Minnesota Vikings 2008

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:58 pm

All Spin aside, I really would like to see the film to see if TJack is missing wide open recievers or if he is throwing the ball to the wrong guy or just what.

Bernard Berriman. Is he still on the team?

Have they made the screen pass to AP illegal?

Is it a NFL rule that you cant have your best back, maybe the best in football, in the game on 3rd down?

Why isnt AP in the game on 3rd down?

Lets have another party for Bud Grant.

Can't Never Tried · Post by **Can't Never Tried** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:10 pm

packerboy wrote:All Spin aside, I really would like to see the film to see if TJack is missing wide open recievers or if he is throwing the ball to the wrong guy or just what.

Bernard Berriman. Is he still on the team?

Have they made the screen pass to AP illegal?

Is it a NFL rule that you cant have your best back, maybe the best in football, in the game on 3rd down?

Why isnt AP in the game on 3rd down?

Lets have another party for Bud Grant.

Didn't you watch it the 1st time? you'd need a patriot missile to bring down some of those launches.

And yes he throws in the dirt, and behind them, because he never sets, he always panics and starts running around like Daunte ( I'm worth more Culpepper) did.

TJ is not a poised QB

Allen played good yesterday, and they couldn't run at all against us(except the 2 pt conv.)...But as always our secondary collapses under pressure when it's time to hold a lead . They do get a cookie for 2 INT's though.

The 3rd down issue is that Taylor is a better blocking back, but it doesn't matter if he's never gonna stay in the pocket.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:19 pm

Can't Never Tried wrote:
The 3rd down issue is that Taylor is a better blocking back, but it doesn't matter if he's never gonna stay in the pocket.

Does that make any sense to you?

Nobody would ever hire me to be an offensive coordinator but if you need a back to block then put 2 in the game and send AP out on a pattern and/or throw a screen to him and let Taylor block his little head off.

Or take a WR out and put in a TE to block. The WRs dont do anything anyways and the TE can't catch.

Can't Never Tried · Post by **Can't Never Tried** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:29 pm

packerboy wrote:
Can't Never Tried wrote:
The 3rd down issue is that Taylor is a better blocking back, but it doesn't matter if he's never gonna stay in the pocket.
Does that make any sense to you?

Nobody would ever hire me to be an offensive coordinator but if you need a back to block then put 2 in the game and send AP out on a pattern and/or throw a screen to him and let Taylor block his little head off.

Or take a WR out and put in a TE to block. The WRs dont do anything anyways and the TE can't catch.

C'mon PB do you seriously not know?
You have a back in the back field to keep them honest, or an outlet or screen pass, he also picks up the odd rusher, if you put a full back or line men in the BF you may as well say yeah we're passing (like they can't figure chilly out any way) but that's not the point...

Govs93 · Post by **Govs93** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:00 pm

Brad Childress' approval rating?

5%.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:10 pm

Can't Never Tried wrote:
packerboy wrote:
Can't Never Tried wrote:
The 3rd down issue is that Taylor is a better blocking back, but it doesn't matter if he's never gonna stay in the pocket.
Does that make any sense to you?

Nobody would ever hire me to be an offensive coordinator but if you need a back to block then put 2 in the game and send AP out on a pattern and/or throw a screen to him and let Taylor block his little head off.

Or take a WR out and put in a TE to block. The WRs dont do anything anyways and the TE can't catch.

C'mon PB do you seriously not know?
You have a back in the back field to keep them honest, or an outlet or screen pass, he also picks up the odd rusher, if you put a full back or line men in the BF you may as well say yeah we're passing (like they can't figure chilly out any way) but that's not the point...

I wonder how many 3rd down catches Chuck Foreman had for first downs. I guess blocking wasnt inportant back then.

Govs93 · Post by **Govs93** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:23 pm

Would you slackers kindly hurry up and buy tickets to watch this exciting squad so I can sit home and throw things at my tv? There's a lot of hooplah surrounding them at them moment, so they'll probably go quick.

Thank you.

Can't Never Tried · Post by **Can't Never Tried** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:25 pm

packerboy wrote:
Can't Never Tried wrote:
packerboy wrote: Does that make any sense to you?

Nobody would ever hire me to be an offensive coordinator but if you need a back to block then put 2 in the game and send AP out on a pattern and/or throw a screen to him and let Taylor block his little head off.

Or take a WR out and put in a TE to block. The WRs dont do anything anyways and the TE can't catch.

C'mon PB do you seriously not know?
You have a back in the back field to keep them honest, or an outlet or screen pass, he also picks up the odd rusher, if you put a full back or line men in the BF you may as well say yeah we're passing (like they can't figure chilly out any way) but that's not the point...
I wonder how many 3rd down catches Chuck Foreman had for first downs. I guess blocking wasnt inportant back then.

Ok grumpy

Did you not see the few times they threw flat passes to AP on the outside?? net gain about 3 yards...maybe!! they don't sell the fakes very well so it doesn't work! same with screens.
Now if you want to line him up as a receiver...go for it, maybe he can jump 30 ft in the air too!

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:35 pm

I wonder how many screen passes and othere passses for huge gains Robert Smith had & how many of them were on 3rd down.

I might not know that much about footbal but I'm still thinkin that it could be done.

tomASS · Post by **tomASS** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:44 pm

Govs93 wrote:Brad Childress' approval rating?

5%.

it never sunk that low last year!

BUD BUD BUD BUD

Can't Never Tried · Post by **Can't Never Tried** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:44 pm

packerboy wrote:I wonder how many screen passes and othere passses for huge gains Robert Smith had & how many of them were on 3rd down.

I might not know that much about footbal but I'm still thinkin that it could be done.

I'll just say 12.......... now throw me back in the pond!

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:46 pm

And I suppose when you go 2 for 13 on 3rd down conversions, you pretty much have it down to a science.

Keep Taylor in to block...its workin pretty good.

tomASS · Post by **tomASS** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:48 pm

Can't Never Tried wrote:
packerboy wrote:
Can't Never Tried wrote:

C'mon PB do you seriously not know?
You have a back in the back field to keep them honest, or an outlet or screen pass, he also picks up the odd rusher, if you put a full back or line men in the BF you may as well say yeah we're passing (like they can't figure chilly out any way) but that's not the point...
I wonder how many 3rd down catches Chuck Foreman had for first downs. I guess blocking wasnt inportant back then.
Ok grumpy

Did you not see the few times they threw flat passes to AP on the outside?? net gain about 3 yards...maybe!! they don't sell the fakes very well so it doesn't work! same with screens.
Now if you want to line him up as a receiver...go for it, maybe he can jump 30 ft in the air too!

When a soccer guy can tell what play is coming next, It should frighten everyone in the Twin Cities football community. I would love to play poker against Childress - too many tells! too many tendencies

Can't Never Tried · Post by **Can't Never Tried** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:51 pm

packerboy wrote:And I suppose when you go 2 for 13 on 3rd down conversions, you pretty much have it down to a science.

Keep Taylor in to block...its workin pretty good.

great!
If Jumpin Jackson would stay in the pocket it could happen, 3-5 step drop , then plant your feet and THROW THE BOOFIN BALL ON TARGET..

Quit breaking down your own protection...Next!

Can't Never Tried · Post by **Can't Never Tried** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:52 pm

tomASS wrote:
Can't Never Tried wrote:
packerboy wrote: I wonder how many 3rd down catches Chuck Foreman had for first downs. I guess blocking wasnt inportant back then.
Ok grumpy

Did you not see the few times they threw flat passes to AP on the outside?? net gain about 3 yards...maybe!! they don't sell the fakes very well so it doesn't work! same with screens.
Now if you want to line him up as a receiver...go for it, maybe he can jump 30 ft in the air too!
When a soccer guy can tell what play is coming next, It should frighten everyone in the Twin Cities football community. I would love to play poker against Childress - too many tells! too many tendencies

Real tough he's always bluffing....

Irishmans Shanty · Post by **Irishmans Shanty** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:07 pm

Something tells me that Jackson has never been the best quarterback in his division, conference, county, age group, or league at any level of play yet he is one of 32 people in the world that have ascended to his position. I don't get it, but I don't get a lot of things.

Can't Never Tried · Post by **Can't Never Tried** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:18 pm

Irishmans Shanty wrote:Something tells me that Jackson has never been the best quarterback in his division, conference, county, age group, or league at any level of play yet he is one of 32 people in the world that have ascended to his position. I don't get it, but I don't get a lot of things.

You seem to know your baseball !

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:24 pm

Many such a player has ascended to the position.

The Vikings have had their fair share of both ends of it.

The good thing about TJack is that if he doesnt make it , they didnt waste a high draft choice on him.

Resign Duante.

Govs93 · Post by **Govs93** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:59 pm

Irishmans Shanty wrote:Something tells me that Jackson has never been the best quarterback in his division, conference, county, age group, or league at any level of play yet he is one of 32 people in the world that have ascended to his position. I don't get it, but I don't get a lot of things.

Matt Cassel never played a game at QB in college or the NFL (aside from a couple of minutes of mop-up duty) and yesterday he beat Brett Favre who's played in 259 NFL games and is probably one of the top 5 all time QB's.

It's not the quarterback.

Can't Never Tried · Post by **Can't Never Tried** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:08 pm

Govs93 wrote:
Irishmans Shanty wrote:Something tells me that Jackson has never been the best quarterback in his division, conference, county, age group, or league at any level of play yet he is one of 32 people in the world that have ascended to his position. I don't get it, but I don't get a lot of things.
Matt Cassel never played a game at QB in college or the NFL (aside from a couple of minutes of mop-up duty) and yesterday he beat Brett Favre who's played in 259 NFL games and is probably one of the top 5 all time QB's.

It's not the quarterback.

if you listened to the game yesterday.....they had an earlier interview with Brady... he made the comment in camp "Pretty good ain't he" in reference to Cassel...you don't here anyone one say that about not so lucky # 7

All we can do is hope that we can generate some offensive points.

After all it's only 2 losses ....I mean c'mon have a little faith

Govs93 · Post by **Govs93** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:11 pm

Can't Never Tried wrote:if you listened to the game yesterday.....they had an earlier interview with Brady... he made the comment in camp "Pretty good ain't he" in reference to Cassel...you don't here anyone one say that about not so lucky # 7

I've heard Childress say it!

Can't Never Tried · Post by **Can't Never Tried** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:12 pm

Govs93 wrote:
Can't Never Tried wrote:if you listened to the game yesterday.....they had an earlier interview with Brady... he made the comment in camp "Pretty good ain't he" in reference to Cassel...you don't here anyone one say that about not so lucky # 7
I've heard Childress say it!

Oh for the crissake!

Govs93 · Post by **Govs93** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:30 pm

Can't Never Tried wrote:
Govs93 wrote:
Can't Never Tried wrote:if you listened to the game yesterday.....they had an earlier interview with Brady... he made the comment in camp "Pretty good ain't he" in reference to Cassel...you don't here anyone one say that about not so lucky # 7
I've heard Childress say it!
Oh for the crissake!

Help me out... Do we refer to this as "coming full circle", or "spin"?

Irishmans Shanty · Post by **Irishmans Shanty** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:11 pm

There's one difference between Cassel and Jackson.

Cassel came into the season projected to hold the clipboard and wear a baseball cap just like he did last year and just like they hope he'll do next year.

Jackson came into the season with the franchise attached to his hitch.

Childress or whomever has given Jackson the reigns is smoking, inhaling, injecting something that isn't even legal where people wearing thongs hunt for food with blowguns.

The clock is ticking, the run defense has peaked and asking them to sustain this for the next 18 months isn't reasonable and AP, well.... he's playing a position where he was in his prime yesterday.

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:18 pm

Irishmans Shanty wrote:Childress or whomever has given Jackson the reigns is smoking, inhaling, injecting something that isn't even legal where people wearing thongs hunt for food with blowguns.