnesotans got DI scholarships last year. I don't remember hearing anything about any extremely talented seniors who didn't get offered a spot playing DI or DIII because of grades or bad test scores.
It's customary to take the ACT/SAT around October of your senior year--why would any of our girls have these available now? And a big chunk of these girls are Juniors and Sophomores. Maybe a lot of the other teams are made up of post-grads, etc., and of course Canadians, or actively push their girls to take the tests early so they can hand out slick flyers.
As joehockey points out, the Minnesota girls always accoutre themselves well in the classroom. Funny, only 38 Minnesotans got DI scholarships last year. I don't remember hearing anything about any extremely talented seniors who didn't get offered a spot playing DI or DIII because of grades or bad test scores.
I think every girl playing hockey has to focus on school and good test scores there is "always room to upgrade". The comment that "only 1 out of 70" was eligible to be considered just wasn't true - could 30-40% of this group go east maybe? I know the Jr. WhiteCaps best and over 50% would meet the scores and grades needed to play at a top eastern school. If Minnesota wants to equal or grow the number of girls advancing to play D1 this past year increasing grades/test scores would be a good step forward....it would open up more options for players.Bensonmum wrote:I think the Night Train is blowing smoke that he picked up in an Eastern arena from one of those creepy arena rats that we all run into now and again.
It's customary to take the ACT/SAT around October of your senior year--why would any of our girls have these available now? And a big chunk of these girls are Juniors and Sophomores. Maybe a lot of the other teams are made up of post-grads, etc., and of course Canadians, or actively push their girls to take the tests early so they can hand out slick flyers.
As joehockey points out, the Minnesota girls always accoutre themselves well in the classroom. Funny, only 38 Minnesotans got DI scholarships last year. I don't remember hearing anything about any extremely talented seniors who didn't get offered a spot playing DI or DIII because of grades or bad test scores.
As for the Crunch academically, Casey Mcmullen was accepted at Gustavus Athena award winner in High school Had a significant Academic presidental Scholarship, Jess Bye Accepted at UND through the clearinghouse Ali Parizek Miss hockey Candiate with education piece built in. Emily Haluska Wisconsin Miss Hockey educational piece built in.
All are currently enrolled in classes and all are doing just fine. MOst all of our girls are top students.
All are currently enrolled in classes and all are doing just fine. MOst all of our girls are top students.
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hockeyrube7
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I hate to say this, but I think the Smoke is blowing from your direction. Not sure who informed you, and maybe some where it might be different, but here the kids generaly start taking the ACT/SAT's anywhere from September on of their Junior year, and can have many retakes over the next two year.Bensonmum wrote:It's customary to take the ACT/SAT around October of your senior year--why would any of our girls have these available now?
You're right, I wasn't thinking in terms of athletes who were being recruited and were planning on re-takes. 'Normal' students I've known take these tests once and do so the fall of senior year--you're not even fully prepared academically to take it until the end of your Junior year--maybe that's why the re-takes are neccessary.hockeyrube7 wrote:I hate to say this, but I think the Smoke is blowing from your direction. Not sure who informed you, and maybe some where it might be different, but here the kids generaly start taking the ACT/SAT's anywhere from September on of their Junior year, and can have many retakes over the next two year.Bensonmum wrote:It's customary to take the ACT/SAT around October of your senior year--why would any of our girls have these available now?
I still don't blame the Minnesota teams in the NAHA tournament for not having brochures with ACT scores. If you look at the rosters many of the players are Juniors and Sophomores.
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hockeywild7
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athlete or not most students do not take these tests at the end of their senior years as that is much too late. Most take them during their Junior year. You can apply to colleges as early as November of your senior year and some colleges start sending letters of acceptance as early as December. If you want to play division I or III hockey you should take the test early as college coaches who talk to coaches about players during the season want to know first if the player is even capable of attending their school so it would be wise to take before you start your senior year of high school.
In regard to putting ACT scores in Brochures are you kidding me, that info is available to any D-1 or D-3 coach throught the player themselves or NCAA clearing house. If you want to put it in print thats up to the individual. In reality other than who the athlete wants to see it its no one elses business. Just something else I dont get 
Interesting results out of the large 40 team tournament in Stoney Creek, Ontario. The Minnesota Crunch was the lone team representing MN. IceCats and Jr. WhiteCaps had both wanted to go but weren't cleared as I understand it. Might be neat to send an All Star team or all 4 teams from the new Elite League next year since the League will be playing earlier and longer next year - it would give a measure of how the MN girls compare and compete.
Some of these teams will be at the SCSU Showdown this weekend (Fri-Sun). Teams I know of playing - SSM U19, SSM U16, MN JR. WhiteCaps, IceCats, WI Wild, Madison Capitals, Balmoral Hall, Ottawa Capitals, Team Illinois...I haven't seen the full field or schedule but know at least these teams are in.
Info from the College Board Thread on Stoney Creek results:
The Big Winner is Bluewater, 2-0 over Chicago Mission in the Final.
Mission knocked of the Aeros in the Semi. Of The Top 16 Teams - 13 were PWHL Teams. Of the Top 8 Teams - 6 are PWHL plus one Quebec and one U.S.(Chicago Mission - with two pretty good U18 USA members Kendall Coyne and UM recruit Bozak).
Ottawa won the B final.
Full Sunday results. Wrap of another great event.
Sunday, September 21, 2008
d GM Time Pad Home Score Visitor Score
A-Quarter 85A 9:30 Red Mississauga 0 Toronto 1
A-Quarter 86A 9:30 Blue Chicago 4 London 2
A-Quarter 87A 9:45 Yellow Bluewater 2 (OT) Limoilou 1
A-Quarter 88A 10:00 Green KW 1 (SO) Cambridge 0
A-Semi 93A 1:30 Red Toronto 1 Chicago 4
A-Semi 94A 1:30 Green Bluewater 3 KW 0
A-Final 97A 5:00 Red Chicago Mission 0 Bluewater 2
B-Quarter 81B 8:00 Red Burlington 3 Nepean 2
B-Quarter 82B 8:00 Blue Brampton 1 Hamilton 3
B-Quarter 83B 8:15 Yellow Ottawa 3 Buffalo 0
B-Quarter 84B 8:30 Green John Abbott 2 (SO) Wyoming 1
B-Semi 89B 11:45 Red Burlington 1 Hamilton 5
B-Semi 92B 12:00 Green Ottawa 4 John Abbott 0
B-Final 95B 3:15 Red Hamilton 2 Ottawa 6
C-Semi 90C 11:00 Blue CYA 1 Rochester 2
C-Semi 91C 11:15 Yellow Vancouver 0 SC MAA 3
C-Final 96C 3:15 Green Rochester 1 SC MAA 2
Some of these teams will be at the SCSU Showdown this weekend (Fri-Sun). Teams I know of playing - SSM U19, SSM U16, MN JR. WhiteCaps, IceCats, WI Wild, Madison Capitals, Balmoral Hall, Ottawa Capitals, Team Illinois...I haven't seen the full field or schedule but know at least these teams are in.
Info from the College Board Thread on Stoney Creek results:
The Big Winner is Bluewater, 2-0 over Chicago Mission in the Final.
Mission knocked of the Aeros in the Semi. Of The Top 16 Teams - 13 were PWHL Teams. Of the Top 8 Teams - 6 are PWHL plus one Quebec and one U.S.(Chicago Mission - with two pretty good U18 USA members Kendall Coyne and UM recruit Bozak).
Ottawa won the B final.
Full Sunday results. Wrap of another great event.
Sunday, September 21, 2008
d GM Time Pad Home Score Visitor Score
A-Quarter 85A 9:30 Red Mississauga 0 Toronto 1
A-Quarter 86A 9:30 Blue Chicago 4 London 2
A-Quarter 87A 9:45 Yellow Bluewater 2 (OT) Limoilou 1
A-Quarter 88A 10:00 Green KW 1 (SO) Cambridge 0
A-Semi 93A 1:30 Red Toronto 1 Chicago 4
A-Semi 94A 1:30 Green Bluewater 3 KW 0
A-Final 97A 5:00 Red Chicago Mission 0 Bluewater 2
B-Quarter 81B 8:00 Red Burlington 3 Nepean 2
B-Quarter 82B 8:00 Blue Brampton 1 Hamilton 3
B-Quarter 83B 8:15 Yellow Ottawa 3 Buffalo 0
B-Quarter 84B 8:30 Green John Abbott 2 (SO) Wyoming 1
B-Semi 89B 11:45 Red Burlington 1 Hamilton 5
B-Semi 92B 12:00 Green Ottawa 4 John Abbott 0
B-Final 95B 3:15 Red Hamilton 2 Ottawa 6
C-Semi 90C 11:00 Blue CYA 1 Rochester 2
C-Semi 91C 11:15 Yellow Vancouver 0 SC MAA 3
C-Final 96C 3:15 Green Rochester 1 SC MAA 2